Any hunting there yet, that someone can safely do?

Ask ErikD, he has there one or two years ago...

I will love to visit that country some day, it remainds me the time of the Derviches, the british empire, etc...is full of history

L

I think that in english are called Dervishes..??
Also known as the Mahdíes.

L

My understanding is no. I talked to Chuck Bazzy about it in Jan. Chuck was a lic ph there for several years and acts as booking agent now. His partner on the ground says animals are there but still too many guns around. The didnt want to take clients yet. I dont know if things have changed since the winter.

I've been to Juba three times in the last 10 months. Still a lot of mines everywhere. As you go south towards Uganda you run into Lord Kony's Revolutionaries (three on a demining team killed about a month ago). Everybody's a warrior, everybody's got a Kalashnikov. You might be able to come over from the Ethiopian side if your Ethiopian based outfitter made some arrangements with the people just the other side of the border. It'll be awhile before it resembles Botswana.

Here's a picture of me with some of the ordnance collected on the site where we are building a new Ministry of Transport.

I booked with Chuck Bazzy during the convention. Will be heading over there in December for Nubian ibex.

MAH, who is the ph? IS it Angelo Dacey?

You are correct.

Can someone tell me something more about this hunt? what species are available? How much?

Thanx

This is specialized hunt basically for Nubian ibex. Both Eritrean gazelle and Salt's Dik-Dik are available on this hunt in the Red Sea Hills. Regarding price, I booked through Chuck Bazzy, #248-851-1707.

http://www.sudanwlsaf.com/index1.html

here the web site of Angelo Dacey

MAH,
Can you tell us a little more about the hunt you have booked? How many days are you booked, travel time from airport to hunting area, other game that might be available, etc...

Please report back after your hunt and let us know how it went. The more I look at that website, the more intrigued I am.

Good luck on your hunt for Nubian Ibex.

DPHILLIPS, you are not alone in being intriguied about that site.

I have read a good deal about the hunting there and if it will be peace there ,it will be one of the most exotic african loacations. It is allready, and filled with history,like the dinkas, Churchills first combat action. the famous Nubian acrchers that was the elite unit in the egyptian army and much,much more.

DPHILLIPS, I have 10 hunting days booked. Other game available on this hunt include Eritrean Gazelle and Salt's Dik-Dik. This is basically a specialized hunt for Nubian ibex. I need this ibex to complete all the world's ibex (12)
Of course this and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee. I'll let you know how things go when we return.

MAH, Good luck on your hunt. When I talked to Chuck we were actually talking about down south.

MAH,

Haven't seen this thread before now, but am sure you'll enjoy your stay in Sudan. I didn't get to hunt while there, but was told that besides the hunting up in the Red Sea Hills, quite a few locals hunt gazelle northeast of Omdurman/Khartoum. Although I don't know if this was legal!

I suggest that you spend some extra days seeing some of the interesting sights in Sudan. And the historical museum in Khartoum is well worth visiting too IMO.

Some various Sudan photos:

X-mas eve 2002 in Darfur, near Nyala:


Stuck near An Nahud, Darfur:


Desert village:



Dervish priest:



Dervishes:



Whirling Dervish:


English war graves:


Trapped by donkeys on the ferry to Atbara:


Exploring the Noble pyramids at Meroe:


More Meroe pyramids:


Inside a Meroe pyramid enterance:




Good luck, and let us know how things went when you return! Despite various problems, Sudan is an interesting country that I am glad I spent time in.

Ps. be careful about what and who you take pictures of. They're kind of paranoid about that in Sudan.

Erik, Thanks for sharing the pictures and advice. I appreciate both and will keep you posted when we return. cheers--Mark

Also, don't forget to try a typical middle class Sudanese breakfast in Khartoum; half a grilled spicy chicken. I have to say that some of the best grilled chicken I've had anywhere in the world was in some of the tiny street restaurants and stalls where many sudanese eat breakfast between 09:00 and 10:00! The shawarma (a kind of chicken or mutton wrap) found in in street stalls in Khartoum is good eating too!

shawarma is what is normaly mistaken for being kebab in norway, great you got it right "Indiana" Erik !!

When i saw the pictures from sudan,i thought that i had mistakenly seen some pictures from the new Indiana Jones movie. It is more egyptian than Egypt.

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Originally posted by MAH:
DPHILLIPS, I have 10 hunting days booked. Other game available on this hunt include Eritrean Gazelle and Salt's Dik-Dik. This is basically a specialized hunt for Nubian ibex. I need this ibex to complete all the world's ibex (12)
Of course this and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee. I'll let you know how things go when we return.

Good luck, we'll be waiting for the report and pictures!!!

MAH,

Since you'll be travelling with your wife, you've probably been told already that pants (or preferably a long skirt that goes all the way down to her ancles) is a good idea for her when in town. As is pants for you instead of shorts. A long sleaved shirt instead of a t-shirt is also a good idea for women when in town. When out of town though, we didn't bother too much with the long sleaved shirt for Anne Cathrine, and she wore pants as it was the only practical thing for her to do. A skirt isn't very handy when you're digging out a Land Rover stuck in the sand!

She also wore a scarf covering her hair most of the time while walking around Khartoum, especially if she was walking in Khartoum alone to go shopping for food etc. (Btw, Khartoum is probably the safest city we've been to in Africa! Even at night, crime isn't a problem. This is probably due to Sharia law, where the feet or hands of thieves are amputated). When together with me, she didn't always bother with the scarf, but sometimes she put it on just to blend in the crowd as much as possible. The thing is that she's blond, and thus sticks out like a sore thumb amongst black/arabic Africans. She's actually considered dying her hair black next time we drive around in north Africa, just to blend in a bit more on the street. On the otherhand, I did get some tempting offers from men who wanted to buy a blond woman. But what would I do with 50 camels?

Sudan and Mauritania was really the only 2 countries in Africa where we took this kind of thing seriously. Although we both wore pants quite often in when in town thru a lot of north Africa. Out in the desert though, we did as we pleased.

However, as I would think you won't be wandering the streets of Khartoum alone like we did, your wife won't experiance any harrasment even if she walked around town in a bikini! So don't let my advice bother you too much!

Will you be spending time in Port Sudan or Khartoum while you're there?

Be assured that despite some unpleasant experiances, we would gladly go back to Sudan and spend a few more months there exploring!

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On the otherhand, I did get some tempting offers from men who wanted to buy a blond woman. But what would I do with 50 camels?

How does 'Erik's Camel Trips and Exotic Animal Theme Park' grab you? Now think food stands, vending machines, tanning lotion sales... Where's your insight, man?

You can buy your wife back in two years, tops. Hell, everybody wins!

KG

Damn! Why didn't I think of that possibility myself? And after a while, I could have turned it into a worldwide franchise! I guess I'm destined to being an explorer, and not a shrewd businessman...

Or the rent the camels out to sheiks that can have camel races with them.

Walteher and Saeed in a race live on AR and peole can buy raffle tickets and win great prices like a rifleset from Peter hofer and a Safari with miss Illum Berg afterwards. Erik as a fellow Norwegian i say here, you blew it, !!(LOL)

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Originally posted by MAH:
This is basically a specialized hunt for Nubian ibex. I need this ibex to complete all the world's ibex (12)

Can you provide us with a list of the 12?
Gredos
Southeastern Spanish
Rhonda
Beceite
Alpine
Altai
Gobi
Mid-Asian
Persian
Sindh
Nubian
Himalayan

Is this right?

Could you provide us with your preference of the most interesting to hunt, favorite area to hunt Ibex (most fun hunt), the most striking in appearance, or any other preferences you might have for one over the others? They just seem to be beautiful and fascinating animals. Have wanted to hunt them, and am hoping if the Sheep gods smile, I'll be able to get time to hunt the Mid-Asian if I ever get this Marco Polo Sheep hunt booked.

I will probably be in Juba again in October 2006. While I am there I will check with the Southern Sudanese authorities about their plans to open up hunting in the South. Sudan is a big country, and now that it is divided in two what is valid in the North may not be valid in the South, at least in terms of regulations and permits for hunting. Certainly the biotope is radically different in the South from the North.

DPHILLIPS, You are correct with the 12 species of ibex. Some often are called other names such as the Persian is the same as the bezoar. Regarding which is the most interesting to hunt, heck, I'd be hard pressed to say. All offer interesting areas, Pakistan, Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan, Turkey, Spain, in beautiful mountain settings. I love hunting these animals as they offer a true, fair-chase, mountain hunting experience. Some of the mountains are more challenging than others, with most more difficult to hunt than sheep. I've taken most all of these ibex with a handgun, Encore or XP, and that added a bit more challenge. However, both turs have provided even more challenging hunts. Best of luck on your Marco Polo hunt.

MAH,
Thanks for the reply. I can appreciate the non-committal response on picking a favorite. Depending on the outcome of back surgery, the MP sheep hunt will be booked or not, can only dream about it until then.

Best of luck on the Nubian Ibex hunt, sounds like a fantastic experience in a really interesting area.

I have just been contacted by Chuck Bazzy and informed this hunt has been cancelled due to sanctions. I'm trying to sort out the details at this time. I had already booked airfare and paid a deposit back in February.

Sanctions? Would it help to fly in via another route? Or has it become generally illegal for you as an American citizen?

I hope you're able to work it out somehow.

Erik, The booking agent, Chuck Bazzy, informed me it was not possible. Maybe another day

MAH,
Did Chuck say it was political sanctions keeping U.S. citizens from traveling to Sudan, or was it because US FWS wouldn't allow hunting/import of Nubian Ibex?

Sorry to hear your hunt won't take place.

MAH,

Can you bring a Nubian Ibex back to the US? I was under the impression that it is on the list as not importable here.

Hawkeye47

I have been informed you cannot spend money directly, or indirectly, and I have also been advised you cannot import trophies.

Thanks for the reply.

Again, sorry your hunt can't take place.

I'm sorry to hear that it's become so complicated.

That's really a damn shame MAH. I hope things come around in the near future, so you can visit this interesting country as you planned.

Here's a link to an explication of sanctions imposed on Sudan. This situation has existed since 1997 so it's nothing new.

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/sudan/sudan.pdf

It is possible to obtain an authorization to do business in Sudan with an application to OFAC, which is what my firm did to be able to work in Southern Sudan.