News update,
packers can be white, black, native, male or female !

So Phil how many of each have you seen.

I know a few of each, have used them and find, like anyone else, their abilities match their desire. And in a white male dominated profession, those who choose it are typically exceptional!

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Mike, I don't mind shooting them way back in the bush, but I do get tired watching the packers lug all that meat back to camp :-)

See, the Biebs dude has it all dailed in right here.

After the kill shot, the strenuous work of "gutting-n-lugging-out" is a chore best left to the local Eskimos or perhaps those 'Last Alaskan'-types.

Why?

Well, first, these subsistence folks need the cash, not to mention some portion of the eatable meat (should you choose to share any); and second, the locals have likely done such skinning and boning a bazillion times already, and thus will be able to do it quicker and more efficiently than you, a rich white dude from the lower 48.

So, while all this boning and gutting work is taking place, you should be sitting on a log or tree stump taking it all in while you enjoy that double-shot hot toddy your guide has prepared to celebrate a most successful Moose, Elk, Caribou (or whatever) kill.

AJ: newsflash for those who have never hunted AK...packers are young white guys who are doing it to someday become a guide.

Actually they're not, ass-hat.

But coming from an AZ fiction writer, that's no surprise.

See 458Win's post above for truth.

Last time up, I saw a mix of young white guys, First Nation folks, and even some older Heimo Korth-types doing the guttin', bonin', and packin'.

Not the sorta work rich white guys from the lower 48 (like the Biebs) want to get their palms all bloody and smudgy with.

That's what rich guys pay the Big Bucks for.

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by A.J. Hydell:

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Mike, I don't mind shooting them way back in the bush, but I do get tired watching the packers lug all that meat back to camp :-)

See, the Biebs dude has it all dailed in right here.

After the kill shot, the strenuous work of "gutting-n-lugging-out" is a chore best left to the local Eskimos or perhaps those 'Last Alaskan'-types.

Why?

Well, first, these subsistence folks need the cash, not to mention some portion of the eatable meat (should you choose to share any); and second, the locals have likely done such skinning and boning a bazillion times already, and thus will be able to do it quicker and more efficiently than you, a rich white dude from the lower 48.

So, while all this boning and gutting work is taking place, you should be sitting on a log or tree stump taking it all in while you enjoy that double-shot hot toddy your guide has prepared to celebrate a most successful Moose, Elk, Caribou (or whatever) kill.

AJ: newsflash for those who have never hunted AK...packers are young white guys who are doing it to someday become a guide.

Actually they're not, ass-hat.

But coming from an AZ fiction writer, that's no surprise.

See 458Win's post above for truth.

Last time up, I saw a mix of young white guys, First Nation folks, and even some older Heimo Korth-types doing the guttin', bonin', and packin'.

Not the sorta work rich white guys from the lower 48 (like the Biebs) want to get their palms all bloody and smudgy with.

That's what rich guys pay the Big Bucks for.

I can only speak for my experiences; in AK I have never seen a packer that wasn't a young white male. Never seen a pilot that wasn't male; some young, some old. Never had a guide or seen one that is female.

I have been in Kotz quite a bit, Kiana quite a bit, King Salmon a few times, Dillingham, etc. and have never seen a black guy let alone one that is a packer. The only black guys I have seen in AK are in Fairbanks and Anchorage. The only native I have ever had on a hunt up north was a guide in the Yukon, accompanied by another white guide (I was on the last hunt of the season and the only guy in camp).

AJ: rest assured, I post what I see. Nothing is fiction. I didn't post anything about the bear handgun issue because while I have shot brown, griz, and black bears, I have never shot one with a pistol.

I am looking forward to reading more on how much you and Phil agree with each other.

AZ writer, a dozen years ago your assessment might (?) have been accurate but there are plenty of superb pilots, guides and packers of both sexes (maybe all sexes for all I know) , and folks in the guiding industry of all ethnicities

I just realized that I'm a smarter moose hunter than all the rest of you!

My first moose was a big bull out on the AK Peninsula below Port Heiden. That pack was tough as it was just me and my guide, the footing was terrible and I thought I was gonna die when I tripped and got pinned face down in the muck with a hind quarter on my back. So, I got smarter...

My next moose was a Shiras in Wyoming and we were hunting on private land. After I arrowed a nice bull, we got the rancher on the phone and had him bring his tractor with front bucket out to where the bull was laying. He chained the back legs to the bucket, raised it all the way up so we could easily and cleanly gut it, then drove it over to where we had a flat bed pickup, setting the whole moose on the bed. That pack out was much easier.

I'm a quick learner, don't need make those same mistakes twice! Smaller and in a spot where John Deere was the packer. Y'all should be so smart!

My last four where on flat
Ground less than 50 yards from the bed of my truck. I think we shot all of them in tennis shoes. Even the March/November and December ones.
We did however only have white packers. I did however, think I was part black at the time, but I got a ancestry dna kit for Christmas....jefferson apparently is just my last name. Turns out I’m more of a Viking than a hip hop artist.

Yes Jake.... You have very little rhythm and are a terrible singer. But you can carry a pack like a beast!

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