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Dear Hunter We cordially invite you to the excellent hunting ground of the Khomas Hochland Conservancy, situated to the west of Windhoek and consisting of 20 Farms, created to nurture a wide variety of animal species. As it covers 450000acres, we can offer an exciting and challenging hunt, suitable for everyone, as the wildlife changes with the regions. Hunting is by stalking or from a blind. Hunting tariffs: for 2012 For one hunter is € 270 per day (1:1) (incl. 15% VAT). For two hunters € 180 per hunter per day (2:1) (incl. 15% VAT) For four hunters € 160 per hunter per day (4:2) (incl. 15% VAT) For six hunters € 140 per hunter per day (6:3) (incl. 15% VAT) Specialized Leopard & Cheetah Hunt: Leopard € 450 per day for ±14 days. Cheetah € 400 per day for ±14 days. ONDUNO HUNTING TROPHY PRICES Oryx (Gemsbok) (second, €250) € 400 Red Hartebeest (second, €300) € 420 Springbuck.... € 350 Blesbuck ...... € 420 Greater Kudu € 1 150 Warthog € 390 Mountain Zebra € 560 Caracal € 100 Baboon € 50 Jackal € 50 Leopard € 4 000 Cheetah (by chance 3 500) € 3 000 Waterbuck € 1 850 Impala € 500 Burch ell’s Zebra € 480 Giraffe € 2 600 Sable Antelope € 9000 Black Wildebeest € 950 Blue Wildebeest € 920 Eland € 1 400 Black-faced Impala € 1 700 Klipspringer / brown Hyena € 800 Duiker / Steenbock € 300 INCLUDED IN THE HUNTING DAYS ARE: • Transfers from and to Windhoek Airport • All prices include full board and lodging (incl. 15% VAT) • Qualified professional hunters • Licensed guides and trackers • use of 4 X 4 vehicle • Capping and preparation of trophies • Transport of the trophies to the taxidermist • Hunting permits for two trophies per species • Rifles are available for hire We also offer Bow-hunting. We remain with trophy-sized good wishes. PH:Thodo Garbade Onduno Hunting Anka & Thodo Garbade P.O. Box 850 Windhoek Namibia Tel/Fax: ++264-61-231054 Email: onduno@gmail.com Website: www.onduno.de | ||
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US $$$ may help some. Hopefully I'm not the only one clueless on the conversions. | |||
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its about 1.3 now. Jerry Huffaker State, National and World Champion Taxidermist | |||
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It's not that hard, the internet is a wonderful place. http://www.xe.com/ucc/ | |||
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Fox, since the vast majority of African hunters are Americans, and of those Americans the majority are Texans, it's not that hard to offer it in US $$$ either. Thanks for the help Jerry. Unlike the johnfox guy, you just proved it's not that hard not to be a smartass. I appreciate the info. | |||
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How about a binding price in drachmas?  Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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Too hard, just too hard..  | |||
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How about in pesos? | |||
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... and you could prove to the rest of the forum that you have the capability to work it out yourself rather than get spoon fed. | |||
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As you are a Texican and don't want to do the maths, I'll put it in terms you will understand. A good Longhorn bull goes for about a thousand bucks, so; 4 days hunting = 1 Longhorn Wildebeest = 1 Longhorn Leopard = 4 Longhorns Zebra = half a Longhorn Etc., etc., etc... Throw in the price of some good bbq sauce, sweet corn on the cob, and keg of beer for the extras. I say this as an American who has lived abroad for a very, very long time; Could you be any more culturally centric?? The original poster is in Namibia and his hunt is posted on a service hosted in the UAE. The prices could have just as easily been posted in Namibean Dollars or UAE Dirhams. Are you really sure that most of the hunters in Namibia are Texans?? It is comments like yours that give us (and by that I mean us 'Mericans) a bad name to the rest of the world. I'd be careful calling somebody a smart-arse on an international forum because you are too lazy to look it up. It also helps if you have thick skin. This is a tough bunch H. Cole Stage III, FRGS ISC(PJ), USN (Ret) "You do not have a right to an opinion. An opinion should be the result of careful thought, not an excuse for it." Harlan Ellison " War is God's way to teach Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce | |||
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Tough bumch? I'm always amazed how tough people are behind their keyboards, especially you UK guys. Nice attempt at humor though. Adios amigos! | |||
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Was not trying to be funny, I was dead serious. When YOU make ignorant comments like that, you make US look bad. I know it may come as a shock to you but Midland is not the belly button of the universe. And, do try to keep up Sparky; my location says I'm in the UK but if you read it carefully you would see that I'm as American as you are. I'm over here defending your right to be culturally self centered. H. Cole Stage III, FRGS ISC(PJ), USN (Ret) "You do not have a right to an opinion. An opinion should be the result of careful thought, not an excuse for it." Harlan Ellison " War is God's way to teach Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce | |||
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JG, I'm just guessing here with respect to the Namibian hunt "bigtom" advertized, but a lot of Namibian outfitters on purpose price their hunts in Euro. The currency movements over the last couple of years have been pretty dramatic, and perhaps this outfitter sees some security in quoting his hunts in Euro. Were he to list a price in US$, this could be taken as offering the hunt in US$, a currency possibly too volatile (over the last couple of years, at least) for this particular outfitter? If I'm right in the above assumption, the issue would be one of fixing the price in a known currency and thereby (to some extent) isolate yourself from potential currency movements - e.g. of the US$. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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IMHO it is irrelevant that this offer is from Namibia and that it is hosted by a UAE server. It addresses a largely US population and should be quoted in US dollars. Sure I can convert it, but if the outfitter is too lazy or inexperienced to do it, why should I hunt with him. The other outfitters offering hunts here seem to understand this basic principle. Also, I was unaware that the Euro was that desirable a currency (particularly in the UK), it may not be with us very much longer. As weak as the US dollars is perceived to be, it is still better than the Euro. I am always amused by the attitude of those of us who have lived abroad. It seems that that trumps being an engineer or lawyer or whatever here in the US. The self annoited enlightened. Lastly the UK is a culinary desert, Texas is not. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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Butch, Your right, of course, you should not hunt with anybody who does not cater specifically to you. What the heck were they thinking; offering prices in a currency that the vast majority of europe uses. Oh, and who would guess that europeans hunt anyway? I'm sure they even have a hard time spellin Afriker, much less finding it on a map. You are correct in saying that you are unaware of the Euro as a desirable currency. It most certainly is. It is evidenced by the fact that it is valued about 30% more than the dollar. Contrary to what you may think, the dollar ain't king and we don't rule the world. I once read a book about Louisana and that makes me an expert on the South?? No, of course not. You live there and I will defer to you on all matters Southern. Perhaps you might concede that those of us who live and travel over here might just know a bit more about it...  H. Cole Stage III, FRGS ISC(PJ), USN (Ret) "You do not have a right to an opinion. An opinion should be the result of careful thought, not an excuse for it." Harlan Ellison " War is God's way to teach Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce | |||
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If the intent has been to give the original poster of this thread a very warm welcome to the AR forum I think he has received the message. Guy makes his first post, probably in his 2d or 3rd language and this is what happens. Regards, Don Trust only those who stand to lose as much as you do when things go wrong. | |||
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BwanaCole I am not asking him to cater to me, but to the audience he is adressing, it will serve him better. To follow your suggestion to the absurd, why doesn't he post in German? I'm sure I can figure it out. Even a well traveled hayseed lawyer like myself from "middle earth" can get that done. Currency exchange rates don't necessarily mean strength. What, no love for the pound? The flight of Euros to US Treasuries is astounding, not a big vote of confidence over there. JGRaider was just trying to make a helpful suggestion. Your post was not necessary and condescending. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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A lot of Namibian outfitters have catered to Europeans for years now, and some are just getting into the US market. A lot of folks there speak German as their 1st language and have tons of German clients so only natural to quote prices in Euros. Give the man a break. If you are so high and mighty and do not have the sense to convert currency then maybe you shouldn't go and hunt Namibia? Just saying. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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Thanks Larry, thats what I was trying to get at but less eloquently. Butch, my point is that it is exceptionally arrogant to simply expect that everybody on the planet caters to us (Americans). It probably is true that most hunters going to SA are American and I would even grant that a fair few of them may be Texans. Not so for Namibia. The vast majority of Namibian clients are going to be European. The Euro is the currency of choice for anybody dealing with Europe. Wether I prefer Pounds Sterling, Dollars, Crowns or Swiss Francs is irrelevant; we spend Euros abroad. And why isn't the orignal post in German (though, it could be; his website default language is German)? Because the lingua franca of the world is English. The Dollar does not hold the same cachet. It is only one of several currencies that are accepted world wide. Contrary to what JGRaider might think, this forum does not cater only to Americans. I think he might have missed all the other forums of hunting elsewhere in the world filled with non-US hunters. H. Cole Stage III, FRGS ISC(PJ), USN (Ret) "You do not have a right to an opinion. An opinion should be the result of careful thought, not an excuse for it." Harlan Ellison " War is God's way to teach Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce | |||
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Bwana, if you knew anything about Midland TX, you'd know it has the lowest unemployment in the USA, it's located in a very oil rich area, and there's thousands of folks around here that could buy and sell your azz with their pocket change. Your arrogance is laughable. Putting faith in the euro is laughable also. | |||
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Thanks BEGNO, you obviously get it. As for some of the tough guys here it went right over their heads. | |||
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I'm sure bigtom is breathing a sigh of relief that he won't have to host certain forum members. Some client just aren't worth the hassle. | |||
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He must be too busy with European clients anyway.  | |||
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I get the strong impression that you have not travelled or hunted overseas. When you do, I hope you will find what most of us discover, the world is an amazing place with lots to learn and experience and the people who host us as International hunters are an amazing bunch with a lot to share. | |||
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I've been to Mexico several times but not overseas. The reason I came over to this forum is because I'm intrigued by the African experience, and I wanted to learn all I could about it, not argue with some smartazz who wants to personally attack me and where I live. I have already learned a lot here. The way you present yourself I feel like I could learn alot from you on the subject also and I appreciate that. | |||
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Guys, Please, this is silly and not very productive. I hunted in Namibia last year, had a great time, paid most of the bill in our currency, and most of the tip in Euros left from business travels in Europe. I happen to be in Poland now, great country, but I can't wait to get back to the U.S. Saturday. Southern U.S. (NC) at that. This is no way to welcome an outfitter that could end up offering some great hunts to AR members. If you find it bothersome to convert dollars to euros then hunt somewhere else. But don't crucify a guy that got on here and tries to do business on a worldwide forum in one of the few, yes the Euro qualifies, currencies. I arrived here in Poland on the 14th and the dollar has dropped over 15% in value against the Zloty since I arrived. Bad for me, but our currency isn't the be all to end all any more. Namibia is a great country and offers great hunting value in dollars or euros so lets try and keep all this in perspective. Please. And God bless America. If you have seen the amount of the world I have, we have got a great deal. Don Trust only those who stand to lose as much as you do when things go wrong. | |||
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It's sad that you think this is important. Some of the most humbling experiences I've have came courtesy of poor people. People who didn't have two coins to rub together but they would invite you into their homes to share a meal. You may have learned a lot here, and that's a good thing but from your comments you've got a sh*tload more to learn. Maybe the time has come to get your arse out of Texas and into the rest of the world and maybe, just maybe, you'll learn a bit more about how the rest of us live. | |||
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Check your reading comprehension, and pay particular attention to where he went on the attack about me and my hometown. Remind me how it has anything to do with you. You can also go back and read where I've been to Mexico a few times, in particular Sonora. I know all about poor people. I was one. There's lots to love about poor people. That's probably why I donate so much time and $$$ to their cause, especially widows and orphans. I spent the entire season this past November making sure this young man killed his first buck, a fine young man at that, who recently lost his dad to cancer. It was one of the greatest seasons of my life.  | |||
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For that, I congratulate you, many times over.  Obviously there are issues we fail to agree upon, but that's life.... | |||
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Just for the record. I have spent 14 great days in Namibia hunting on a working family owned ranch/farm in the Erongo mountains. Their first language was German and most of their clients were Europeans. They communicated with me in English, quoted prices to me in US dollars and I paid in US dollars. I killed a Leopard and some plains game. Certainly, it is not difficult to convert currencies especially since I have an app on my phone, but like it or not, this forum is mostly Americans and they like to see it in US dollars. It is simply a matter of marketing. I would expect him to market to Europe in Euros, to Namibians in NAD, to RSA in Rand, etc., why not US dollars to Americans. Bigtom's offer is interesting. The area is interesting. It does not make you arrogant or difficult to deal with to ask for the quote in our (US) currency. Many successful outfitters who post here have long ago realized this and post their offers in US dollars. I wish Bigtom luck and good hunting. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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Really?? You were offended because I suggested that Midland is not the belly button of the world?? Okay, let me put it on fairer terms that would include myself: the USA is not the belly button of the universe. Does that go down better?? And before you go down the path of calling me a lilly livered, self hating liberal, I am a 24 year US Navy vet and still work for the US DOD. I LOVE my country, but that does not make it the center of the universe.
Butch, your assuming that the offer was aimed specifically at Americans. That was my point, this is not a US only website. H. Cole Stage III, FRGS ISC(PJ), USN (Ret) "You do not have a right to an opinion. An opinion should be the result of careful thought, not an excuse for it." Harlan Ellison " War is God's way to teach Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce | |||
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Don, this was exactly the point I was trying to make above!! Currency movements over the last couple of years (including the World's largest currencies such as the US$ or the Euro) have been pretty mind boggling. If a non-US outfitter relies on a US clientele, he will probably have to bear the risk of quoting his prices in US$. If, however, most of his business comes from "Euro-Land", it may make sense for him to quote his prices in Euro. If you happen to be looking for a hunt priced in US$, you may decide to look elsewhere - there will Namibian outfitters quoting their hunts in ether currency. On the other hand, maybe you have always wanted to hunt the Komas Highlands, and this might be too good an opportunity to pass... There are lots of other hunts offered here quoted in non-US currency (mostly Euro). A lot of Central African hunts are quoted in Euro - often because the outfitters are French, say. Or many of the Central Asian hunts are quoted in Euro - likely because the US$ has fallen so much in the later years and most clients come from Europe. By far the most hunting in Continental Europe will be quoted in Euro. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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To add to this, outfitters will also have to bear the cost of converting your USD into Euros so they can spend it when they supply themselves from beyond their own borders. For many outfits, that may be one cost too many and so choose to quote in Euros. Larger outfits that cater to US hunters may be better able to absorb the cost into their pricing. H. Cole Stage III, FRGS ISC(PJ), USN (Ret) "You do not have a right to an opinion. An opinion should be the result of careful thought, not an excuse for it." Harlan Ellison " War is God's way to teach Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce | |||
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Masters of the obvious. Of course there are daily currency swings, the US dollar was recently gaining on the Euro. It is called business risk, you price your product to cover any swings. There is probably more risk right now with Euros than USD with the collapsing EU. Like it or not, this web site is viewed "Mostly by Americans". My point remains, to be "most effective" and reach the widest audience on this site, price it in US Dollars. Sell to the majority. BC, no one is calling into question your patriotism, thank you for serving. End of Helpful Marketing lesson. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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Fair enough. Hmmm... I wonder though, and I think it might be very enlightening to see the statistics, the relationship between the nationality of the forum viewers vice the nationality of those who actually book hunts via the forum. I would estimate that they differ significantly. To go even further down the numbers, I would project the relationship in SA would be the closest (and probably Zim as well), with Namibia and Francophone Africa having the greatest disparity.
Lastly, my service has been and remains, my pleasure. It has taken me to places, good and bad, that are even hard to imagine. You are very welcome. H. Cole Stage III, FRGS ISC(PJ), USN (Ret) "You do not have a right to an opinion. An opinion should be the result of careful thought, not an excuse for it." Harlan Ellison " War is God's way to teach Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce | |||
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I seriously and honestly thank you for your service to our country. I mean that sincerely. | |||
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I think you guy's ought to start your own post to argue, and leave this one for the purpose that it was started for! You are not doing him any favors with this. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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That will leave a mark. Now back to your regularly scheduled program which was a HUNT OFFER. As Brett is fond of pointing out. Start another thread about the center of the known universe. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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At least bigtom's post has been kept up top. I only looked because the number of replies and thought it was a good deal. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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