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Originally posted by cal pappas:
I am in receipt of the same pics and will hunt buffalo and possibly plains game in 2018 with Mark and Basie. I retired the .600 but will dust if off one more time for this hunt and use a .350 no2 Rigby for the plains game. I will take the .350 for caribou this September to get a bit of experience with it. (It's a fairly new arrival from down under and I've not hunted with it yet).
Cheers, and I know Saeed will await my hunt report next summer.
Cal

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I understand Cal is planning a complete write up with all the juicy details.

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:
Looking forward to the report...If all goes well, which I expect it will, I'd like to add this to my short list of future hunts.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:
Looking forward to the report...If all goes well, which I expect it will, I'd like to add this to my short list of future hunts.

If you do, you will be on Saeed's shit list.
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
After the hunt I will write a review for all to see. As Jack Webb said, "Just the facts." Good guess, Larry. Tell me, how did you know??

Tag-along tea boy? Are you coming, Saeed? I know your obsession will rise to new heights. My writeup will be an excuse for you to pen an additional 500 anti-MS posts! It will be an interesting tabulation to catalog your endless MS posts and compared to how many posts you make when poachers poison a dozen elephants or Muslims behead children. At least we all know where your passion is!

Cheers, mates,
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
After the hunt I will write a review for all to see. As Jack Webb said, "Just the facts." Good guess, Larry. Tell me, how did you know??

Tag-along tea boy? Are you coming, Saeed? I know your obsession will rise to new heights. My writeup will be an excuse for you to pen an additional 500 anti-MS posts! It will be an interesting tabulation to catalog your endless MS posts and compared to how many posts you make when poachers poison a dozen elephants or Muslims behead children. At least we all know where your passion is!

Cheers, mates,
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Saeed:
Mark really gets your blood up!

The South African land owner, Basie Kuhn, and I have had little communication. I don't know the laws of SA so I don't know if he will accompany Mark and I. He may do so.

Mark is 68 (I believe) and, after 25+ years of a very successful Tanzania career he is branching off for many reasons. He is guiding for brown bear in Alaska in the spirng and fall with an assistant guide's license and will guide for mule deer in Mexico on his own property. Mark has not had any legal or moral issues in Tanzania regardless of what the rumor mill (many started by you) says.

After the hunt I will do a fair and balanced report on AR and you can do with it as you please.

It has been interesting over the years to see your anger towards Mark grow to unhealthy levels. It is not only truly amazing to count your posts (I stopped doing so after 300) but also to see your words twisted to hypocrisy. I recall you stating a few times if a hunt is legal it is not anyone's business to complain about it. You stated on AR your PH has shot your animals when you were unable to do so. That people who complain of another's hunts should get a life and mind their own business. And the list goes on and on and on.

As stated, I have no issue with you disagreeing with what Mark does or who he is. I do find it interesting your jihadist and endless rants that repeat the same old thing over and over. I know it will conninue to do so before and well after I make my hunt report. And, regsrdless of our respective stance ont the issue, I want to now state my thanks to you for offering a truly free forum to post our thoughts and opinions. (On African Hunting.com I have mentioned AR in passing and the owner immediately deletes any and all references to AR).

In closing, we both are where we are on the MS issue. It would be interesting to catalog your anti-USA posts to see if your hatred of my country exceeds your hatred of Mark, but there is not enough time in the day to do so. My only desire would be for you to spend the energy you spend on Mark and direct it towards our real enemies such as the anti hunters, poachers, and the many injustices in the world. I know that won't happen and, as stated, we are where we are on the issue.

So, thanks again for the best internet forum and its freedoms. I hope you will allow me to post my hunt report next year and not ban me as you did ISS, Zimbiekiller, and Echoannie2. If we ever meet in person I will offer my hand in friendship and appreciation.

Cheers, mate.
Cal

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:
Mark is still hunting with a .577 NE. He is using a boxlock double similar to this one that I own:
.577 NE Double Info

I won’t jump into play in Saeed’s pool of insanity beyond what I have noted below:

The RSA PH information is in the original hunt offer. I am not marketing that PH and that is why he is mentioned by license number and not by name. All detail is there for anyone to clearly see. Here is an excerpt from the hunt offer:

…you can hunt Cape buffalo in South Africa with Mark as your Tanzanian PH*
* (RSA DG PH also present)
RSA DG PH/Outfitter No: Listed in Offer
Ref No: CPM & Expiration date: Listed in Offer

Original Hunt Offer Post

Mark has hunted in many places with clients including to name just a few; Tanzania, Australia, Canada, Mexico, the U.S., and now RSA. He continues to hunt Tanzania this year as well.

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The RSA PH information is in the original hunt offer. I am not marketing that PH and that is why he is mentioned by license number and not by name. All detail is there for anyone to clearly see. Here is an excerpt from the hunt offer:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I was asked who the real professional hunter is in this fake offer.

I have no idea, as the agent making these silly fake offers is not willing to tell us.

I wonder how many of you would wish to go on a hunt - well, I know it is not really a hunt by any stretch of the imagination, shooting ear tagged, farm bred pets - but, let us humor our agent who never stops posting fake offers. But just know the license number of a nameless, faceless professional who is supposed to guiding you?

We have heard all sorts of stories of unscrupulous booking agents who take clients for a ride, here is a perfect example of one, and he makes absolutely no bones about his shame faced business.

Below is his own post, in his own words, so you decide if you would ever wish to do business with such an agent!

There are far too many honest, decent agents who will do everything possible to be up front in their dealings, and would not even dream of such classless, shameful behavior.

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The RSA PH information is in the original hunt offer. I am not marketing that PH and that is why he is mentioned by license number and not by name. All detail is there for anyone to clearly see. Here is an excerpt from the hunt offer:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
There are far too many honest, decent agents who will do everything possible to be up front in their dealings, and would not even dream of such classless, shameful behavior.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
There are far too many honest, decent agents who will do everything possible to be up front in their dealings, and would not even dream of such classless, shameful behavior.

Congratulations, you win today's award for the most hyperbole crammed into one sentence!

Hunts where there are two professional hunters, one licensed in country and one not licensed in country, have been taking place for years and have been conducted by some of the most reputable safari outfitters and PH's in the business. For example, many of the hunts conducted by Johan Calitz in Botswana were conducted in precisely this manner. There is nothing classless, shameful, deceitful or anything else wrong with such safaris.

We have different standards by the looks of it

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
There are far too many honest, decent agents who will do everything possible to be up front in their dealings, and would not even dream of such classless, shameful behavior.

Congratulations, you win today's award for the most hyperbole crammed into one sentence!

Hunts where there are two professional hunters, one licensed in country and one not licensed in country, have been taking place for years and have been conducted by some of the most reputable safari outfitters and PH's in the business. For example, many of the hunts conducted by Johan Calitz in Botswana were conducted in precisely this manner. There is nothing classless, shameful, deceitful or anything else wrong with such safaris.

We have different standards by the looks of it

Fascinating!

A while back when crooked South African professional hunters were doing this in Zimbabwe, everyone was in an uproar.

But when a crooked American agent and his professional hunter do it now it is acceptable??

I suppose it all depends on who is involved??

Some of us have different standards of judging hunting agents, who they represent, and how they advertise it.

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Originally posted by Pondoro:
I have to support Cal on this issue...Mark may be a controversial figure but the way this hunt is conducted is nothing special...on the contrary..

Saeed has become totally obsessive about M.S.

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
It's really simple: buffalo don't hide and it's rather easy to find them. In an unfenced concession, the hunt is mostly about tracking and finding the bulls. Buffalo and elephant roam over long distances so there is often an element of surprise in locating shootable bulls. Bachelor herds can be elusive if they have been harassed so getting a shot can be difficult. But mostly, the shooting is usually pretty uneventful. On private land, the tracking/finding activity is trivial, so the hunt, in 90% of cases, is like shooting a farm cow. Indeed, on many of these RSA ranches, the buffalo are watered and fed like cows and they are habituated to humans and vehicles. So in fact, they are for all intents and purposes, beef cattle with big horns. May as well shoot a cow, the meat is more palatable.

Plains game, on the other hand, are more adept at hiding and escape. Their territories are smaller so the fence may be academic. There is still an element of sport involved in hunting them on private fenced land.

My prediction, "clean" buffalo will soon be offered in Texas. They will be selectively bred for horn mass. And if it's possible to implant embryos in cows (like mouflon in sheep), that will be done.

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Why did you have to post these pesky facts?

Some of us do recognize the difference between hunting and shooting.

In the wild, we hunt buffalo.

On farms, we selectively eliminate what is not wanted from our farm bred cattle.

I do the same here in the back of my house, and never call it hunting

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Why did you have to post these pesky facts?

Some of us do recognize the difference between hunting and shooting.

In the wild, we hunt buffalo.

On farms, we selectively eliminate what is not wanted from our farm bred cattle.

I do the same here in the back of my house, and never call it hunting

Saeed,
Do you let them decide how they want to die?

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Originally posted by Russ Gould:
It's really simple: buffalo don't hide and it's rather easy to find them. In an unfenced concession, the hunt is mostly about tracking and finding the bulls. Buffalo and elephant roam over long distances so there is often an element of surprise in locating shootable bulls. Bachelor herds can be elusive if they have been harassed so getting a shot can be difficult. But mostly, the shooting is usually pretty uneventful. On private land, the tracking/finding activity is trivial, so the hunt, in 90% of cases, is like shooting a farm cow. Indeed, on many of these RSA ranches, the buffalo are watered and fed like cows and they are habituated to humans and vehicles. So in fact, they are for all intents and purposes, beef cattle with big horns. May as well shoot a cow, the meat is more palatable.

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Folks,

I know not all RSA buffalo hunts are like this and I market some that are definitely fair chase but let me give an extreme example of what an RSA buffalo hunt can be. This does not reflect on the hunt being discussed as I have no knowledge of how it will be conducted. I do think this will be of interest to some as it is a true story.

A client has a specific size requirement for a buffalo and wants to be guaranteed that the buffalo be X wide with a particular horn confirmation and a large boss. A safari operator is approached and he says he has such a buffalo with pix to back it up. The client wants the buffalo to be on a small enclosure where it will be easily found. Safari operator says he can provide that also. Client asks if he can shoot from the truck. No problem there either. Client wants to be close to the buffalo to make sure the shot is good. Safari operator says he can drive right up to the bull as they will put out a big pile of feed for the bull and he will be there. Client doesn't really want to follow up the buffalo. Again there is no problem. This hunt did not come about but it certainly could have as all the pieces were in place.

folks might think this is unethical hunting but to my mind it is not hunting at all. The client wanted a particular specimen for his wall and was willing to buy it. The safari operator owned the buffalo and was willing to sell it. Everybody was happy.

Mark