Well she told me what to say!

I was in Zim in 98 and Sir Robert was trying to blackmail the commonwealth countries into buying the while farms one more time. When they refused without assurances he would not steal the money again, he began the land grab. Since then it has been all down hill.

I personally would not hunt Zim today because it provides one of the few sources of foreign exchange which he uses to pay off those who keep him in power. I feel sorry for the people who have been robbed of their inheritance by Sir Bob.

The British Commonwealth has shown no fortitude in dealing with Zim; the US has shown none; and the other African countries have been equally derelict. This is one of the avoidable tragedies in Africa.

On NPR today there was a discussion of the situation in Zim. Unfortunately, I did not hear the whole show;however, it was clear from what I heard, that time is truly running out for Mugabe. Without foreign exchange, he lacks the ability to pay his guards and when that occurs, it is only a matter of time. I don't think it will be six months, but more like six weeks. Kudude

Hello,
Suggest those planning hunting trips to Zim read the warnings posted by U.S.State Department yesterday. Good information to have prior to such a trip.

I just want to quote Dr. Kevin Robertson in his recent answer to whether or not someone should hunt Zim (current issue of Sports Afield, pp. 42, 43)..."Without a doubt, Zim (as we call it) has the best-trained dangerous game PHs and some of the world's finest safari operators. Those who have hung in there through all the current political nonsense have to be admired. The level of service they continue to offer, given the circumstances and the logistical problems, is truly remarkable. In a way, this is what makes Zimbabweans what they are."

Where any of this is headed is a guess but the strength of Zim (and any nation) is found at the grassroots level and the above quote exactly sums up my feelings and experience in Zim.

quote:

Originally posted by dsiteman:
Hello,
Suggest those planning hunting trips to Zim read the warnings posted by U.S.State Department yesterday. Good information to have prior to such a trip.

????--no updates -- last posting is a month old -- where are you getting this?

Woodmnctry: Go to the Public Announcements page of the US State Department. HOWEVER, although I appreciate our government's concern for our safety, most of this, if you check this (the State Dept's) site frequently, as I have, it is just cut-and-pasted boiler plate from previous stuff they've posted. In fact, Zim still isn't listed on their Travel Warnings page (which I think is there strongest warning, somebody correct me if I'm mistaken), but Kenya is and my youngest daughter just returned from there from a mission trip with Baylor Univ. with no problems.

I'm headed over in late August, with the wife. No rifles, borrowing one from the PH. We're going on to Zambia on a mission trip. Orhanages tend to frown on a .375 leaning in the corner. Hopefully we'll go straight through the Harare airport and into a Cessna and up to Chewore.

I've been twice before and, although I'm sure some AR members probably think "man he's either dumber'n a box o' rocks, or doesn't care for his wife too much, or both", quite the contrary, at least on the second part. I care for her deeply, I want her to see a place I care very much for and I trust my PH and Cessna pilot.

Hello Woodmnctry,
Actually it was announced yesterday (Reuters was the first to get it out to the general public I believe) and the various news agencies all over the world often have some form of reports about Zimbabwe, nearly on a daily basis. No question about it, much of the chatter is just hearsay or propaganda, but the situation there is far from trivial and for real in every sense of the word. Trust me, neither you nor I could make up the situation in Zimbabwe. Watch the State Department more often and you will see these reports. The key item in this latest report actually refers to the possible dangers of roving militias(Green Bombers) toward those in rural areas and in particualr the safari operations.
As for this being "boiler plate..." doubt that for the State Department does not care whether you, me or our wives ever go or return from Zimbabwe, that is not their role. As an adult U.S. citizen you are on your own to make intelligent decisions. Now you know where I got this information and one can believe it or not. We all make choices in life, choose wisely.

Never said the situation was trivial or "made up".
Never said I made the decision to go lightly.
And it was mild sarcasm regarding the State Dept's concern, not naivete.

Hello Cazador humilde,
My general response was to Woodmnctry, but since you mentioned it, you travelling to Zimbabwe w/wife, family, etc. is certainly your decision, but to claim not being naive and yet travelling in the face of very serious warnings by the U.S. State Department as well as others, shall we say, "does not compute...."
As stated above, State Department and others have not a personal concern to your travels, but unless you absolutely must go, don't go is the best advise anyone could give you. Perhaps by the time frame you mention in going, some reality will have taken place there, but not likely. Good Luck and God Speed.

dsiteman


who are you?

what are you selling?


are you working in africa?

who do you work for that is related to this subject?

are you traveling to africa this year ?

why are you so concerne4d if people hint in zim?



You obviosly dont have to answer any of this but I often wonder who I am getting all this free advise from.
I think a little more information about you and your motive might help me judge the information and advise from you a little better.


thanks

hunter

Hello Crusher,
You are correct about not having to give you answers and see no value in your judgement regarding whatever I might comment about in Africa or elsewhere. Your questions could be redirected to you or others, but the answers have no value to the topic at hand-Zimbabwe.
I might mention that it would at times certainly seem that others were doing their very best to "sell" Zimbabwe?? Do you plan to hunt there this season?? Good luck.

is there some reason you wont answer?


You are passing yourself as an expert on travel to zim and dont like being questioned. Your passive aggressive non answers are not the topic at hand but maybe they should be.

you have great volumes of bloviation about why no rational person should travel to zim.

maybe you know something I dont about this but how can we tell if you wont give any background for your opinions.

maybe you believe you are so much smarter than the rest of us that we should bend to your will because you say so.

and to answer the one queston you asked yes ill be back in zim this year.

I certanly dont want to sell anybody on the concept. if you dont think its safe dont go.

I just want to know who you are and what you know about this subject and more importantly how you know it.

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Originally posted by CRUSHER:
is there some reason you wont answer?


You are passing yourself as an expert on travel to zim and dont like being questioned. Your passive aggressive non answers are not the topic at hand but maybe they should be.

you have great volumes of bloviation about why no rational person should travel to zim.

maybe you know something I dont about this but how can we tell if you wont give any background for your opinions.

maybe you believe you are so much smarter than the rest of us that we should bend to your will because you say so.

and to answer the one queston you asked yes ill be back in zim this year.

I certanly dont want to sell anybody on the concept. if you dont think its safe dont go.

I just want to know who you are and what you know about this subject and more importantly how you know it.

Crusher,

You nailed the issue.

The internet is great, this Forum is a prime example, but one of its true failings is that the anonymity afforded by the internet allows folks to pass themselves off as experts when you have no clue as to their credibility. Certainly does seem that Mr. dsiteman, or is it Ms. dsiteman, or is dsiteman also Shootaway, whatever, has an axe to grind in this matter that is not being shared or has simply declared himself/herself/itself to be an expert on the matter.

Hello,
Now, now, let's not get carried away because someone is reporting negative things about Zimbabwe. If you can read and comprehend at the same time, you can determine as well as anyone else the issues in Zimbabwe. No, not an expert any more than any of you attempting to disuade negative information about Zimbabwe. I myself have said go if you wish, but personal attacks will only get you dealt a "bad hand." Information I and others have reported here is not fiction, personal beliefs, opinions, but rather that of news agencies or government statements from all over the planet. If any thing is false or misleading it is those claiming that everything is A-OK in Zimbabwe and come and enjoy the hunting!! I am not aware of any PH's or safari outfitters claiming that it is fine, no problesm, just false reporting of the situation, and so on and so on. I am not sure if I were in the safari business in Zimbabwe that I would want to do that sort of thing. Some may make such claims but that is quite risky at this point in time in Zimbabwe. I understand that any negative reports coming from residents of Zimbabwe will get you a visit of some government type.
Again, feel free to launch yourself at great speed to Zimbabwe and let us know if all is fine there. As for an agenda, not anti hunting, hunted most of my life, own several firearms, hold NRA/High Master at Long Range, Master at XC, Distinguished, etc., etc., and could go on and on about my personal background but frankly none of your business. Has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in Zimbabwe, but would only serve for some sort of fodder for you to launch personal attacks. Nope, smarter than that "dude" and would admonish one from personal attacks on anyone, not a good practice to do so publicly. This medium we are using is commonly called the world wide web/internet, capish??

quote:

Originally posted by dsiteman:
Hello,
Now, now, let's not get carried away because someone is reporting negative things about Zimbabwe. If you can read and comprehend at the same time, you can determine as well as anyone else the issues in Zimbabwe. No, not an expert any more than any of you attempting to disuade negative information about Zimbabwe. I myself have said go if you wish, but personal attacks will only get you dealt a "bad hand." Information I and others have reported here is not fiction, personal beliefs, opinions, but rather that of news agencies or government statements from all over the planet. If any thing is false or misleading it is those claiming that everything is A-OK in Zimbabwe and come and enjoy the hunting!! I am not aware of any PH's or safari outfitters claiming that it is fine, no problesm, just false reporting of the situation, and so on and so on. I am not sure if I were in the safari business in Zimbabwe that I would want to do that sort of thing. Some may make such claims but that is quite risky at this point in time in Zimbabwe. I understand that any negative reports coming from residents of Zimbabwe will get you a visit of some government type.
Again, feel free to launch yourself at great speed to Zimbabwe and let us know if all is fine there. As for an agenda, not anti hunting, hunted most of my life, own several firearms, hold NRA/High Master at Long Range, Master at XC, Distinguished, etc., etc., and could go on and on about my personal background but frankly none of your business. Has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in Zimbabwe, but would only serve for some sort of fodder for you to launch personal attacks. Nope, smarter than that "dude" and would admonish one from personal attacks on anyone, not a good practice to do so publicly. This medium we are using is commonly called the world wide web/internet, capish??

The WWW offers anonymity, and this forum offers an "Ignore" feature and you sir, have earned your way onto mine. I'm tired of your fervent evangelical mission and condescending permission for us to go to Zimbabwe if we want…. I hope I miss you at Perry because I don't wish to spoil the experience. Bye.

I suggest building a relationship with a company or PH and then trusting them. They need to work to pay the bills of course but they don't want that kind of trouble any more than you do.

It's spelled "capisce". I know it sounds like "capish" in all those mob movies, but, in actuality, it's actually pronounced with a very soft "shay" on the end. Just doing my part to move this as far off subject as possible.

Speaking of mob movies, my favorite is the original Godfather. Others?

Since we're shifting gears...I like the movie Heat.

I found Made and Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai entertaining.

Guess I am a bit out of the mainstream.

Back to Zim, the person who hunted Makuti after us seems to have had a good hunt.

I'd say so...2 buff, elephant bull, sable, hippo and a nice leopard...tiger fishing too! I look forward to the hunt summaries being put up.

Speaking of that, who are those 2 suspicious characters that hunted tuskless in Makuti??? Ugly buggers, eh?

http://www.buzzcharltonsafaris.com/gallery.htm

Damn Charles, you went and mentioned Zim, now dsiteman will be compelled to issue another "no one but a fool" admonishment to everyone that has been or is considering going to Zim.

[P.S. I checked out the gallery and it did look like the fellow had a great trip. Also saw that Don Causey with The Hunting Report said in response to the latest State Department announcement: "I can tell you I would personally not cancel a safari to Zimbabwe based upon any information I have received, including the latest Public Announcement. My on-the-ground contacts in Zimbabwe indicate safaris are going forward as usual. Indeed, I continue to receive positive reports from returning hunters."]

quote:

Originally posted by yukon delta:
Speaking of that, who are those 2 suspicious characters that hunted tuskless in Makuti??? Ugly buggers, eh?

Ugly I can accept but to "bugger" I must object!

That's interesting coming from Don. Thanks for posting that. That goes back to what I said about having the trust of someone on the ground who knows the situation first hand...works for the military (most of the time).

Hello Cazador humilde,
I am proud of you, you caught that and you are correct. I am sure you also understood fully the meaning of the word, regardless of spelling. I will see to it that you are awarded a gold star for the day!

I've received very serious State Department warnings in every country I've lived in. The Embassy has to do that to cover their ass. If something goes "Blooey" they want to be able to say, "we warned you".

I've received so many State Department warnings that it is a little bit like crying , "WOLF!". After a while no one listens. I like to hear what people on the ground have to say. People that aren't making money off me going there. I also put myself into situations that I don't put my wife.

See the last post on this thread. This is "information", i.e., it comes from someone knowledgeable on the ground, as opposed to some other "stuff" that seems to make its way around.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1411043/m/778109796

Hello MJines,
It is obvious you are somewhat of a slow learner. I never said anyone is a "fool," you said that, and let's be clear about who says what for honesty is critical. Now we have a fellow in Malaysia saying to totally disregard the recent State Department Public Announcement about the situations in Zimbabwe(not sure just how far Malaysia is from Zimabwe, but safe to say certainly not "real close...") plus an outfitter on the ground, as it were, saying that it is A-OK and if the crap hits the fan he will post same on the forum????? Now at last we have someone over there displaying a great deal of confidence and also one assuming a huge responsibility.
Just why the zealous defense of the Nation of Zimbabwe?? Is it just for the pure sport of hunting or do you just not like to be challenged??? Any vested activities on your part or others in Zimbabwe?? As stated before, hunting, travelling, etc. in Zimbabwe is an individual's choice, but to imply and state that no problems in Zimbabwe and come without reservations as to the current and potential dangers is the epitomy of dishonesty. Again, never said anyone was a fool, would not say that, but those who purposely mispeak for others fit that words definition very closely.

PS I understand you are scheduled to depart for Zimbabwe in August/September?? If that is so and you do go there, may you have the best of luck and safe journey. I wish no one harm in any way shape or form.

This place as well as other sites are being constantly polluted by internet sociopaths under multiple logins but all have the same MO, that When questioned directly by anyone for specifics, they always have the same excuses of "it's none of your business, or I don't know how to post pictures", etc.

Lately, it's the same MO of anti Zimbabwe rhetoric without ever having been there and ignoring the many, many recent and positive hunting reports. The moderators here know EXACTLY who it is and have said so, but refuse to get rid of them. Over on another good forum, the 45/70 baiting game is going on, reminiscent of the carmello fiasco when even one's wives were publicly insulted (no I haven't forgotten).

So, we'll just have to muddle on and suffer the distractions this and other sycophants keep polluting this fine place. jorge

Could the same not be said of those whom question the current fee hikes by the Tanzania officals without ever setting foot there themselves?

How do you figure they are similar? Outfitters, PH's and clients are all saying the same thing about Tanz. Apples and (bad) oranges I say.

I could say that very same thing about Zimbabwe.
Many are forum hoppers that see themselves as the the elite of the safari client. They spout their spew as though it is Gospel simply because they say so. When in truth 80% of what they write is pure BS. Kathi's post on another forum was dated a month ago. If in truth these spew spouters were cutting edge they would have been commenting on it back when it was new news. A recent poster to this very thread has never set foot in Tanzania by his own admission the industry there is too high end for him. Yet he's run from forum to forum posting his "indepth knowledge" of the country and it's officals wisdom.

I hope you are not referring to me. I have no personal knowledge of Tanz. and have never claimed to but you are the one who brought that into a Zim topic. Now that I do have some knowledge of but mostly refer to those I know who live and work there.

80% of what is posted here is pure BS? So, now you are the expert on what stinks? Let's not get crazy or anything.

Let's cut to the chase...those who are interested in a place should do the research and know what they are getting into. Simple as that.

YD no it was not directed at you. Also I need not be an "expert " to smell what stinks.
I've never hunted Tanzania but will be this season. in the course of planning this trip I've read a few of the forums that are active on African hunting. The same names keep popping up with comments on every topic. I can't tell you the number of PMs I've gotten here and at other forums telling me what fakes some guys are. like most readers I blew them off for various reasons. But after a few years of reading the topics a pattern does indeed emerge. And I find that most of those PMs were correct about 80% of what these guys type is plain ole horse shit intended to convince others that they are the elite of the safari industry. Unlike you YD whom admits to being to Zimbabwe to kill an elephant once some would have the reader think they shared camps with Roosevelt, Bell, Pondoro, Selby.

Well, we agree on that. This goes back to my statement (3rd time I think) that you should have a source you can trust that is on the ground to get your info from. I get the majority of my info from people that live in Harare and Bulawayo and they travel all over Zim every week.

The internet is good on some levels and bad on others. That's why I try to meet as many people as I can from the internet. Some of them have become best of friends. Take what's good from the 'net and leave the rest.

Hello,
Jorge, a lot more of us on this site than you realize are really tired of your ego, know it all, superior attitude. You just "aint got it buddy..." You have no idea as to who has been to Africa, Zimbabwe, etc. than the man in the moon and yet rattle off out of control about those opposed to travelling to Zimbabwe at this time. It is quite obvious who has been admonished about personal attacks by the owner/operator of this site. YOU!! Let me suggest you stick to something you supposedly know, flying airplanes. I am not impressed with your knowledge of Zimbabwe, those who have travelled there, not travelled there, flying airplanes, or about anything else you may print or state. You are welcome to your opinions on whatever topic, but we all have opinions as we all have other parts of our anatomy. You and all the others ranting and raving about the negative reports/comments/warnings, etc. about Zimbabwe need to deal with it. Not fiction, universal reporting of the conditions over there, and just recently, day ago, Australian
Gov't issued the following: "We advise you to reconsider your need to travel to Zimbabwe at this time due to the high level of criminal activity, the absense of the rule of law and deteriorating economic conditions which could lead to civil unrest at any time." Again, not fiction, not myth, factual reporting by recognized democratic governments, plain and simple! The entire Zimbabwe Government is anti American in every sense of the word and will as soon as possible go with the terrorists in order to remain in power. Surely you of all people should be able to see this end game. No, rant and rave all you want, perhaps even get the owner to ban me from this site, but will continue to tell the truth and not be deterred by those with their heads in the sand and actually supporting a Government opposed to ours and for the sake of hunting. How shallow can you be???? If my stating what the world's press and Government Public warnings are what get's me kicked off here, so be it. I have been to the owner's native land and find that those folks have a fair sense of justice and fair play and usually do not take long in making final decisions. That is also fine with me in either case. Again, Jorge, hate to burst your bubble, but you are just one of the boys, nothing special in any way shape or form. I know that is a real let down but in due time you will learn to live with it.

SPOT ON!!!

SADLY I THINK HE HAS BEGUN TO BELIEVE MOST OF WHAT HE SPEWS AN REREADS HIS OWN POSTS TO KEEP HIS EGO INFLATED!

Well Terrence, in addition to ALP#4 we can now confirm your third login name here. It's amazing how you think people here are so naive they don't see right through you. Try changing your same old gameplan of the same tired old accusations and poor writing skills. (note the use of the "ego" moniker, over and over again by both logins.

Yep, never been to Tanzania, love to go and I hope to get there someday for buffalo as that is all I could afford. I didn't start this thread nor the one about the price increases in TZ, whether I've been there or not has no relevancy. But if we follow your logic, how is it you can talk about zimbabwe (under both your login names here of Alp#4 and dsiteman) yet you've never been there? As far as being one of the boys when it comes to this site, thanks for the compliment, but my very limited african experience pales in comparison to what other forumites here have under their belt. Over an another site you even sank so low (under your other multiple login of MocassinJoe1)as to insult my wife, truly showing your cowardice and sociopathic behavior.

As far as ego is concerned, you got me there, but it has NOTHING to do with what goes on here. I am very proud of what I am and what I've done. Most here know exactly who and what I am, unlike you, a sorry, pathological liar who lives just to create hate and discontent.

And to remind some of the older forumites here who suffered through your last tirade before you were thrown out, Terrence/CATS/ALP#4/dsiteman is the last one on the end at the right. . jorge

I think maybe there is a Sybil-sort of thing working here.

Could it be that dsiteman, shootaway and Alp#4 are really the same person, just different personalities trapped in the same body? Watch for a new mini-series soon . . .

quote:

Originally posted by jorge:
And to remind some of the older forumites here who suffered through your last tirade before you were thrown out, Terrence/CATS/ALP#4/dsiteman is the last one on the end. jorge

The right end I presume, no need to insult Mike P. (Retreever) on the left end.