My goodness, Juan... that one buffalo looks like a creature from Star Wars !!! ??? Are these buffalo as nasty as the ones in Uruguay ??? If so, the palomas might be easier on the nerves to hunt... Kidding aside, a water buffalo is a worthy adversary ... I'll certainly hunt them again ..

Nice pictures Juan. Looks like some v happy clients.
How much did that hog hanging from a tree weight?
Do the buffalo generally live in open areas?

Awesome pict's Juan. Those are some sturdy looking dogs too.

Bill

in this zone there are huge feral hogs but very few russian boars in the riverines of mar chiquita lagoon there are pure russian boars real big .juan

J�ger

We will hunt the Mar Chiquita lagoon and sweep it clear
Have a Merry Christmas.

Cheers,

Andr�

dear friend i have been guiding bufalos and the swamps are full of them i saw some gold medals my client used a 375hyh he killed a sci gold medal buck then he shooted 30hundred shell at ducks.juan

Jæger

I see that you have a new "Name"
I will not be longe
I hope that my rifle wil come all the way to Argentina.
I will contact the Argentinian Enbasy to take care of the import of the rifle.
Do you think that the 12,7 mm will be a problem.

Cheers,

André

What's with the weird horns. Is there a mineral deficiency in these buffalo or is it genetic?

Is that a 45/70 Marlin in the top pic?

Cheers,
Canuck

Andre: check the regulations about your 500 Jeffery. I fear that a .500 is not allowed, but I may be wrong.

I spoke the the Argentinian Embasy in Copenhagen today and are going to have a meeting with them next week regarding my weapons permit/import.
I hope that I can bring my toy If not I will bring my .375 H&H mag. It is a great killer too.

The real sport will be hunting with the dogos and the Trail master
I like it up close and personal.

Cheers,

André

dear andre i have clients with 475 ne and with 458 i think you will not have problems but ill check tomorrow in the renar i hope you can bring your rifle i invite gustavo ruiz an expert in heavies to hunt with us we use to have very liberal gun laws including assult rifles but this goverment is not gunpro.juan

yes canuck its a marlin guide gun 4570

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Originally posted by juanpablopozzi:
yes canuck its a marlin guide gun 4570

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Right on. Was the performance satisfactory?

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by juanpablopozzi:
dear andre i have clients with 475 ne and with 458 i think you will not have problems but ill check tomorrow in the renar i hope you can bring your rifle i invite gustavo ruiz an expert in heavies to hunt with us we use to have very liberal gun laws including assult rifles but this goverment is not gunpro.juan

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Dear Andre,

Thanks to Juan, I'll be able to join the party and I only foresee a hell of time ahead! I cannot think of a better time hunting the big buffs in our incredible northern Chaco... a thrill for sure

Please feel free to ask any issues regarding your trip down here, since I'm based in Buenos Aires and I'm ready to assit a fellow hunter anyway I can.

Hope to see you soon

Regards, Gus

Gus

I look forward to hunting with you.
Are you also a knife man
What rifle will you be using for the buff ?
From what date will ypou be hunting with Juan and Alberto ?

I am Danish champ in Malbec

Cheers,

André

Hey Juan: did you find something about the 500 Jeffery?. My mind ain´t what it used to be nowadays and I´m keen interested in the current status of this caliber here.
Regards

I will speek to the Argentinian Ambassador on wednesday and then maybe find out.

Cheers,

André

Andre: very good news. I´ve called today the R.E.N.A.R. (National Arms Registry) and a clerk there checked the regulations. Your .500 Jeffery is authorised.
Weidmannsheil!!!

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Originally posted by JefferyDenmark:
Gus

I look forward to hunting with you.
Are you also a knife man
What rifle will you be using for the buff ?
From what date will ypou be hunting with Juan and Alberto ?

I am Danish champ in Malbec

Cheers,

André

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Dear André,

Unfortunately I'm not a knife guy... just a rifle man!

I'll go classic, that is a Ruger Nro. 1 in .458WinMag stoked with my own reloads with Barnes X 450gr, at a MV of 2350fps.

If placed correctly more than enough for buff. My PH in Africa carried a .500 Jeff built on a Brno action. Very nice rifle indeed.

I'm glad to hear that you can brinf down here your beloved (??) Jeffery. What load do you plan to use?

As to the dates, this is something I need to arrange, but please let me know when you'll arrive into BsAs so we can do plan out some sort of activities for you. Are you coming alone?

See you soon!

Gus

I will arrive on the 17.03.05 and fly via Santiago to Cordoba not Buenos Aires.
I leave on the 25.03.05
I travel light (alone)
I will shoot my own bullets 500 or 600 grn copper. I load these bullets to 750 m/sec for the 500 grn and 700 m/sec for the 600 grn cup point.
A good load for Boar




Cheers,

André

nainitial is always rigth the 500 is allowed in chaco we will be hunting wild cebues not bufalos in northen santa fe bufalos gustavo is a well known hunter and navy officer expert in bufalos he will be one of your pupils in knife figthing too.juan

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Originally posted by JefferyDenmark:
Gus

I will arrive on the 17.03.05 and fly via Santiago to Cordoba not Buenos Aires.
I leave on the 25.03.05
I travel light (alone)
I will shoot my own bullets 500 or 600 grn copper. I load these bullets to 750 m/sec for the 500 grn and 700 m/sec for the 600 grn cup point.
A good load for Boar



Cheers,

André

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André, it's a shame taht you don't come to visit our capital city...ok, maybe next time! however Cordoba is one of our most beatiful cities, full of very good things!

Impressive bullets... are they lathe turned by yourself?? hope to put my hands on some of them soon. Please tell us more on their design and terminal performance

Sure, they look like effective medicine for our buffs. Have you tested them before on large game? please any info is more than appreciated on such beautifuls! ... by the way, they also look good for boar too!

Oh! if you are coming alone...I0m sure we can arrange something to have fun together with our friend Juan

Please let me know in advance of any need you may anticipate. Any fellow hunter coming into Argentina deserves the best of all times.

dear friends dont worry we will get fun in san francisco we will hunt some boars and hogs and then the hard hunting in el chaco very hard ,in a totally wild place.andre prepare to drink wines and shoot a lot.gustavo can hunt a cebu too.juan he will use his ruger n1 458 and perhaps another of his cannons willy will use a mauser 375hyh and i will use a marlin guide gun 4570 or a 458

Juan Jæger, Gus, and Willy

1 .375 H&H mag 2 .458 win mag and 1 .500 Jeffery

That is pleanty of GUN

The ambassabor did not call me back to set up an apointment but I hope to get everything in order by the end of next week.

Juan what power source do you have in Argentina 220 and a euro plug??

I might bring a DVD player to go with the MS movies

Cheers,

André

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Originally posted by JefferyDenmark:
Juan Jæger, Gus, and Willy

1 .375 H&H mag 2 .458 win mag and 1 .500 Jeffery

That is pleanty of GUN

The ambassabor did not call me back to set up an apointment but I hope to get everything in order by the end of next week.

Juan what power source do you have in Argentina 220 and a euro plug??

I might bring a DVD player to go with the MS movies

Cheers,

André

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Yep ... seems we have "enough gun" at least to have some fun!

Again, if you need further assitance, please let me know. Our system is 220v, but plug adaptors are a real need.

Juan is talking about snake boots ?
I will get a pair of chaps or gaiters I think that will do. I do not have enough time to get a pair of snake boots from the US and break them in.
Is there many poisones snakes in Argentina ?
I will try to get an adapter for Argentina.
The code free DVD player is already good to go

Cheers,

André

Andre: actually there is only one venomous snake which you may find here: the yarará. This is a member of the Botrops family. With proper assistance and a good health its bite should not offer too many problems. Anyway a pair of gaiters is more than enough a match for any yarará that walks.
Good hunting once more

I think that I will get a pair of gaiters and wear the boots that I am use to.
I think that Juan is a real walker and I would not like to walk 15 km a day in new high snake boots

Cheers,

André

What kind of buff are these they are killing now in S. America? They do not seem to be the same water buff as in Australia, or even like you used to see come out of S.America.. Is this a different genus specie than the Bos Bubalis? Are these the carabao? They just don't seem "right". I am just curious, and don't they have the true water buff just like the Australian brand in South America?
Doug

Juan Jæger

The paperworks is done and it looks like the mighty .500 Jeffery is coming to Argentina with me

Cheers,

André

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What kind of buff are these they are killing now in S. America? They do not seem to be the same water buff as in Australia, or even like you used to see come out of S.America.. Is this a different genus specie than the Bos Bubalis? Are these the carabao? They just don't seem "right". I am just curious, and don't they have the true water buff just like the Australian brand in South America?
Doug

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an excerpt from the "Asociación Argentina de Criadores de Búfalos" regarding the species that can be found in our country, for both purposes, cattling and hunting

"...The species "Bubalus bubalis" includes nineteen breeds. Three of the most economically important ones are present in Argentina: Mediterranean (70%), Murrah and Jafarabadi. The three of them are double purpose breeds (milk and beef), and sometimes they also serve as labour animals. The first bubalines to arrive in the country crossed the Uruguay River, mainly from Brazil, in the 1910’s.

MURRAH BREED: Native from the north-west of India, these animals are jet black, with white spots only in the tip of the tail, solid, strong, with a deep and wide bone structure, short limbs and weighty bones. Good lower back and excellent beef carcass conformation. Horns are short, dosed-spiral shaped. Short ears. Well developed udders, dearly visible veins and firm rear ends. Nipples are easily handled and pulled. Milk flows swiftly. All of which contributes to turning out a superior dairy cow. Hides are thick. Its adaptability to cold temperatures is unparalleled by other breeds.

JAFARABADI BREED: Its name derives from the town of Jafarabadi. It is black too. Horns are heavy and wide, tilted downward, and they curl up and backwards at the tip. Average weights for adult males is 700-1000 k, 700 k for females. The breed is most appropriate for areas with long and abundant grass, not necessarily green. It needs great volume to generate energy. When feeding diminishes, calf crops are strung out, and rebreeding is postponed. In spite of that, its beef carcass conformation is excellent and so is its milk production (very large chest).

MEDITERRANEAN BREED: It is also native from India although it actually became a breed in Europe. It is black; white spots are not accepted. Horns are medium sized, tips are turned backwards and inwards, forming a crescent. Its face is long and narrow, with long hairs in the lower jaw. Its body is comparatively wider than longer, limbs are short and stout. Prominent withers, higher than the sacrum, deep chest and large abdomen.
The tail is short but it reaches the hock because it is set low down. In general, it is a solid, muscular and deep animal. The top butt has a good structure. Average weight for adult males is 600-800 k and 600 k for females.

The average age of the first calving is 40 months. Very good beef carcass conformation and milk production. Its feed efficiency and resistance to high temperatures causes them to gain weight fast and produce milk efficiently in tropical and sub-tropical climates.

The natural interruption of service during the autumn contributes to match their needs with the roughage curve in the Sub-tropics. Cows do not need the blushing of green grass during spring to go in estrous; when summer temperatures go down, cows go on heat between March and June, feeding on grass with a high fibre content (there must be a minimum volume, though). Estrous ends when low temperatures settle down.

This trait of the bubaline allows it to produce milk and beef, not only in temperate zones but also in the sub-tropics (as long as the carrying capacity during the winter season is carefully handled: on average, each buffalo is equivalent to 1.2 cow).

As regards beef yield, calves reared in pastoral farming in sub-tropical conditions show an uninterrupted growth and weight gain curve from birth (between January and April, average March) to 15 months of age.
At this moment, they enter their second winter, but with no serious consequences because they have not yet teethed (the 5rst pair of permanent incisors comes out at 30-36 months of age).

This means that by 27-30 months of age (when their third winter starts), slaughter weight amounts to 500-550 kilos live weight. Most bubaline cattle in Argentina is oriented towards beef production, as in Brazil too. There are only 4 dairy farms; the first one dates from 1992. In Italy and India, breeds are oriented towards dairy conformation.

Genetic evaluations are carried by some producers on their own, with the help of AACB.

The Sociedad Rural Argentina (SRA) sees to Herd Books for Basic Crosses (1st generation = P1, and 2nd generation = P2) as well as to the Official Herd Books (F) (last step of a grading-up breeding programme: animals are considered "Purebreed" with +87% of the original breed blood.

Four hundred animals have been registered (150 per year). Grade up Herd Books (multiple sired population approved by a breed association inspection) are run by the AACB (B1 and B2). There are 250 entries per year, with a total of 1,600 animals registered to date.

There is no contact with the International Federation as regards Herd Books and /or improvement programmes, except the acknowledgement of the SRA and AACB Herd Books by National Breeders Associations in Italy and Brazil.

AACB is a member of the Buffalo Breeders Association for the Americas and it is one of the founding members of the International Buffalo Federation which is the world institution for breeders and researchers of this breed. Exports are sent to Brazil, Italy and Vietnam...."

Juan,
The buffalo with the weird horns (I think the second picture) is a cow? I've seen a couple of animals with similar horns here, but they always have been cows.
LG

Thanks Gustavo,
So are the ones in the photos Murrah? And which on is the one they kill in Australia, the Jafarabadi? Just curious. Weren't there some of the Australian type on Marajo' Island??
Doug

Gus

Good info on the buffs

I got the paper work for the .500 Jeffery done and can't wait to go.


Cheers,

André

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Gus

I got the paper work for the .500 Jeffery done and can't wait to go.

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You might still have time for a new, hand-forged pig-sticker made in Buenos Aires:



http://www.aescustomknives.com.ar/default.htm

Be sure to tell him you saw it here to get the reduced price.

(I have no affiliation with him but I did buy a skinning knife from him which I have not yet tested.)

FRIENDS ,YES THE BUFALO WITH EXTRANGE HORNS WAS A COW IT CHARGED ME AFTER 4 375HYH SHOT FROM THE CLIENT ,HE WANTS TO BE THE ONLY SHOOTER SO I FINISHED IT WHEN IT WAS AT 10 MTS FROM ME IT .ALL IS FILMED BY THE CLIENTS WIFE,I PERSONALLY KILLED HUNDREDS OF BUFALOS WITH 458,375,4570,44MAGNUM,AND WITH SHOTGUNS WITH BRENNEKES OR SIMILAR BULLETS.I KILLED SOME WILD CEBUES IN CHOELE CHOEL AND EL CHACO TOO AND ARE VERY VERY DANGEROUS WE WILL TRY THEM WITH ANDRE ,AND GUS,.THE MARLIN GUIDE GUN THE COPILOT BY JIM WEST OF WILWEST GUNS FROM ALASKA PAGE WILWESTGUNS.COM ARE VERY PRACTICAL AND NEVER LET ME DOWN ,JEFF COOPER REGARDS THIS RIFLES AS ONE OF THE MOST PRACTICAL EVER INVENTED.THE KNIFE POSTED ITS WONDERFUL BUT I WILL NOT USE IT FOR HUNTING FIRST ITS NOT FULL TANG SECOND I DONT LIKE THE POINT 3RD ITS TOO SLIM AND ITS HANDLE CAN BE VERY SLIPERY WITH BLOOD.JUAN

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Originally posted by Magnum Hunter1:
Thanks Gustavo,
So are the ones in the photos Murrah? And which on is the one they kill in Australia, the Jafarabadi? Just curious. Weren't there some of the Australian type on Marajo' Island??
Doug

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Magnum,

The buff in the first and last photo are Murrah the second (weird ???) is a Jafarabadi (the original hometown in India).

In Brasil you can also find the Carabao, a species not found in Argentina, at least to my knowledge. It's a (domestic) water buff orginary from the Philippines.

They can also be found in Thailand, The carabao (water buffalo) is still a very important draught-animal on the rice-fields.

On the other hand, the animals that are available for hunting in Australia while related, are not found neither in Argentina nor Brasil.

In the brasilean island of Marajó (near Belén)the buffalos (Carabao) are part of the tourism offer, both for riding and sightseeing and for beef.

On a final note : Anoas and Tamarau, or tamaraw, are smaller relatives of the Asian water buffalo.

The two species of Anoas are found in Celebes, and the Tamarau lives on Mindoro Island in the Philippines.

All three are dark brown, shy forest animals that are endangered. According to the 'Red Data Book', the tamarau is one of the rarest mammals in the world.

Buffalo belong to the family Bovidae of the order Artiodactyla.

The scientific name of the Asian water buffalo is "Bubalus bubalus bubalis"; of the African buffalo, Syncerus caffer; of the anoas, B. anoa depressicornis and B. a. quarlesi; and of the tamarau, B. bubalus mindorensis.

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FRIENDS ,YES THE BUFALO WITH EXTRANGE HORNS WAS A COW IT CHARGED ME AFTER 4 375HYH SHOT FROM THE CLIENT ,HE WANTS TO BE THE ONLY SHOOTER SO I FINISHED IT WHEN IT WAS AT 10 MTS FROM ME IT .ALL IS FILMED BY THE CLIENTS WIFE,I PERSONALLY KILLED HUNDREDS OF BUFALOS WITH 458,375,4570,44MAGNUM,AND WITH SHOTGUNS WITH BRENNEKES OR SIMILAR BULLETS.I KILLED SOME WILD CEBUES IN CHOELE CHOEL AND EL CHACO TOO AND ARE VERY VERY DANGEROUS WE WILL TRY THEM WITH ANDRE ,AND GUS,.THE MARLIN GUIDE GUN THE COPILOT BY JIM WEST OF WILWEST GUNS FROM ALASKA PAGE WILWESTGUNS.COM ARE VERY PRACTICAL AND NEVER LET ME DOWN ,JEFF COOPER REGARDS THIS RIFLES AS ONE OF THE MOST PRACTICAL EVER INVENTED.THE KNIFE POSTED ITS WONDERFUL BUT I WILL NOT USE IT FOR HUNTING FIRST ITS NOT FULL TANG SECOND I DONT LIKE THE POINT 3RD ITS TOO SLIM AND ITS HANDLE CAN BE VERY SLIPERY WITH BLOOD.JUAN

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Nice knife to eat asados!!! but to go hunting with it...