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Has anyone ever used a VersiClimber to train for a sheep hunt? | ||
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Not specifically to train for a sheep hunt, but my gym has two of them. It's a hell of a work out, but tough on my bad knees so I had to stop using it. It's better than a regular stair master, but I don't think it as closely approximates climbing as do the stair masters with the rotating steps. "Beware the man with only one gun; he may know how to use it." | |||
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Larry although I can't find the information on Darrel Holland's website anymore(http://www.hollandguns.com/), at one time he was promoting using the VersaClimber to get in shape, especially for mountain hunts, had personally used it himself with good results and was an advocate. | |||
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Larry; I am finding out that our muscles can take a lot more than our joints can as I get older. I absolutely reccomend a fat tire mountain bike . It will give you as much of a heart exploding work out as you can handle. Great leg strength training and lung expanding breathing. And something an exercise machine can't do . It helps your eye to balance in fapidly changing situations. All that and low to no impact on your knees. I was just riding my Cogburn CB4 in snow Camo , on a froze in snogo trail in the ditch of the highway. " just for fun and to change things up" It's a workout I'll tell ya. With a fatty. You get to breath fresh air, see the sights and not be stuck indoors breathing someone else's used air. Once you get strong as an ox and your knees have come up to the challenge . Then the stair climbers ect can help you fine tune certain parts. The problem with some exercising is it wears out and damages some body parts before it give us the benefit of much better overall conditioning. Or it can do that. Get a grin maker ( fat bike) you'll be glad you did. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Thanks gentlemen. Being from the flatlands at sea level, conditioning for a sheep hunt is of the utmost importance especially considering that I just turned 60. I have exercised hard for many years. I hope I can do it just one more time. A lot of my working out is in the dark. We have no hills. A mountain bike would be difficult. Not to mention one of my friends was in a serious bike incident recently. He is impaired for life. Right now, I am lifting weight with a trainer 3 days a week, doing yoga 2 days a week (my flexibility sucks) and cardio 6 days a week. The cardio is made up of : 1- 3 days of walking with a pack often over mounds on the golf course. 2- Treadmill at various inclines (up to 30 degrees) at various speeds. I want to be as ready as I can. | |||
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Larry, I'm 62 and this year had a left hip resurfacing in July and just had two shredded tendons repaired in my left ankle. Have my sights on a self guided Goat hunt on Kodiak for 2017 just short of age 64. Why would you say "one more"? Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Feet and knees Jim. if they were not giving me so much grief, it might be different. I have already been informed that a total knee replacement is in my future. | |||
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I hear what you are saying Larry I was just trying my best to help you not succumb to self limiting ideology. There's always a way my friend. 1973 - "Enter the Dragon" - "We forge our bodies in the fire of our will" I've never forgotten that, it's just tougher to do as we get older. Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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As you train, there is no training like carry a actual backpack!! Lifting weights, running will help with your recovery and some stamina but nothing makes up for actual backpacking. Find a stadium with some stairs and load up a pack. Going down is harder than going up. Work it out. You will regret the time spent running or lifting weights instead of wearing your pack! but you will NEVER regret time spent working out with your backpack on! | |||
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While not the same as the VersiClimber I have found the Concept2 rowing machine to give a good, whole body workout for me: http://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/model-e Tom | |||
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A BIG +1 ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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The problem is that There are no hills where we live. I have previously trained by climbing small mounds on a golf course. | |||
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I worked my legs by doing the bleachers at a college football stadium. A real leg workout if you have one available. | |||
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Larry: No worries on the replacement(s). I've had both knees done and the key is to do everything and MORE that is recommended for physical therapy. Two months to the day from my last replacement, I walked six miles with the dog. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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same here. 10,000 meters a day does the body good. just post it up in front of my TV and watch an episode of my favorite show and go for it. 40 minutes later you'll be dripping in sweat. very low impact. | |||
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see if any gyms in your area have a Jacobs Ladder. This IS the best workout you will ever get on any machine....and it is not motorized....you set the pace. Check it out. In addition, stick to the weight lifting. It strengthens your bones, muscles and core, all of which are very important to your cause. | |||
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Just to share my own experiences with bad knee's that hopefully all you guys will give some thought to. I was 26 and in fairly decent shape, 6'1" 215. Took a pack and 11 mile hike deer hunting, gained 5000feet. (N trail end up to Capitol Peak, just N of Aspen CO) Aug 1970. Next day my knee's were swelled up big as my butt almost and hurt til I was almost in tears. Ended up walking Re: shuffling back out the third day. Then that very Jan joined the Army and had a hell of a time doing the hikes and runs. I've fought knee pains since. Popping and such the whole time. In Sept '70 I was told I had knee's of an 80 yr old"--at 26???? I had them both 'arthroscoped' to clean up the damaged cartilage and tendons in the mid '90's. IF yours pop, get them scoped: NOW. I was told that's caused by knots squeezing thru the tight spots eating away good tissue and wrecking things much worse. Get to an ortho doc and have them cleaned up before yours are ruined like mine were. For several years up to spring of 2003 I was wearing braces on both knee's and could barely walk much of the time. A fellow I'd never met was coming out from Pa. His wife who was the "head nurse of the state of Pa", sent me six bottles of: Glucosamine pills with the orders: "Take six of these a day and don't argue". Fellows, honest to God, in two months I was out of the braces and mowing my own and next door yards I hadn't been able to in several years. I've been eating these pills daily since. I'm hoping to turn 72 end of Jan. and I'm still on both my own knee's. Over the past 15 years I've had Synvisc (Hyaluric acid) injections to both soon after they start hurting again, 6-10 month intervals. All this stuff is is lubricant. I call it: STP for knee's, a tiny spec on finger tips rubbed together feels much like STP, test it this way. I've gotten maybe a dozen others to try this Glucosamine over the years and not a one said it didn't help them. Sam's Club sells it for about $14/350, get the one with MSM, I've been told not to waste my money on the one's with the Chrondoitan. I don't know why, but, it's over $20 now. All I'm suggesting is; IF you have knee pains, regardless of your age or condition, take 5 a day for 90 days and see if it don't help you. Wouldn't it be worth $35-40 to be free of knee pain? Bobby: since reading your post about knee pains I've been going to tell you about this. Glad I found a discussion, maybe many others will give it a try now. Any of you that do this for 90 days, I'd like very much to hear back YOUR own results as I'm sure several others here would too. Best of luck to all of you. Damn right, I'm a believer in this stuff. George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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"The American College of Rheumatology in their latest osteoarthritis treatment recommendations published in 2012 does not recommend chondroitin or glucosamine for the initial treatment of osteoarthritis . Chondroitin and glucosamine supplements alone or in combination may not work for everyone with osteoarthritis. However, patients who take these supplements and who have seen improvements with them should not stop taking them. Both supplements are safe to take long-term." LINK ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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The ones I take twice daily are a single pill with the Glucosomine, Chondroitan and MSM in it. Walmart has this and it is cheap. I powerlift 4-5 days a week and believe me, that combo pill works wonders. As stated by others, if you have knee issues it is certainly worth the cost. I don't have any knee issues and use this as a prevention effort. Deadlifting over 450, benching 315 and squatting over 400 for reps at age 55....I need all the help I can get.  | |||
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Google Natalie Hansen. She used to workout in our Crossfit Box and then entered her first sanctioned power lifting meet here in Alaska as a junior having never even trained as a power lifter. She set three national records. She stopped Crossfit and solely trains power lifting now. She just took 4 the in the Worlds in Luxembourg a short three years after that first chance meet up here. RESPECT!! ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Strong woman for sure..in both strength and willpower. I don't compete and do it just to stay fit/strong and my stats are for reps and w/o "equipment" such as a bench shirt, squatting shorts or knee wraps....which makes quite a difference in the weight you can handle while wearing them. She does use equipment, however she is not using "gear"(drugs) and neither am I. Refreshing to see this too as so many young people think the gear is worth the risk..it is not. I hope she stays with it as there are rewards once you become the top dog in this competition such as a paid spokesperson for a variety of nutrition and supplement companies. six figure contracts are not uncommon. | |||
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I know Nat fairly well. I'm confident her focus right now is still on the "Gainz". She simpley wants to consistantly improve. I believe she lifts both RAW and Equipped. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Dunno anything about that machine. Looks interesting as does the new Nordic machine being advertised. I've found the easiest thing on my knees has been an elliptical, I just change the settings for more vertical and less horizontal movement. And it is very easy on the knees. I also have a Concept 2 rower which is neat. IMO rowing is the best thing for your back. I grew up on a river and had a skull, which I rowed every night for 30 min. There is no doubt I my mind that is the reason I don't have back problems despite carrying an extra 100# in front of my spine and my discs were those of a teenager the last time I had an MRI years ago, when I was in my 40s. FWIW I take the Osteobiflex combo as a preventative medicine, along 10 other vitamins/fish oil/ginkoba BS. Gonna save the bleachers for the summer though. There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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Larry- Having spent my entire life at Sea level, I feel your pain. It sounds like you're on the right track as far as general fitness goes, you may want to see if you can do the stairs at one of the big buildings downtown (I.e., Suntrust) one day per week as your hunt approaches. When I lived in Tallahassee, I used the stairs on the 22-floor Capitol building to train for some hunts in sheep-looking country. I did an hour per week (wearing my hunting boots) in addition to my other workouts and it seemed to really help. A great resource for the science of mountain fitness is "Training for the New Alpinism" by Steve House. I'm reading it now and it's fantastic. Lastly- don't burn yourself out just before your hunt, We get stronger during rest/recovery, not during intense training. Don't overtrain and don't get yourself hurt. | |||
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G'Day Fella's, I might live in a reasonably flat country but with New Zealand's (NZ) Southern Alps just a 3 hour flight away, a fella know how to get and keep fit! The best advice I ever received on how to get fit for NZ, was from NZ hunting guide, Mr Peter Chamberlain, and it is pretty basic; "Get yourself a bicycle, and train daily"!!! I've heard others describe that you need "Legs and Lungs" for alpine and other seriously tough hunting country. I believe that sums it up pretty well!!! Hope that helps Doh! Homer Lick the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity Just Once and You Will Suck For Life! | |||
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I was lucky and never had to train for a sheep hunt, then mother nature kicked my butt, so I quite hunting sheep and goats. Don't let that happen to you,its a bitch fighting mother nature, sooner or later she always wins but only you can prolong it..I lasted with exercise until about 60 or so. At 81 now with a little copd and a couple of stints in the ticker, I am still exercising and hunting deer, elk and maybe one more trip to Africa in the future, maybe not..but I feel lucky as hell, its been a hell of a ride. My adise would be to keep in mind when you skip a day of exercise, it takes 5 days of exercise to catch up according to my lung doc, and believe it! If you intend to hunt exercise every day of your life. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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