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My fellow Alaskans, you may never plan on hunting an African Elephant but don't think USF&W's recent ban on Elephant imports from Zimbabwe and Tanzania is potentially the only anti-hunting move this unregulated Federal Agency will institute.

I've written to my two Senators and one Representative and I think you as Alaskans need to see the differences in the responses. Keep in mind my communication with them solely addressed the import ban and how removing those hunters dollars will actually lead to a decline in the African Elephant population.

Senator Begich

Dear Friend,

Your message has been received.

Thank you for writing,

Senator Mark Begich

Senator Murkowski

Dear James:

Thank you for contacting me about wildlife trafficking. I appreciate hearing from you and having the opportunity to respond.

I respect and enjoy the outdoors and nature and believe we must be responsible for protecting our wildlife as well as our pets. There is no doubt that protecting the rights of animals is extremely important, and Congress must continue to work toward that goal.

Should the Senate consider legislation regarding this issue, I will keep your comments in mind. Again, thank you for contacting me.



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Lisa Murkowski



Representative Don Young


Dear Mr. Wojciehowski,

Thank you for contacting me regarding U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's (FWS) restrictions on all sport-hunted elephant importations from Tanzania and Zimbabwe. I appreciate you taking the time to share your concerns with me.

On March 4, 2014, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) announced that all sport-hunted elephant importations from Tanzania and Zimbabwe would be suspended in 2014. This decision took many by surprise, and is troubling for many reasons. First, the FWS does not have a scientific basis for this decision, and they cite "anecdotal evidence" in their release announcing the decision. Also, this decision will affect the livelihoods of many Africans and could also severely damage anti-poaching efforts in these countries.

Similarly to the U.S., hunters in Africa are the primary financial backers of wildlife management through the myriad of fees paid to hunt these animals. For example, in Zimbabwe alone, the user fees of hunters contribute up to 90% of the revenue that funds the Zimbabwean Department of National Parks and Wildlife Management. If U.S hunters are unable to import their trophies, there is no incentive for these hunters to travel to these nations and the support they provide the economy and wildlife management will go unrealized.

In the coming months, I will continue to pressure the FWS to rescind this decision and I will work with my colleagues on the House Natural Resources Committee to find out where this decision originated and why it was made.

Once again, thank you for expressing your views on this issue. If you haven't already, I would encourage you to sign up for my e-newsletter at http://donyoung.house.gov/Forms/EmailSignup/and my YouTube channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/RepDonYoung. Doing so will allow me to provide you with updates on this and other important issues. If I can be of any assistance in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Sincerely,

DON YOUNG
Congressman for All Alaska


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WOW that's incredible I guess she told you where she stands

So much said with so FEW words....
 
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I sent a ink to this thread to Senators Begich & Murkowski, as well as Representative Young.

Already got this timely response from Senator Begich...

Dear Friend,

Your message has been received.

Thank you for writing,

Senator Mark Begich


I sent all three the link in order for them to see the difference in representation these responses indicate.

Hopefully Senator Begich will be gone in the next election and at this point Senator Murkowski (or her staff) has shown the African Elephant situation to be an "animal trafficking" issue.

Representative Young (or his staff) actually demonstrated an ability to read an email for content and to reply intelligently with a plan.

Well done Representative Young. Find a way to defund the USF&W so they have more things to worry about such as their own jobs.


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Jim,

I got similar responses from my folks here in Wyoming. Pretty disappointing from politicians working for the people of such rural states!

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I think Murkowski is a little worried about RINOs having a tough time..
 
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I think Murkowski is a little worried about RINOs having a tough time..


Hopefully she will have something to worry about next election cycle. It would be bad enough not to get the "auto reply" I got from "hopefully soon to be gone Begich" but I think it is even worse to read her reply with the animal rights, animal trafficking, and pets drivel. Obviously her minion has poor comprehension skills when hitting the "boiler plate" reply button.


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When I call Murkowski's or Begich's Office, I usually get the run around or hung up on. I never have to call Don Young's Office, I know how he thinks. I hear Donny has all his mounts in his office in D.C.

Begich will be history this fall, and ya just got to put up with LIsa. Eventually she will screw up and be tossed out too.
 
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There is an estimated $10 billion per year illegal international trade in ivory. Despite efforts to stem poaching, it's still rampant. In September 2013, at least 325 elephants were poisoned at waterholes with cyanide in Hwange National Park, Zimbabwe by poachers. The park is 5660 square miles and authorities say they need 10 times the number of rangers to curb poaching. The current rates of harvest, both legal and illegal, are unsustainable. Unfortunately, American hunters get caught up in a situation where despite strong efforts, poaching is still killing large numbers of elephants inside and outside the parks. Revenues from legal hunting have helped stem poaching but not nearly enough. As long as there is an international market and high ivory prices, legal hunting will be restricted.
 
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There is an estimated $10 billion per year illegal international trade in ivory . Despite efforts to stem poaching, it's still rampant. In September 2013, at least 325 elephants were poisoned at waterholes with cyanide in Hwange National Park, Zimbabwe by poachers. The park is 5660 square miles and authorities say they need 10 times the number of rangers to curb poaching. The current rates of harvest, both legal and illegal, are unsustainable. Unfortunately, American hunters get caught up in a situation where despite strong efforts, poaching is still killing large numbers of elephants inside and outside the parks. Revenues from legal hunting have helped stem poaching but not nearly enough. As long as there is an international market and high ivory prices, legal hunting will be restricted.


What is the source of your information and is it accurate?

RON THOMSON'S LETTER TO THE US FISH & WILDLIFE SERVICE

DATE: 12 APRIL 2014
P.O. Box 452
Kenton-on-Sea 6191
South Africa
Email: magron@ripplesoft.co.za
Website: www.ronthomsonshuntingbooks.co.za

To: Mr. Gavin Shire,
US Fish & Wildlife Service

Dear Mr. Shire,

I wish to respond to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service’s recent suspension of the importation (to the U.S.A.) of sport-hunted African elephant trophies taken in Tanzania and Zimbabwe during the calendar year 2014. I trust that the following report will give you a genuine insight into the REAL circumstances of Zimbabwe’s (and south central Africa’s) elephant populations.
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REPORT

A GENERAL OVERVIEW ON ZIMBABWE’S ELEPHANT POPULATIONS AND THE CONDITIONS OF THE HABITATS THAT SUPPORT THEM

First of all, I must introduce myself.

My name is Ron Thomson. I am a 75-year-old ex-game Warden from Rhodesia & Zimbabwe. I served in the Rhodesian and then Zimbabwean, Department of National Parks and Wildlife Management for 24 years (1959 to 1983). Not only was I an active field officer in the department, I was also a Member of the British Institute of Biology (London) & Chartered Biologist for European Union (for c.20 years). If you investigate my history, you will discover that I have had a very distinguished career – and that I have extensive big game hunting, management and capture experience in Africa.

For the last 25 years I have been - and continue to be - a wildlife journalist in South Africa specialising in writing books and magazine articles about many wildlife subjects - including and particularly ‘the principles and practices of wildlife management’. You might say, therefore, that I have been ‘in the job’ for 55 years.

I know the 5000 square mile Hwange National Park in Zimbabwe very well. I served three years in the park as a young game ranger (1960 to 1964). At that time (1960) there were only 3500 elephants in the national park (physically counted). They were then already demolishing their habitat & in the process they were eliminating various tree species - notably the Mukwa (Pterocarpus angolensis); and others. Many of those tree species are now locally extinct.

At that time it was determined the park should carry no more than 2500 elephants (one elephant per two square miles); and I was one of two young game rangers who were tasked with making the necessary population reductions. In those days there was no hunting (or culling) allowed inside the national park, so we were required to find and to destroy all elephants that left the park and that were living (seasonally and temporarily) in the Ndebele Tribal Trust Lands outside the park boundaries. The meat then went to the local people. I carried out this elephant population reduction – in addition to my normal game ranging duties – for three years (1961, 62 & 63).

Proper elephant culling commenced inside the national park in 1965 – where after (until 1987) 300 to 500 elephants were taken off every year. It was not enough.
Hwange (called ‘Wankie’ in those days) was the love of my life and throughout my career in national Parks I paid close attention to what was going on in Hwange vis-a-vis the elephant management situation. From the beginning of 1964, I was absent from Hwange – except for occasional visits – for 18 years.

During my period of absence from Hwange, I hunted and killed several thousand elephants (over a period of 5 years) in the Binga district of the Middle Zambezi Valley:

(1) In protection of the Batonka people’s crops (The Batonka were refugees from the Lake Kariba basin);

(2) to feed the Batonka people (after Lake Kariba filled to capacity for the first time in 1963); and

(3) to eliminate elephants (and buffalo) in the Sebungwe Tsetse Fly Corridors (This to stop the spread of tsetse flies into the country’s commercial Highveld farming areas).

In 1971/72, I was lead hunter, and commander of the operation, when we reduced the elephant population in the Gonarezhou National Park by 2,500 animals.
So although I was ‘away’ from Hwange for 18 years, therefore, I was still very actively involved in elephant management work within Zimbabwe.

I returned to Hwange in 1981 as the Provincial Game Warden-in-charge of the national park.

There were 23,000 elephants in the Hwange in 1981. This was because - for many years during the 1970s - the department’s expert ‘culling team’ was unable to keep up with the numbers that had to be removed. The last elephant culling exercise in Hwange took place in 1987. The reason for the culling team not being able to keep up with the culling task in Hwange was because it was also responsible of culling elephants in every other major national park in the country. And, in the late 1980s the unit became totally occupied in catching, and translocating, the surviving black rhinos in the lower Zambezi Valley where Zambian poachers were heavily poaching them.

So, a new and very arbitrary elephant management target was determined for Hwange – one that was thought might be attainable. The new idea was to reduce the elephant numbers in Hwange from 23,000 to 14,600 (one elephant be square kilometre). (c. 5 000 square miles = c. 14,600 square kilometres). Even this reduced number, however, was never achieved.

I was incensed by this (what I considered to be) dereliction of our duty – believing that a major facet of our management responsibilities was being neglected. I was very aware that our principle wildlife management objective at Hwange was to maintain the park’s biological diversity – and we were NOT achieving that desideratum (because there were too many elephants)!

But, at that time, the new Zimbabwe government had just taken office and money was short. So was the necessary elephant hunting/culling expertise ‘short’ - because many experienced white game rangers had left the country after Zimbabwe’s independence in 1980.

In 1981 the habitat that I took responsibility for in Hwange National Park was nothing like the one I remembered from the early 1960s. All the Mukwa trees had gone. Very few large Mlala palm trees were left standing. Several Acacia and Combretum tree species - entire species - appeared to be locally extinct; and the once heavy undergrowth in the ecotones of the teak forests - on the edge of the forests where they joined the grasslands - was now sparse and straggly.

The grasslands were a mess. The thick cynodon grass swards that once grew on all the major grassland/drainage lines had been eaten into extinction. In many places, where there had once been thick grass, there was nothing but wind-blown and rippling Kalahari Desert sand. Too many elephants and too many other grazers caused all this. But the elephants caused the most damage. They eat practically nothing but grass during the six-month long rainy season – when the grass is green and palatable – and, at that time of the year, they eat grass in very large quantities.

So, the Hwange National Park I inherited in 1981 needed an awful lot of very careful habitat management; and the elephant population needed to be reduced (then) by 20,000 animals. And, I could visibly see that the national park was already (then) well advanced towards becoming a desert.

Little has changed since the early 1980s. I have not been back since 1983 – but the habitat degradation trends (towards the park becoming a desert) that were very obvious to me in 1983, can only have progressed in the same direction over the last 30 years. The elephant population was not ‘managed’ in any way in the interim - and it has (at least) doubled in number since 1983 - so how could the habitat conditions possibly have got better?

Since 1987, NO elephant population reduction has taken place at all in Zimbabwe (or Hwange). Since the illogical and universal CITES international ivory trade ban came into force in 1989, Zimbabwe could not afford to cull its elephants – because, prior to 1989, the sale of ivory paid the huge costs of the culling exercises.

The elephant population in Hwange now stands at between 30,000 and 50,000. I believe it must be nearer the 50,000 mark (or more) - because at a 7.2 percent incremental rate, the population was doubling its numbers every 10 years at the beginning of the 1980s. Dispersal has undoubtedly taken place also, however – out of the national park - induced by population pressure, and lack of food and water inside the national park. And calf mortality must have been horrific over the last 30 years.

When nutrition levels drop, lactating mother elephants are subjected to tremendous energy stress – to keep themselves alive AND to produce milk for their babies. And when there is no food available during the last several months of every dry season, the mother cow’s milk dries up. In nature - when food is short - it is more important that the mother survives and that the baby dies! In 1982/83 I shot a great many baby elephants that had separated from their mothers. Without milk, they did not have the strength to keep up with their mothers on the daily journeys they had to make, to and from the waterholes, in their search for non-existent food.

When baby elephants are thus abandoned, they fall easy prey to lions and hyenas that rip them to pieces in the night and devour them alive – because it is: (1) difficult to kill a baby elephant by way of the lion’s normal manner of killing (strangulation); and (2) it is not easy to rip open even a baby elephant’s thick skin to get at the meat.

I hesitate to make even the wildest guesstimate as to how many baby elephants died this terrible death, every dry season, between the time I left Hwange in 1983 and now (2014) – because for all that time (and more) Hwange has been carrying grossly far too many elephants; and food, every dry season, is in very short supply. THAT is a ‘given’.

I find it difficult, therefore, to accept the US Fish & Wildlife Service’s reasons for suspending the importation, into the USA, of elephant trophies from Zimbabwe; bearing in mind all the foregoing; and bearing in mind that several tens-of-thousands of elephants SHOULD be removed from the Hwange population for good and defendable wildlife management reasons – mainly to rescue what limited biological diversity still remains in the national park.

So, now let’s take your decision apart point by point:

STATEMENT (1): You say: “There has been a significant decline in the elephant population” (although you DO say that “available data” is limited).

My first observation in this regard is: WHY did you make such an important decision if your information was so deficient and could NOT POSSIBLY stand up to any degree of responsible scrutiny? The fact that you base your decision ENTIRELY upon – “Anecdotal evidence, such as the widely publicized poisoning last year of 300 elephants in Hwange National Park, suggests that Zimbabwe’s elephants are (also) under siege” - is simply NOT good enough!

But let us examine this statement in its broadest sense.

(a). It would appear that you have based your opinion (inter alia) on press statements which allude to 300 elephants being poisoned by poachers in Hwange National Park last year (2013). Elephants WERE poisoned in Hwange last year but I have information from a more reliable source (from the horse’s mouth) that tells me the actual figure was less than half that number. You cannot rely on the veracity of the press! However, let’s accept the figure of 300; and let’s test its value as a valid determinant for your decision. So, note, from the very beginning I am giving YOUR argument all the positive advantages.

(b). I have stated that I believe there are between 30,000 and 50,000 elephants in Hwange today. Let’s take the lower figure – 30,000 – which will give YOUR suppositions YET greater strength.

(c). The incremental rate of Hwange’s elephant population (in the 1960s & 70s) was estimated to be 7.2 percent – which gives a population doubling time of 10 years. Let’s half that figure and say the incremental rate is 3.6 percent – to add EVEN MORE strength to YOUR bow. This gives us a population doubling time of 20 years.
(d). Now we get down to the nitty-gritty. 3.6% of 30,000 elephants gives us an actual annual increase of 1080 elephants per year. This figure (in general terms) equates to the number of calves, which survive their first three years of life.

(e). When we take 300 (the number of elephants poisoned in 2013) from 1080 this leaves us STILL with an annual increase of 780 elephants that year.

(f). In a natural elephant population 50 percent are bulls and 50 percent are cows. The ratio, however, is greatly skewed in favour of cows when every year bulls are selectively shot by hunters. But let’s ignore that obvious fact. Nevertheless, ignoring that fact is yet ANOTHER bent that is in favour of YOUR argument. So I suggest we accept that of the 30,000 elephants, 15,000 are cows.

(g). Of those 15,000 cows – with ages ranging from 1 to 60 – at least three quarters are of a breeding age (Puberty at 10 years; Senility at 50). So 11,250 cows are breeding animals.

(h). The normal interval between elephant calves is 4 years. So the number of calves born every year, on average, is one quarter of 11,250; that equals
2,812. A number of these will die during their first dry season (because of elephant overpopulation).

(i). The fact that we have now calculated that 2812 new elephants are born to the Hwange elephant population every year - even if the population remained static at 30,000 (which it doesn’t; it is constantly increasing) - this fact is now definitely NOT in favour of YOUR arguments. So the once-off poisoning of 300 elephants in 2013 - representing one percent of the population - had NO IMPACT whatsoever on the Hwange elephants.

(j). Furthermore, the fact that the poisoning happened during one short period of one year; that the responsible poachers were quickly apprehended and received heavy jail sentences; and that there has never been a recurrence of such an event, suggests that the Zimbabwe authorities were “on the ball’. It cannot be said of them, therefore – as you accuse Tanzania – that there is a lack of effective wildlife law enforced in Zimbabwe.

(k) You have absolutely no right, therefore, to make untrue statements that Zimbabwe’s elephants are in decline or under siege – because they are clearly NOT; AND the basis for your decision to ban Zimbabwean elephant hunting trophies from being imported to the United States is TOTALLY invalid.

STATEMENT (2.): Further referring to your belief that “there is a significant decline in the elephant population” in Zimbabwe, and that “the elephants are under siege”.

(a). Nowhere in your dissertation is there any reference to the numbers of elephants that are being carried by Zimbabwe’s game reserves relative to the sustainable elephant carrying capacities of their habitats. This indicates to me that you have no interest, or concern - whatsoever - about the related and vitally important ecological considerations that SHOULD determine elephant management decisions. You are concerned with NUMBERS and that is all! You are DEFINITELY not AWARE of the fact, and seemingly not interested, that every single big game national park in Zimbabwe is GROSSLY OVERSTOCKED with elephants or that ALL these game reserves are ALL being converted into deserts; that the national parks’ other wildlife is consequently in decline; and that they are ALL losing their once very rich biological diversities – ALL because there are TOO MANY ELEPHANTS.

(b). If only you were right – that there is a significant decline in Zimbabwe’s elephants! If that were true there would be a chance that Zimbabwe’s once rich biological diversity could be rescued from the abyss. Unfortunately you are wrong. There are NO serious declines in Zimbabwe’s elephant numbers. And when ZIMBABWE might be desirous of legitimately ‘culling’ several tens of thousands of elephants’ – because it definitely has far too many elephants - what does a mere 300 (lost to poison) matter (and here I am talking about statistics not ethics or emotions)?

(c). Now I would like to ask YOU, Sir, a number of related questions. It is MY contention that ALL of Zimbabwe’s wildlife sanctuaries require massive elephant population reductions; followed by consistent annual culling programmes. IF Zimbabwe were to institute such a programme would YOU - the USFWS - support Zimbabwe at CITES in a bid to be able to sell the ivory and elephant hide that was forthcoming therefore? Or would you ‘blacklist’ Zimbabwe for NOT adhering to the US Fish & Wildlife Service dictates? I am sure the Zimbabweans would want to hear your answer to THAT question!

What is abundantly clear is that WHAT YOU BELIEVE AFRICA’s wildlife authorities should do – with regard to wildlife management practices and the marketing of their game products – is NOT what Africa’s wildlife authorities would like to do. And there is a very good reason for this.

America’s ‘wildlife culture’ is based upon an ‘anti-market hunting’ philosophy. Americans – generally - believe it is immoral to ‘make money’ out of indigenous wildlife (and, in America, it is illegal to do so). The wildlife cultures of the countries of southern Africa, on the other hand, are all based upon ‘the commercialisation of wildlife’. America’s wildlife culture and the wildlife cultures of Africa’s southern states are, therefore, TOTALLY antithetical. They are diametrically opposed. Having said that, however, we need to understand that ALL, and every, national sub-culture - within each and every nation – are very strong psychological forces in their national psyches.

In a context other than wildlife - but a parallel one to explain this fact - try forcing an Arab nation (whose citizens are radically Islamic) to adopt the Jewish (or Christian; or Buddhist) religion!!!!

Most people believe in the righteousness of their own (various and many) national sub-cultures – which include political; language; legal; dress; religion, education; business; agriculture...et cetera - and wildlife subcultures. It is right and proper that each and every nation should uphold, with high esteem, their cultural fabrics because they evolved over a very long period of time as a consequence of their historical experiences. Each sub-culture is an inherent part of a national cultural whole. The combination and the interrelationships of their various sub-cultures are, in fact, vitally important because it is from this complicated matrix that each country’s national character is molded.

What responsible nations should be prepared to do, therefore, is to recognise their differences in this regard, and NOT try to force their cultural opinions and beliefs on other people. What works for the Americans will not necessarily work for other people – and most probably will not!

The ‘commercial basis’ of the wildlife cultures of southern Africa is just as important an issue to the citizens of the southern African states, as is the ‘anti-market hunting’ cultural issue important to the citizens of America. Neither country, therefore, should try to FORCE its opposing cultural beliefs on the other – but rather they should give each other the freedom to exercise their cultural beliefs in whatever way they like within their respective areas of jurisdiction. You cannot take a piece from one jigsaw puzzle and force it into the picture of another jigsaw puzzle - because it just does not ‘fit’ - so you can NOT force one nation’s wildlife subculture onto another (because national wildlife subcultures are NOT interchangeable).

In making this statement, I am NOT ‘pointing fingers’. I am merely stating facts and, by so doing, I hope to make it easier for both of us to ‘see’ our respective differences. This raises all sorts of psychological obstacles between us – and it will take extra special attention (from both of us) if we are to objectively see each other’s points of view.

I would like to point out that by imposing its ‘will’ on Tanzania and Zimbabwe – by banning the importation of their elephant hunting trophies into the United States – the USFWS has been blatantly imposing its own wildlife cultural interpretations onto these two foreign countries. No matter how much the USFWS may protest this fact, this is exactly what the USFWS has done with respect to its draconian ruling. So do not be surprised America, when AFRICA rejects this ‘bullying’ tactic – when it starts to kick back – when AFRICA begins looking towards other countries for its future partners – other countries that respect Africa for ‘what it is’ rather than ‘what they want to make of Africa; and how they can change our cultural character’.

Just bear in mind, for many of us in Africa, our wildlife culture (interpreted in the context of what is BEST for Africa) is just as powerfully upheld by us, as is the religion of Islam by the Arabs.

America, therefore, would be serving its own best interests if it stops meddling in our wildlife affairs, and if it stops trying to impose its will on Africa. It would behove America, in every way, to start working WITH Africa - genuinely - with the purpose of helping us to realise OUR dreams. Denying Tanzania and Zimbabwe access to the benefits that American hunters bring to this continent is a HUGE impediment to us realising our wildlife management objectives; and it is one (unnecessary and unjustified) obstacle that we could well do without.

(d). Fulfilling OUR wildlife management ‘needs’ are much more important to US, than are YOUR opinions about what YOU believe we should be doing – especially when you have now so thoroughly demonstrated that you have so little knowledge about what is REALLY going on in Africa, on the ground. It is, after all, AFRICA’s wildlife resources we are talking about NOT YOURS! In this regard - with respect - you treat us like children (as if we are ignorant of wildlife and its management) and I resent that – as do an awful lot of other people in Africa. WE, in fact, know MUCH MORE about Africa’s wildlife and its management needs, than does the USFWS – MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MORE!

This exemplifies the differences that can arise between people who have different wildlife cultural viewpoints; and who also have a great deal of tunnel vision.

(e). Who would you consider to be “RIGHT”, for example, when decisions have to made, and enacted, about the wildlife management practices in a sovereign African state? Would you favour the wishes of the African state (because the wildlife, after all, belongs to THEM), or would you insist that the USFWS is correct? This is a VERY pertinent question the answer to which the WHOLE OF AFRICA would dearly like to know the answer.

If we take the current case in point – the question about Americans hunting elephants in Tanzania and Zimbabwe and not being allowed to take their trophies home – the USFWS has clearly FORCED THE ISSUE. They have, with one stroke of the pen, unilaterally decreed (by connivance) that they are going to stop Americans from hunting elephants in both these countries. So maybe my question is unnecessary? Maybe I already have the answer? But this has given me a good opportunity to make my point: WHAT RIGHT HAS AMERICA to interfere so blatantly (and so bombastically) in the wildlife management affairs of an African country (ESPECIALLY on such dubious grounds)?

This reality has huge implications with regards to the successes and/or the failures that African states can expect when they try to implement their own homegrown wildlife management programmes. In effect - because HUNTING plays such a dominant role in the finances of Africa’s wildlife management programmes - African states CANNOT devise or implement their own-designed wildlife programmes without first ‘getting permission’ from the USFWS in America. And how bizarre is that? And how ignominious is that for a sovereign African state?

(f). Africa is very conscious of the impending massive explosion of its human population this century. Today there are 650 million people in Africa south of the Sahara. By the year 2100 there will be 2.5 billion (United Nations statistics). As a consequence, there are many people in Africa looking towards creating a new paradigm for our wildlife management programmes – one that will WORK in the dense human population scenario that we know is coming. Many people (like me) realise that the ONLY solution to the very heavy pressures that our future human populations will be exerting on our wildlife sanctuaries – during the latter part of this century - is to fully integrate the ‘needs’ of our national parks’ with the ‘needs’ of the rural people who will be surrounding them.

And we cannot achieve THAT if we are NOT FREE to act as circumstances evolve and dictate; and especially if we have America’s USFWS breathing down our necks telling us what we can and cannot do. So Africa – especially southern Africa – would appreciate the USFWS (and America) ‘backing off’ so that we can ‘paddle our own canoe’. We would like it better, however, if America changed its tune and gave us help when we are struggling to achieve ‘our own’ wildlife management goals. Africa WANTS to make a success of whatever it does this century and it does not need unnecessary impediments to be put in place by the USFWS.

STATEMENT (3.): “Additional killing of elephants in Zimbabwe (and Tanzania), even if legal, is not sustainable and it is not currently supporting the conservation efforts that contribute towards the recovery of the species”.

(a). General: Once again I have to re-state that I have no idea where you get the idea that Zimbabwe’s elephants need to “RECOVER”? And again I have to ask: Recover from WHAT?

(b). Re Hwange National Park (and Zimbabwe generally): With regards to the ‘non-sustainable’ (use) aspect of your statement, I have indicated (above) that the elephant herds in Hwange are breeding in a more than a satisfactory manner. They are, in fact, breeding far too well. They are breeding themselves out of house and home. And they are increasing at an alarming rate.

The REAL threat to the elephants of Hwange National Park (AND to other elephant populations in Zimbabwe) is lack of food at the height of the dry season – which can and does cause huge die-offs when droughts are bad. Die-offs would not happen at all, however, if the elephants in Hwange (and elsewhere) were ‘living within their means’ – in other words, if their numbers were of a size that their habitats could sustainably carry (even in a drought year). The biggest danger to Zimbabwe’s elephants, therefore, actually comes from the elephants themselves – from their HUGE population numbers; and from the constant non-sustainable ‘mining’ of their limited food supplies.

So the perception that the USFWS has got, about the elephant situation in Hwange National Park (and elsewhere in Zimbabwe) could not be further from the truth.
(c). Re. The elephants in Zimbabwe’s 2000 square mile Gonarezhou National Park: I (and my supporting team) was directly responsible for reducing the elephant population in the Gonarezhou by 2500 animals in 1971/72 – from 5000 to 2500. Yes! We cut the population right in half! 10 years later the population had increased to 5000; and a colleague of mine (and his team) again reduced that population by half (in 1982/83). Since then the elephant population in the Gonarezhou has increased without constraint and it now numbers in excess of 10,000; and the habitats in the game reserve have been TOTALLY ruined.

The habitats will also now NEVER recover because the soil that once supported them has been washed down river into the Indian Ocean. This soil loss happened because the vegetative cover that once protected the soil from erosion is now gone. What caused the erosion (of the bare ground)? Every drop of rain that has fallen during the last 40 years; desiccation of the naked soil by the hot sun; the wind that blew the loose soil particles away; and trampling by a myriad of elephant feet and other animal hooves over the years! The root cause? Too many elephants!

So the protection of ALL elephants, at any cost, is causing the TOTAL destruction of Zimbabwe’s game reserves!

Furthermore, the elephants have eaten into oblivion practically every baobab tree in the game reserve – and, in 1960, there were HUNDREDS of giant baobabs in the park. LITERALLY HUNDREDS! Now, only those growing in remote positions amongst the rocks on the high hillsides (and so protected from elephants) survive. And the enormous baobab tree, Sir, lives to 5000 years old. That means they were 1700 years old (in the Gonarezhou) when Tutankhamen was Pharaoh of Ancient Egypt. To me, the baobabs are far more important than the elephants that kill them; elephants, after all, live for only 60 years – and elephants readily and quickly replace themselves. Baobabs do not!

The riverine forests on the Nuanetsi River and on the Lundi River (inside the Gonarezhou), which I knew in 1968, have now all gone - completely. And the mopani woodlands, and the deciduous sandveld woodlands, are now just piles of broken tree trunks (where anything of them is left at all).

In 1970, my estimate of the sustainable elephant carrying capacity for the Gonarezhou was 1000 animals (One elephant per two square miles). And if we want to help the game reserve’s habitats to RECOVER, we should halve that number and start the habitat reconstruction process at a level that WILL ALLOW the habitats to recover. And once the habitats have been restored, we could THEN allow the elephants to return to 1000 - which would be achieved after only 10 years! Tragically, the giant baobabs – those beautiful icons of Africa – are gone forever.

The Gonarezhou story exemplifies what our ‘conservation’ priorities should be. It tells us that our wildlife management ‘concerns’, in order of priority, should be:

(1). Our First Priority Concern: should be for the well-being of ‘The Soil’ – because without soil no plants can grow;

(2). Our Second Priority Concern: should be for the well being of ‘The Plants’ (habitats & food) – because without plants there would be no animals; and

(3). Our Third (& last) Priority Concern: should be for the well being of the animals.

People who put their concern for animals FIRST are putting the cart before the horse. And, with regard to the issue we are addressing at this time, the USFWs priority concern is clearly ‘for the Elephants’. The USFWS, therefore – when it comes to their concerns for the wildlife resources of Africa - is clearly guilty of putting the ‘conservation’ cart before the horse!

(d) Re: The game reserves of the middle and lower Zambezi valleys: The elephants in all these game reserves are in exactly the same kind of fix as those in Hwange and the Gonarezhou. Their elephant population numbers are all grossly excessive - because they have not been culled during the last 25 years; and because their habitats have been shredded.

In the Chizarira and Matusadona National Parks, the once healthy miombo woodlands (1960 era) have all completely disappeared; only scrubby woody vegetation remains.

In the Mana Pools and Lower Zambezi Valley game reserves the mopani woodlands are seriously degraded; many baobabs have been eliminated, others ruined; and the riverine forests (what is left of them) are degrading fast. At Mana Pools only the giant Acacia albida trees remain on the floodplain – and they are still there ONLY because they are too big for the elephants to push over. But there are no replacements. And, within walking distance of water during the dry season, there is NO understory beneath the surviving big trees.

(e). Management Goals: All in all, if we want to manage Zimbabwe’s elephant populations for posterity (which SHOULD be our goal; and it SHOULD be YOUR goal, too, Sir), we should be thinking about (collectively) removing at least 100,000 elephants from Zimbabwe’s game reserves. This is a thumb-suck guesstimate because I do not know the REAL figures - game reserve by game reserve. But I make this bald statement with a purpose. I want you, Sir, ‘to get the picture’ that I am trying to paint for you - about the REAL status of elephants in Zimbabwe today. There are far too many for the available habitats to sustainably maintain; and, rather than Zimbabwe applying “RECOVERY” management strategies for its elephants, it needs to be applying DRASTIC “POPULATION REDUCTION” measures. We do not have to help elephants to ‘recover’ (from anything) – they are quite adept at doing that without any help from us.

(f) So.... when you talk about ‘the recovery’ of the elephant population in Zimbabwe, I remain astounded! Again I ask - perplexed - what ‘recovery’ are you talking about? In living memory there has been no slump in the numbers of elephant s in Zimbabwe. Over the past 55 years - the period that I can personally talk about authoritatively, because during that period I was personally involved (and/or familiar) with all aspects of elephant management in Zimbabwe – there has ONLY been a persistent (and frightening) very fast rate of increase in elephant numbers. If Zimbabwe’s elephant mega-population were to ‘RECOVER’ any more, it would implode upon itself.

The wildlife management truth of the matter is that elephants in Zimbabwe will not prosper (that is, become vibrantly healthy) until the individual population numbers are reduced to a level that their respective habitats can sustainably support. And Zimbabwe is very far from achieving that state of affairs at this time.

Currently, the Elephants of Zimbabwe - ALL populations - are living “ON” (or below) the nutritional poverty line during every six-month’s long dry season. In every population their nutrition levels at that time of the year are so low (per capita) that there is a regular and very high mortality of calves up to one year of age (because their mother’s milk dries up). And in bad drought years, young elephants up to the age of three and four years (and sometimes older) also die of starvation.

When good year cycles return the survival of calves and juveniles improves - but many dry season deaths (due to starvation) still occur.

CONCLUSION.

With respect, Sir, the information you have been fed – and which has led you to believe that Zimbabwe’s elephants are in decline; and that they are threatened by Zimbabwe’s current sustainable-use management programmes (which includes hunting) - is grossly inaccurate. I further contend, Sir, that your argument - that intervention by the USFWS is necessary to save Africa’s elephants from extinction - is not just full of holes, it is one big hole.

I cannot speak with the same kind of authority for Tanzania, but the ecological circumstances surrounding elephants and their management throughout savannah Africa are much the same. So I would recommend that your moratorium on the importation of elephant hunting trophies from both countries (Tanzania AND Zimbabwe) should be lifted – and lifted immediately. If you have another problem with the Tanzanian government (which you seem to have), then deal with it at government level. Do not take out your chagrin (or whatever) on the country’s elephants, its wildlife or its people.

All your precipitate dictum has produced is one year of misery for a whole lot of Africa’s people – both within Zimbabwe and in Tanzania - and that statement will ONLY remain valid IF you rescind your illogical decision at the end of 2104. You must also be told - UNEQUIVOCALLY - that your action has opened wide the gates for the commercial poachers to enter all those wildlife areas where the hunters once operated. When professional hunters are in the field, they represent the biggest obstacle to poaching of all kinds! So, if your ‘purpose’ - by imposing the ban on elephant trophies into America - is genuine (that is, that it is truly intended ‘to save the African elephant’) your plan has been very badly conceived and it will go very badly awry.

Furthermore, whilst your moratorium on elephant trophy exports to America remains in force, the professional hunters and their teams of ‘local-people’ staff will have to find something else to do for a whole year – and if they can’t find new (temporary) employment, they (and their families) will, quite literally starve. And all the many benefits that flow to the local rural people, and to the wildlife sanctuaries where the elephant hunting takes place - most of which comes from America hunters - will come to a sudden dead stop.

The sustainable and ethical hunting of Africa’s trophy animals is the BEST way to ‘take wealth from the rich people of the First World’ and ‘give it to the poor people of Africa’. Nothing else matches it.

So why are you doing this? Why are you imposing this importation ban on elephant trophies to the U.S. from Tanzania and Zimbabwe? Your rationale is so flawed I could fly a Boeing 747 through the holes in your argument (because you have NO argument). The imposition of your dictum, Sir, will have NO positive effects; it will NOT stop the poaching – it will help the poachers; it will not help the elephants (and Africa’s other wildlife) - it will hurt the elephants (and Africa’s other wildlife); and it will hurt a whole lot of African people into the bargain as well, UNNECESSARILY.

I am angry about your draconian decision. So are a whole lot of other people here in Africa. We are angry with the USFWS for basing such a huge decision on such flimsy ‘evidence’ – ‘evidence’ that is, in fact, not ‘evidence’ at all, but YOUR ‘whim’. Unthinkingly, you have set in motion a series of events that will very badly affect a great many people (AND our precious wildlife resources)! And we are particularly angry because your decision is based on a completely erroneous perception that, TRULY, has absolutely no basis in reality. The USFWS is WRONG, Sir. It is wrong in everything that it has done, in every respect, with regard to this terrible blunder.

I believe, in view of the above, the USFWS does not even have to re-think the validity of (and to reverse) its decision to stop elephant trophy importations to the U.S. from BOTH countries. It was a wrong decision in the first place, all round! This conclusion is a no-brainer! The USFWS, therefore, should reinstate the previous status quo as quickly as possible. Your imperious dictum needs to be rescinded with immediate effect!

On behalf of the whole of Africa, Sir, I trust that the information contained in this letter/report will help you to recognise, and to understand, the errors that are inherent in your information and in your judgments in this matter; and that you will find it in your heart (and in your protocols) to withdraw this unfortunate ruling right away.

I have no axe to grind in this matter. I am too old to be a hunter and I have no vested interest in this whole salmagundi – except that I love Africa and its wildlife (especially black rhinos and elephants). I just happen to know the subject matter very well, and I am aggrieved by the fact that the USFWS could have been so insensitive, so ill advised, and so stupid as to have even considered this action at all. It adversely impacts so very seriously on everything in Africa that I love and cherish; and I cannot sit back and say nothing about it.

In all sincerity,

Ron Thomson


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If they'd put the local villages in charge & benefiting from the money licenses bring in, the local villages themselves would shoot all the poachers or stop it. Corruption, is the reason why the local natives don't stop poaching, heck they probably are the ones doing it too. I figure they must see all the outsider hunters shooting their game and must say, well, we might as well be making the money as the crooked government, as they don't see much of the bucks locally.

No different with the Indians in Alaska. They see thousands of outsider hunters from Anch, Fairbks, and lower 48 coming in, shooting 600-800 caribou in two days, and then the season gets closed and they are told to not shoot any winter meat. Indians laugh at AKDF&G if there isn't a liberal subsistence season for locals and shoot 24/7. They ain't gonna starve and they ain't going to change the way they been living for many years for any outsider created problems. That's how they see it and then the caribou herd suffers. BLM comes in restricting hunting and access; F&G pushes more restrictive seasons that affects the outsiders and locals keep shooting them when they see them
I don't think it's much different anywheres.
 
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If they'd put the local villages in charge & benefiting from the money licenses bring in, the local villages themselves would shoot all the poachers or stop it. Corruption, is the reason why the local natives don't stop poaching, heck they probably are the ones doing it too. I figure they must see all the outsider hunters shooting their game and must say, well, we might as well be making the money as the crooked government, as they don't see much of the bucks locally.

No different with the Indians in Alaska. They see thousands of outsider hunters from Anch, Fairbks, and lower 48 coming in, shooting 600-800 caribou in two days, and then the season gets closed and they are told to not shoot any winter meat. Indians laugh at AKDF&G if there isn't a liberal subsistence season for locals and shoot 24/7. They ain't gonna starve and they ain't going to change the way they been living for many years for any outsider created problems. That's how they see it and then the caribou herd suffers. BLM comes in restricting hunting and access; F&G pushes more restrictive seasons that affects the outsiders and locals keep shooting them when they see them
I don't think it's much different anywheres.


I lived in the bush for 8 years. I've seen the pilgrims come and go during "sport hunting". Some of that money does trickle down to the local economies but certainly not a large percentage when the outfitters don't live in the areas they hunt.

Africa is quite different and not a good comparison. Some locals poach for food but the majority of poaching falls into two categories. Commercial bush meat poachers. That would be like an organized group in Koliganak killing 60 Moose and trying to sell them in Dillingham or Anchorage. Just doesn't happen in AK. The real poaching threat to the Elephant is Chinese driven for illegal Ivory trade.

Hunting dollars actually do make it to locals in Africa. I was never in a camp that didn't have over a dozen locals working there. Their income and tips support probably support 50 -60 people per person.

The other difference is the amount of food going to the local communities from hunting. One Elephant can be 12,000 pounds of meat and they eat EVERYTHING.

In Zimbabwe the Campfire Program puts much needed dollars in the hands of the local communities supporting schools and clinics. To compare AK and Africa is really apples and oranges.

CAMPFIRE

The other thing to keep in mind is 90% of the Parks budget comes from hunting dollars.

Simple adage in Africa as far as wildlife goes.... "If it pays, it stays".


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I agree with you 100% and I have written my Legislators....the do nothing Women from Seattle...will fall on deaf ears too!!

Even more concerning is the horrendous problem you folks have in Alaska with probably more outfitters, both hunting and fishing, having charges leveled against them than NOT!! For crazy and puny paperwork things that must be dug up to accusing an outfitter for writing a bear tag in camp AFTER the kill, to wrong placement of a bait barrel AFTER the season, to a top Master Guide being charged when he accidentally overlooked payment of one of his Guide license fees on one of 5 Game Management units....and F&W did not warn him and waited to charge him with clients in the field with him!!
I think AK is in far greater threat by local F&W Trooper frivolous enforcement than the overall Elephant thing....I think that is clearly a Bureaucratic and Politically motivated push for Humane Society, etc....I can't put a finger on what is going on in AK...Environmentalists in F&W Troopers, pay and promotion program....but AK is in jeopardy of losing lots of clients over this....I cancelled out of Griz hunt for fear of becoming entangled in an outfitter enforcement action....he started with 7 and it has morphed to 37. Sure put a chill on my Dall Sheep hunt last year....with most of his equipment seized!!
Seems this is happening to the high profile Outfitters...including Jim West!! Costing hundreds of thousands of attorney dollars and breaking many outfitters......
Bad Situation!!


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Typical response from Murkowski. Where do "pets" enter into the elephant hunting issue? Nuts.

A little surprised Begich didn't get back to you. What does he have to lose supporting legal hunting?


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I think the future of hunting is in endangered form many fronts.

More and more people living in urban areas. The consent push by the media of organized sports.

The failure of the older generation to get the younger ones involved.

I know of more then one hunting dad who is more then willing to spend lots of time and money on their children's ball sports. But well not take the time to take them to deer camp.

The over regulation and high fees cause many hunters just to throw up their hands and not even try to go hunting.

Just a lot easier to play golf watch football and baseball.

The outfitter and resort protection laws(other wise know as you must have a guide).

Have destroyed a lot of DIY hunters.

One could go on and on why the number of hunters is falling. When some of the game populations have never been higher.
 
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