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Flying from west coast to Joberg via Hong Kong getting mixed signals about transiting through Hong Kong with Rifle and ammunition. I won't be leaving the airport or getting my luggage. but I hear rumors I might need some kind of permit to transit Hong Kong. Has any of the AR members traveled through Hong Kong with firearms? | ||
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Avoid it at all costs! I had my rifles confiscated and took 2 months to get them back! Had to get transit permits issued and a lot of negotiation with embassy officials to get them released. Changing planes in Hk means the guns are in CHinese territory and then you are stuffed. Again , I don't advise flying through Chinese territory with firearms. Cheers Nick | |||
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There are many west coast safari hunters here on AR. None of us, to the best of my knowledge, choose to fly westbound. There must be a reason, yes? Many of us have considered an western route and we have all rejected it as a viable option. What is it you think to gain? Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I have lots of Frequent Flyer miles on United and also Alaska. United is a real pain to deal with on miles. Alaska was no problem but they are Taking me West Through Hong Kong. Just trying to find somebody from the US that has experience with Chinese airports and sporting arms | |||
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i tried a couple of times to arrange an African trip from CA via Hong Kong, Korea, and Singapore using freq flyer miles. seats in business/first class were much easier to get than going the "tradition" route and the trip was only about 6 hours longer in total. the problem for me was the milage requirement was much higher, so i passed on it. i don't travel with a rifle, so that was a non issue. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I spent close to two months trying navigate the waters of transiting Hong Kong with firearms. I emailed with the Hong Kong Customs folks, and the Hong Kong version of TSA. I also talked with Cathay Pacific, the carrier. I emailed with a couple of folks that did make it through. Bottomline, beware!! You will be at the mercy of whoever is working that day and the regs are written vague enough that your bolt action rifle could be construed as a terrorist weapon by whoever happens to have the badge and power that day. You could breeze through!! You could be detained and miss a connection!! You could have your arms confiscated (and I checked with my gun insurance folks and they said it is the ONLY thing they don't cover) You could end up in prison. I kid you not……it's a roll of the dice. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Got the following from the Hong Kong police link on Cathay Pacific's website. Seems pretty cut and dried that you can not even transit Hong Kong with a firearm. Looked at Singapore Air's website and they don't even have a section on traveling with firearms so no idea there. "According to the Laws of Hong Kong, it is illegal for the residents of Hong Kong, visitors or transit passengers going through Hong Kong International Airport, to carry the following items within the territory of Hong Kong, irrespective of whether these items are stored in the hand-carried luggage or hold luggage : Firearms and Ammunition According to Section 13 of Cap 238 《Firearms and Ammunition Ordinance》, Laws of Hong Kong, NO person shall have in his possession any arms or ammunition unless he/she holds a license for possession of such arms or ammunition or a dealer’s license for such items." | |||
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Ummmm, I would suggest that almost all of the US W coast hunters fly eastbound. HK is to the W......  xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Guys Lots of misinformation here I have been travelling through Hong Kong since 1970's with firearms and there are no problems I have invited friends to hunt in Hong Kong and without problems There are ways of doing things There are 264 firearms licence in Hong Kong and I have one or them since 1969 Good hunting boys | |||
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Londonhunter is right. He has a license and for him it is not a problem. The other seven billion of us do not and it is a major violation to do so without a license. Taking his post as gospel, there are 264 people in the world who can do this. Everyone else, stay the hell away. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Hongkong is pretty wired with its gun laws. If you are swiss or have swiss friends you can shoot some assault rifles at a Island in the Hong Kong special administrative region. https://sites.google.com/site/srahkg/ Great city even if it is not very gun friendly. Mike | |||
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Fixed it. My compass musta got confused!  Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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This what I came up with from the ipsc.invision.com a forum for international competition shooters It looks to me after I received this info flying through Hong Kong is very doable. This is from Vince Pinto one of the Moderators on that forum (The primary issue is that Hong Kong Airport lacks a facility on the tarmac for the temporary storage of arms and ammunition. If it's only a 1-2 hour transit, they'll just send a warm body to guard them, but they'll grab you from the transit lounge and ask you to identify your bags. This is because they know the guns are there but, despite the tags, they want physical confirmation they are guarding the correct bags, not a suitcase full of Hello Kitty dolls. If the transit time is longer, as is the case with you, the guns must be taken to Customs inside the terminal for storage in their armoury. This is when it becomes a pain in the neck, because they require the owner to be present and to sign the forms. Customs (and Police) are cool guys, and they're just doing their job, but the process is labourious. It's the Airport Ninjas Security guys (they weigh 90lbs wringing wet, but they carry a large black toothpick night stick!), who usually behave like they found a nuclear device. Be afraid. Not! Anyway, the document below, which I prepared in respect of the World Shoot in Bali, should answer your questions.) Attached File hongkong.pdf 129.81KB 7 downloads The download may not work I'm not sure how to attach it | |||
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Hope it works for you. personally I'd love it if I could fly Cathay Pacific with no firearms worries. Please report back after your trip. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I will Frostbit, those competition shooters seem to think its not a problem. I also was in contact with Hong Kong Airport police and she told me what to do also so I'm feeling confident that it's going to be a bit of a hassle but not impossible | |||
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I felt the same as you when I was looking into it. I think I still have most of the emails if you would like to read them PM me an email addy. The final concern was that it felt like a different answer to the same question depending on who I asked. The real problem would be if someone in power that deal feels you needed an import/export license that you did not actually have. I had a five hour connection on the itinerary. Not a lot of time to smooth over any rough spots. Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Sounds like eastbound is the way to go period. Never trust Chinese with anything, they think, they can rule the world. " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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I'd give them credit for endurance. Been around a long, long time. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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How many times have you been to China to come up with that insightful remark? Ive been there too many times to remember and I don't think any of them believe they can rule the world. With that said, I know many that could point out the improper use of a comma in your sentence. With that said... I would not travel through HK with guns. | |||
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bashaw, I would still avoid China. If not mistaken, United is part of Star Alliance. I traveled to Kimberly, South Africa last year using my U.S. Airways miles. U.S. Airways is at least for the moment still a member of Star Alliance. I was going through the same challenges you were when one particular day, a helpful employee at U.S Airways pointed me in the direction of a website to use, and also encouraged me to check as frequently as I can as things change rapidly. Go to: www.aeroplan.com You will have to register, but it's free. Within the website you'll find a place where you can "Use Miles." From there, start planning a route. Be open to trying other cities on the U.S. end. I live in Phoenix, but my tix were booked LAX to Kimberly. Yup, had to make it over to LAX on my own, but in the end I got it done with a routing through relatively gun friendly Germany. Once you find a route on the days you want to fly, get all of the information down on paper...flight numbers, cities, etc and call United to get it booked. If you have any issues, shoot me a PM with your phone number and I'd be glad to call you. | |||
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Vince Pinto over in HK is the IPSC vice president, and as I recall a distributor for glock or some such. Probably one of those 264 folks. He's a expat Aussie I believe, and a friendly guy. If I HAD to go thru there, he's the guy I would talk to and see if he could help grease the ways. The stuff that was up on the ipsc forums is related to the world shoot they had over in the Far East a few years back. Believe me, traveling with a high cap handgun is much more "interesting" than a hunting rifle. Did that once, doubt I will do that again (and that was just Canada.) In general, if you have friends and time, I would believe its possible. I know a guy who shot the WS and I don't know if his flight connected with HK or not, but he did say it was an adventure. Enough prior planning will prevent jail- but it may not prevent sitting in HK for a week getting everything straight with the po-po. However, for trying to use FF miles to save a few bucks, its probably way more aggravation that its worth, and given the costs of a safari, I would rather travel without guns via that route and rent one. | |||
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You might have been there but you didn,t live under their rule. I have grown up and lived under commie rule. The party leaders don't just wanna rule their own people ruthlessly, but also rest of the world. They simply don,t care. To them, it is all about control. And you have absolutely no clue Dude ( bhtkevin )and if you wanna defend China, move there for good. Raise your children and try to abide by all of their rules and you are gonne get quite the rude awakening. " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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I talked to Vince and that is where I got my info | |||
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