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Guys, we have a place in the hunting camp for one hunter. You can hunt there mid asia ibex or marco polo argalie with hunting guide. the price for the hunt 4000uSD included ibex. if not taken -refound - 1600USD. but the hunting area is very good, so you can see more then 20-30ibexes p.day. the second ibex 2500USD. the dates: arrival Bishkek 21th November. Please contact: aska-tur@extrem-tours.de or you can send a questions to me: info@extrem-tours.de Best hunting Igor | ||
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sorry.forgotten. there are 10 hunting days !!!! very good chance for a wolf. wolf trophy without additional trophy fees. you must pay only for CITES. | |||
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Hello, I am interested in Ibex and in Morco Polo/Argali sheep, could you please offer me a package. I am from Pakistan. You may send email to my personal ID drd.ih@hotmail.com. Regards IH | |||
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FYI, Buyer beware. I booked a hunt through Igor (Profyhunter) and hunted with his contact in Kyrgyzstan for Ibex this past September, 2012. On that hunt we were arrested by the police because the outfitter did not properly fill out all the necessary paperwork or had the proper Governmental Person along on the hunt to make sure the outfitter hunted correctly. With the arrest they also confiscated our trophies, horns and the capes of the Ibex. The outfitter assured us that he would get back the trophies and ship them at his expense in 2 weeks and that we would not have to pay him the balance of the hunt until we received the trophies. On my return I notified Igor of this as he was the booking agent/ part owner of this operation. Igor then changed the date to December. Well guys December is gone and now Igor and his outfitter want us to pay them in full for our hunt before they will ship us the promised trophies. I believe they just wanted to suck us out of our money and not ship us the hunted trophies we took. I believe the skins are bad or damaged at this point and they will be shipping to us either rotten or someone else's animals not our own. First off Kyrgyzstan is a corrupt country and everyone should not be trusted, secondly Igor made all of these promises that he runs this outfitter and he calls the shots with him. Instead of making the situation right , he as added to the shamelessness of asking for our payments before we have in our possessions the skins in hand ( Bribery !!!) Now to add to all of this I was promised and set with our Booking Agent Igor, that we would combine our Ibex hunt with a Roe Deer hunt, well guess what again. The outfitter made every excuse in the book to not take us on the Roe Deer hunt , The Deer hunt that was booked with Igor. Igor uses this web site as free advertising for his bookings and uses the cancellation hunt as a means of attracting clients. We bit on this and got screwed. I can tell you that his pricing he states in the cancellation is exactly the same deal you can get from the outfitter anytime, it is no savings, they are trying to get you to fill an open spot.. If you want more info PM me back here on this forum. There were three of us on this hunt and I will get the other as well to post theirs on here too. Steve - USA Hunter | |||
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Wow, this is certainly interesting! The hunts always seemed too cheap to be true! This should be interesting to see Mr. Igor's Response! You should write this up in a hunt report! Post it in the asian forum. | |||
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I think he did put it in the Asian forum. I was reading about it earlier. Certainly raises a few questions that need answering. Prezman's posts in the Asian section are a bit confusing however as at 12:07 he posts what you see above, then exactly 15 minutes later, states he has come to an agreement to pay the balance, then in the same post states that they will not pay the balance. I may be misinterpreting his statements but would like a bit of clarification. I would also like to hear a bit more about the arrest and what happened to them, how did it get cleared, how long were they held, were their rifles confiscated, etc. Obviously some things need to be clarified before anyone would consider Igor going forward. Yea, things happen on overseas hunts when dealing with different cultures, but an arrest falls outside of that line. | |||
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I see he's posted on a few other listings, but he should make a separate listing, describing exactly what happened! | |||
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I agree. I'd like more details. | |||
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Withholding judgement! I surely hope things work out for the parties involved! | |||
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The timing of these two posts makes me a little suspicious. I can't imagine anyone booking a hunt off of AR without ever making a post of any kind and never making an inquiry post before the hunt? This is a new member with no other posts but to crap on Igor in existing threads? I am a little suspicious. Just saying . . . | |||
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Jason do you know that Steve have not paid the trophy fees? do you know, that Steve have not paid full service? do you know, that we have say to Steve, that we will sen the trophy to USA free charges? do you know, that we have shot the photos from Steve Trophy      Steve, we will not send the trophy without payment!!!! You have paid only 2000USD for hunitng fees Please, make the many transfer for throphy fees - 1800USD Steve with USA hunters in Naryn 2012  | |||
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Igor, was the Steve and his group arrested while on this hunt for the reasons he stated? I am not trying to create a problem for you but just trying to get some answers. There seems to be quite a bit of miscommunication between the two parties and Steve's comments are not clear, especially considering his two posts that are repeated on the different threads were posted 15 minutes apart. Something is missing from this story. | |||
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Dear Todd, On the backway to Bishkek our car had stopped from police. The police has said to our driver - he must go to Karakol. There the police has taken only the trophies and the people have further gone to Bishkek. We understand that the hunters wanted to take the trophies with, but we have said that the trophies we will send free of charge to the USA. We have got the trophies after 3 days from police. All together we have lost 4 hours on the journey from hunting area to Bishkek. I have never promised that we will send the trophies after two weeks. I have said Steve immediately that the trophies we will sent not early as in December. | |||
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Todd, The word - arrest make the show very interesting, but really we have lost only 4 hours because have gone to Karakol by car. nobody didn't sit in prison and rifles from nobody was taken away. | |||
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Curious as to why the OUTFITTER would let the HUNTERS """leave without paying""" for TROPHY FEES in the first place?  I believe its a customary expected REQUIREMENT for hunters to pay before leaving...was there an exception and prior agreement between the two parties? | |||
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Sorry but the hunters should have the trophies with them on the plane ? So , i imagine that as they could not take the trophies with them because they were confiscated by the police ( you did not mention the reason ) you promised to ship the trophies free of charge to USA ? If this is the case don't you think that the hunters are a bit '' affraid '' of what is next on the line ??? I am just asking if this is a normal procedure - taking the trophies with us as soon as hunt is finish ? Thanks for the clarification. | |||
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I have hunted several times in the Russian,Mongolian, and Kyrgyzstan areas. Things don't always go as planned and 2 times my trophies were held over and shipped later. 1 time my trophy was switched for a much smaller one and never given back. Once our visas and passports were held for 3 or 4 days because some hunters in our group hunted in an area not covered by their license. This stuff happens and if you can't deal with it you are better off not hunting there. I hunted with the Uuluckman people that Igor books for and shot a magnificent Ibex but was somewhat dissapointed with the hunt. I specified that in no way did I want to hunt close to bishkek because the area had been hit hard by poachers. My booking agent assured me that we would be hunting in the Naryn River area. I had heard great things about the area from Aziz and was really excited about the hunt. When I got to Bishkek my hunt had been changed and I hunted the area next to Bishkek. It was a small area and very few Ibex. We hunted hard and finally got my Ibex on the last day. It cost me $900 to get my trophy home and cleare4d through Coppersmith. I really was dissapointed at not getting to see the rugged and remote area of the Naryn River. Hawkeye47 | |||
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Arrest? Scary business. A little much for me. No offense intended but haven't there been a lot of complaints about these hunts ? | |||
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Profy: I apoligize for passing judgment too soon. I hope you get this resolved. | |||
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To all here. I agree that money is owed to Profyhunter for the hunt and for the trophy fees. But, I have to agree with Larrys that the outfitter/booking agent is responsible to make sure the hunt goes off without major problems. Unforgettably ours did. There also at this point is a lack of trust on my end as what was agreed to prior to us departing the hunt was not ad-heard to. Originally the outfitter told us we could pay him once the trophies were shipped and that he would ship the trophies in two weeks after our departure. Once I returned home they changed their minds and stated I needed to send the money before they would ship the trophies. I am just worried that the skins were not properly taken care of and that I will have nothing to mount or maybe they will not be sent at all. I have been contacted by a Forum member from another forum, who is a "Super mMderator" on that forum (AH) He has offered to be a non bias moderator between Profyhunter (AKA Ibexhunter)and myself. He sent a PM to the both of us stating he would collect the money from me, hold the money and when the trophies are shipped and received By our group in good shape he the moderator, who lives in Canada, would release the money in full to Profyhunter ( Ibexhunter) for payment. I have agreed to let this happen. To date Profyhunter(Ibexhunter) has yet to reply to this offer to complete this mess. If everything was on the up and up and everyone involved knew that the skulls, horns and skins are in mountable shape, why then would they not agree to this. In the end everyone would have there money or trophies and be satisfied. With this not happening, this brings out the RED Flag as now there is something wrong. Everyone who is following this , please let me know if I am looking at this wrong???? Prezman | |||
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I believe its customary to pay in full before the hunting company ships anything. Seems to me, if you were there for a number of days you need to pay the daily fees for those days. If you took game animals during the days you were hunting, you need to pay the trophy fees. Apparently this is post tense for you so what seems to be the hold up? I gather you were there, you shot,..... I'd be mildly offended as a businessman were someone to suggest an escrow service be used to insure I fulfill my obligations. Especially as in this case it seems you hunted and sucessfully took game. I've not recieved or been shipped any trophies before paying in full beforehand.I don't think you should expect different and if you expect the same treatment and deference you recieve in the States as an American Sportsman, perhaps you should stay in the States. | |||
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Prezman, sorry to hear about you problems but i really think putting this on various forums is in bad style. | |||
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Prezman, I think you may be wrong. It is very customary to pay in full before trophies are shipped, never experience anything else having hunted on all continents. Yes, there is a risk that the cape may not be perfect, we as hunters always run that risk and it can go wrong anywhere from camp to delivery at the taxidermist, and some of them also has the odd mishap. I can understand why Profyhunter does not ship, you make is sound conditional that you are happy with the conditions of the trophies on arrival. He will see that as tilting the balance of power significantly to your side. There is just to much mistrust between you and that is hard to move beyond. Hope you and Profyhunter get this sorted at the earliest - cheers. | |||
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Scott King, Huntfish. You dont understand. The trophies were confiscated by the police. They were confiscated because of items the outfitter did not do. We left prior to us knowing if the trophies were returned as we had know idea on our departure if in fact the trophies were ever going to be returned. It in fact was the outfitters idea that we would not have to pay him for the trophies until he claimed them from the police and he also stated he would ship them to us in 2 weeks and they would expect to be paid in full. Changes to this agreement happened after our group was already back in the US. So when we left we did not stiff the outfitter and refuse to pay them. Dont you think at this point in all of this discussion that the outfitter or the outfitters booking agent would be saying that we ripped them off and refused to pay them prior to our departure???? You need to look at the whole picture not a snapshot. Yes I do also understand that mishaps can happen with skins at the taxidermist, but I would have brought them home with me after the hunt and the mishap would have never happened. The other think you seem to miss is I am trying to work out paying them in full. At this point I don't even trust that they will sent anything after I pay. How about the two of you cough up your money and I will send my money to the Moderator to pay the two of you after I receive the trophies maybe this would go smoother then! | |||
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I would have to agree with "prezman". I'm betting the capes are junk. | |||
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You asked a question on an internet forumm and don't like the answer. That I don't see the whole picture shouldn't be a suprise as I offered a reply to your question based on the information provided. At this point, ofcourse its nothing more than a, "He said, She said,...." and no I don't really care. | |||
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Hi Prezman, you asked a question, specific if any thouight you where wrong. I answered having read and re-read all the information provided n this forum. I believe you are wrong. It was for sure not a good experience you had after the hunt - we can all do without that sort of problems, though it does happen. Pay Profyhunter, and no, I do not want to contribute, and get the trophies home. | |||
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While i definitely understand Prezman's concern, that is a risk we all take on every hunt. I recon I have taken over 50 international hunts. I have yet to see one where I paid after the trophies were received. It is customary business practice to pay when the hunt is done. The arrest thing would really bother me. | |||
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The hunt delay caused by the police (arrest?) would not bother me too much. However, and not having read this whole thread, if I had planned to take the trophies back with me, their seizure and delay until after my departure would put me off. I would be VERY wary of any outfitter who promised to ship at his expense...particularly on a relatively inexpensive hunt such as this. The cost of shipping would probably eat up a good bit of his margin (if not ALL of it when all is said and done). Said promise to ship at his expense as soon as everything was paid for would leave me nervous and reluctant to send over $2000 of my hard earned money until everything was in hand or taken care of by a middleman. I hunt and live in the developing world so when my spidey-sense tingles, there is usually a reason for it. Would I send the money...probably, if only because I have that sense of honor. Would I be happy about it and the circumstances? NO! Would I spread the news about the outfitter and make sure he never sold another hunt online if things went sideways? YOU BET! | |||
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Lesson for all- 1. Use an agent. He will be your best ally when things go poorly. 2. Get the deal in writing every time. 3. In many places (CIS, CAR, Cameroon, any "Stan" country) problems happen more often than not. Read Jim Shockey's report on Russia or anyone's reports on CAR. Getting arrested is one thing, getting put in a jail is another. Usually, if you are with a real, legitimate outfit, they can 'fix' nearly any problem except getting out of jail. 4. Do not go to these places if you are scared of anything going wrong. Go to South Africa or Europe or Canada or New Zealand. 5. If you are adventurous and have been in some of these bad places, you know what to expect and deal with it. I was working in Kazakhstan in 2000 and was traveling with my kids. The passport control person grabbed my kids after they went through passport control with me on the other side, and put them in a detention room. I went off, and demanded in the loudest voice possible that I was about to create a big problem. A local guy who spoke English stepped up and helped sort this out and my kids were immediately let go. "A misunderstanding" was the excuse. We got on the plane and made our trip. All of this to say be ready and prepared for a problem as they do happen. It also helps to carry several $100 bills. Good luck on this mess. | |||
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as stated by Dogcat those countries are not for everybody ... so +1 except : i wont try the 100$ bills in our country ..... lol all the best. Phil | |||
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It is my opinion, and standard business practice, that the bill be paid in full prior to shipping the trophies. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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+1 I cannot agree more. These hunts are really for the adventurous types and are true adventures, not just a place to go with a checklist of animals to kill and come home. If you are not in that mind set save yourself the grief and stay at home or go to Southern African countries that have years and years of experience processing and catering to American clients. Even outfitters with decades of experience have to deal with local concession owners, and other local crew who have a different set of values than what we in the West take for granted. Thats just the way it is!!!! | |||
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For those who keep thinking that this was not a big deal. I will explain the detainment/arrest in detail. On the day we were arriving back at base camp from our hunt on horseback. We three hunters and the 7 guides we had were met about 1 mile from camp by another guide. He stated that the police and 2 military personnel were waiting for us at camp. The guides we had then proceeded to ditch all their weapons in the bush along with their rounds. First clue something was wrong! Once in camp we went through a lengthy interrogation from a guy who was the police captain. He took us all inside the cabin, placed his pistol on the table, for intimidation and began interrogating us about the hunt. He wanted to take our passports, all our documentation and also on that day take us back to Karocal for the night. We refused and after a heated argument the police decided to confiscate the trophies. This lasted 4 hours the first day. We had a SAT phone and immediately called the outfitter Adilet. He informed us that he or his father would go to the police the next day and straighten this out. Which he never did. The next morning we decided to leave and head back to Bishkek. We went through the usual check points and at the last one, once again were stopped and asked to take all of our weapons out and all our bags, we waited awhile asking our interpreter what was going on as he did not know, they would not tell him anything. Then at once they told us to pack and leave. Well ½ mile down the road they the police had a road block waiting for us. This time with 5 military guys all with AK-47. They took out interpreter in a separate vehicle and drove off leaving us without someone who spoke English. Then after a 2 hour wait at the side of the road we were menaced by the guys with the AK-47 to get back into the truck. As we got in one of the military guys with the AK-47 entered and sat between us. They took us to the Police station in Karocal, which looked like prison, 4 stories surround by guards and barbwire. They escorted us to the building and took us up each to a room. They then brought in our weapons, interrogated us. Took pictures of us as well as pictures of our weapons, took ever pieces of documentation and made copies, and had us sign a document stating that we had hunted with an illegal outfitter and so on. They originally told us we would be spending the night and would see if someone from the “Department” could come from Bishkek the following day to decide to release us. Once again we had the sat phone and called the outfitter Adilet, he made every excuse why his father was not there. We told him he needed to get to Karocal immediately to help us out. He refused and in the end neither he nor anyone ever showed to help us. After sitting and going through this which lasted over 4 hours, all at once they decided we could leave with our rifles, but not our trophies. At that point we were just glad we got out. We decided that the truck we were driving stood out like a sore thumb and hailed a van cab to take us the rest of the way to Bishkek, we thought they would not stop us again if they had no idea what we were driving. This turned out to be the best thing we did. So for all you guys who think this was not a big deal, put yourself through this and see where you stand on giving the outfitter his money first before he send the trophies he promised to do, which he has not. Prez | |||
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You guys are crazy! The idea of "sh*t happens" doesn't apply to "we got arrested and confiscated our trophies!!!!" Sh*t happens is...we blew 2 tires and had to wait 6 hrs to replace the spare tire! I would certainly be pissed, and I would not trust the outfitter to send me my trophies! When your outfitter can't make it to the POLICE STATION after you've been arrested with his guides...I'm dumbfounded! Profyhunter (which is an interesting choice, because there is a reputable outfit that has been in business for many years and copied their name!) has for a long time posted hunts that are so below margin, that they certainly raise suspicion! There's a reason that most hunts cost a certain amount, you might be able to find a deal from cancellation or maybe even a buddy outfitter hookup...but they are never 1000's below average price! So...at some point, something has got to give. I find it shocking that none of the other outfitters/agents aren't chiming in here! I realize that the less tourista hunting destinations should expect more issues! But having your trophies seized because you're hunting with an illegal outfitter should not be an issue called into question! I highly doubt that the police randomly pick out hunters, drive all the way out into the middle of NO WHERE to interrogate in a YURT for fun! If it was a shake-down etc...much easier to do it close to town, at a road block. Otherwise, we wouldn't hear stories about this happening more often?!?!?! Prezman, I don't know you from Adam, but this is certainly not acceptable. And I'm with you, send me my trophies, and I'll send you a check! I wouldn't pay a cent to this jack*ss! Amazing that there are these reports about Profihunter on this website, and a few other popping up and they're really negative, and there's always excuses etc...it was the hunter who was wrong..blah blah blah. If you're looking for a good Ibex guy, feel free to pm me, and I'll give you my opinion. | |||
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Thank you Oryxhunter for the perfect breakdown of this situation.Buyer beware of a hunt price that seems to good to be true.The real name of the reputable outfitter in the Asian game is PROFI-HUNT from Moscow.I have done 11 hunts with them all with the right results.This guy who tries to mirror their name is questionable. A cheap hunt in a third world country is a gamble and could even be dangerous.Now here comes the "experts"who know all about these hunts through all they read on the internet but dont leave the office chair in front of their computer.I hope he gets his trophys back and next time finds a better outfitter. | |||
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I agree with OH. Way too many problems with these hunts. Personally , i would never go to one of these "Stan" countries with any bargain basement outfitter. Having said that, it is customary to pay before shipment . | |||
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Larry, and the "Stans" is where you'll certainly get to experience altitude sickness, for sure! | |||
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Prez, Thanks for sharing the details....I wouldn't send them crap either before I get my trophies!!! Ya got any trophy pics...I'd say good enough!!! | |||
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Huntincats : there is always two side on a story and i want to hear the other side ... did you never put some money in your passport in those countries? maybe there is something someone forget to pay ... they ve not been arrested but just drove to another place if they really wanted them they will have been stopped at the airport dont you believe? all the best. | |||
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