It’s interesting that the article says travelers must test negative “or provide proof of recovery from COVID...”

I’m sitting here on my last day of at-home self quarantine, having hosted two friends on a 3-day duck hunt, where they both tested positive a couple days after going back home. They called to tell me since we had been in close proximity to each other with no masks for more than 20 hours over the 3 days. (BTW, the duck hunting was excellent!).

I called my doctor to get tested. Doc asked about my exposure and any symptoms (which have been mild), then told me to not bother getting tested. Said I have to quarantine either way but that if I start feeling sick to call back immediately and they’ll prescribe drugs to combat the virus. Doc said if symptoms go away or are mild to just stay home and treat the symptoms with over the counter products.

So, at this point I’m not sure if I actually have the virus or not. I’ve had some mild symptoms, about the same as my friends who tested positive, so I’m guessing I do have COVID. Mild scratchy throat, mild headache, mostly just feel “half a bubble off level”. I do plan to get tested for antibodies as I’d like to donate plasma to help others who are truly sick. If I actually had it.

So, the question becomes; if you’ve had it and recovered, do you still have to get vaccinated to travel? Or provide proof of a negative COVID test? I’m heading to Tanzania later this year and will do what I have to do in order to travel. I’m interested in where travel management goes as 2021 moves along.

DLS...the requirements I’ve seen are either a negative test OR proof of recovery within past 90 days. Not sure how one would obtain that document.
I was told this morning , by a person that had historically been correct most of the time, that the current administration is strongly considering requiring vaccinations for international travelers prior to leaving the US. What a cluster*** if that is required,

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DLS...the requirements I’ve seen are either a negative test OR proof of recovery within past 90 days. Not sure how one would obtain that document.
I was told this morning , by a person that had historically been correct most of the time, that the current administration is strongly considering requiring vaccinations for international travelers prior to leaving the US. What a cluster*** if that is required,

Karl, I am not planning on getting the vaccine, UNLESS I have to do so in order to fly to Africa. I’ve got about 7 months till I have to do that.

I've had the vaccine, no side effects, hopefully it works. I, too, have a hunt later this year, in Moz in September (and possibly others that were "rolled over" from 2020) and I'm planning on doing whatever it takes to make at least one hunt happen this year.

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DLS...the requirements I’ve seen are either a negative test OR proof of recovery within past 90 days. Not sure how one would obtain that document.
I was told this morning , by a person that had historically been correct most of the time, that the current administration is strongly considering requiring vaccinations for international travelers prior to leaving the US. What a cluster*** if that is required,

Karl, I am not planning on getting the vaccine, UNLESS I have to do so in order to fly to Africa. I’ve got about 7 months till I have to do that.

Dan, How hard is it to get tested there? If it is not onerous I would get tested to document a positive then when you need proof of recovery your Doc has something to go on.

This Government is NEVER going to let go of this golden goose. Eventually everyone will need to prove vaccination or recovery.

Your mileage may vary.

Jim

Agreed. I'm not sure if your doctor's advice factored in the travel component.

I would not wait to be tested for the first time until the 72 hour window before a scheduled flight. It can take weeks (and for some people, months) to test negative again after recovery from the infection.

If the test within 72 hours before your flight turns out to be positive, you don't want to have to scramble at the last minute to get written documentation from your doctor that you've recovered and are safe to travel.

You can wait 3 weeks after symptoms began and get an antibody test. This will prove recovery of infection. At our facility insurances have been good about covering it. If not covered cost out of pocket is only $85 here. If you wait a few months your Antibody test will be negative and you will lose the ability to prove recovery of the infection.

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It’s interesting that the article says travelers must test negative “or provide proof of recovery from COVID...”

And, how long will the antibody test be good for, if you know?

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It’s interesting that the article says travelers must test negative “or provide proof of recovery from COVID...”

And, how long will the antibody test be good for, if you know?

Your guess is as good as mine.

So far there are so many contradictions I don't know who to believe.

Some say if you already had it, you are safe.

Some say you are only safe for a few months.

Some say one vaccine is not enough, you have to have two - again, they don't seem to agree on the time period between them.

Some say if you are over 65 the vaccine is bloody useless!

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:

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It’s interesting that the article says travelers must test negative “or provide proof of recovery from COVID...”

And, how long will the antibody test be good for, if you know?

Your guess is as good as mine.

So far there are so many contradictions I don't know who to believe.

Some say if you already had it, you are safe.

Some say you are only safe for a few months.

Some say one vaccine is not enough, you have to have two - again, they don't seem to agree on the time period between them.

Some say if you are over 65 the vaccine is bloody useless!

I do not know a lot about it either.

I did receive the first vaccine almost 3 weeks ago and do know that I will need a 2nd dose. The only side effects that it had on me was a sore arm for 2 days and I felt a little under the weather (not really bad and it may have been a coincidence).

The second dose has been said to have the most side effects. Our health department released the following (take is for what its worth):

Side Effects after the second dose of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine

1. Pain at injection site- 88.2%

2. Fatigue- 65.3%

3. Headache- 58.6%

4. Muscle Pain- 58.0%

5. Chills- 44.2%

6. Joint Pain- 42.8%

7. Fever- 15.5%



Side Effects after the second dose of Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine

1. Pain at injection site- 72.6%

2. Fatigue- 55.5%

3. Headache- 46.1%

4. Muscle Pain- 33.5%

5. Chills- 29.6%

6. Joint Pain- 20.5%

7. Fever- 27.2%



The percentage of vaccine recipients that had one or more of these side effects at a severe level (side effects significant enough to interrupt their normal daily functioning) was 9.7% for Moderna and 3.8% for Pfizer. So, it's a safe assumption that around 4-10% of your employees might need to take a day off after getting their second dose.

For me, its a risk worth taking. Opinions vary of course.....

I have all of those side effects (except chills and fever) nearly every day, even without the virus or vaccine!

I had COVID at Thanksgiving. It was a mild case. It lasted 3 weeks until I received a negative on follow up tests. I had all of the symptoms but fever, headache and sore throat. The most significant symptom was the loss of taste and smell for two weeks, gradually working their way back to full use. I was tired for a day and a half at the most. My neighbor three doors down had it as well and he died from it. I'm 69 3/4 and he was 74. Getting the vaccination has been almost impossible even at my age. I was subsequently unknowningly exposed to someone who cut my hair and who had an active case so I voluntarily quarantined for 7 days, as I was told that I could theoretically get it again. I subsequently tested negative thereafter. By the way, I had been quarantined in the house since February only going out for doctor's appointments. My wife and I got it from our oldest son who quarantined as well, but had gone to a church meeting attended by only 5 others. All wore masks, etc. Someone there had it and exposed him. COVID is no laughing matter. The seriousness of it with individuals seems to be a roll of the dice. My mother lives in another state (Utah) and she got it. She is 87. She was hospitalized, but released after three days to go home.

Glad to hear you had it and recovered, UEG. One would hope that will confer some lasting immunity. I am not kidding when I say I have nearly all of the symptoms nearly every day. This thing is bizarre.

Mike,

I had to laugh at your comment. I agree! At 72 I might feel like shit on any day. Thanks for a little levity. We need it.

Actually it's interesting how Covid effects groups of people. It sounds like it's common in UEG's circle. On the other hand none of my family members or friends have had it but several of my clients have had it. Some were quite sick but others described it as less painful than hang over.

Mark

Mark - seriously, I have frequently thought that I should get tested.

But I haven’t done it.

I figure if I had the damn thing, I survived.

Tests are for people who are sick.

Mike: Thanks for the well wishes. I appreciate that. I have been tested four times. The first test was at a doctor's office and consisted of a swab of the inside of the mouth and at the back of the throat. That test took 5 days to come back with a result, and resulted in the first positive test. I have subsequently been tested by the 'spit in the cup' test performed byPremierdx.com. It's so easy. You drive up to one of their locations here in Vegas (you've preregistered online that same day), they check your registration, hand you a pre-packaged test through the window, you park, open it and spit in the cup then mix it with a vial of the testing material which seals it, and then hand them the sealed test back as you drive out. Results come back online to you in no more than 48 hours-usually in just over 24 hours. It's supposed to be one of the most accurate tests to date on COVID. Please go get tested for your peace of mind. You really should. You owe it to yourself and your family. Premier must get paid by the government as if you insurance doesn't pay, there still is no charge to you. I'm sure that you have something similar where you live. Check it out. As an alternative, you could go get an antibody test by having your blood drawn and tested.

Been in Europe visiting
Got the China thing and it wiped me out to couch for 10 days
No energy and some dizziness, slept a lot and didnt feel like eating for days
Bit of a cough and cold
Wasn’t dying for sure
Recovered and heading back home to MT tomorrow with negative PCR test now
Strange times we are living in where politicians lost their marbles completely
Hunting has been awesome BTW...