Folks Im a died in the wool pre 64 mod 70 winchester guy but I need a .270 and the only Mauser I ever handled was one of my Dads friends back in late 60's.
What can you Mauser gurus tell me about this gun as its calling my name! Thanks in advance for any advise good or bad.
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very best win poor

The guys who weren't shooters in the 50s-70s will all tell you it's ugly, etc. I like it. If you just had to, you could reshape/rechecker the stock more to classic standards. The metal needs nothing, the best commercial bolt action ever made, with possible exception of Oberndorf or Brno sporters. Make an offer. By the way, it is a European version, integral rear sight.

thanks Mr FL 06, crazy stock is kinda neat, I would not order one like it, that original owner is probably long gone to that big range upstairs. very best win poor

Winchester Poor - I was just looking at that FN .270. If you can get past the carving on the stock, that is a heck of a deal! That FN is not unlike the Browning Safari's from the 60's and 70's. They are made with outstanding quality, fit and finish.

I would buy it, fit some rail claws to it, and maybe pick up an english style stock (or send it to AHR and have Wayne stock it).

Bottom line - That thing will go a few more generations... Great deal, for sure...

The rifle is a standard FN Deluxe 300 that someone has done a lot of work and restocked. I could not tell from the pictures whether it had a 3 digit or 4 digit serial no. Either way, its probably a single C-Cut action like a 98 Mauser. One thing to think about is the stepped barrel which makes it a early FN and also makes it rather heavy. Still a very good rifle.

That scope looks to be mounted a bit far aft, and without any options to adjust...

Are those half rings soldered on?

The stepped barrel versions do make those rifles feel a little hefty, especially with a small bore like 270 and a scope & mounting system like the one pictured. I have an identical 270 with factory stock, Lyman 48 receiver sight, step barrel, it balances perfectly and feels just right.

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Originally posted by montea6b:
That scope looks to be mounted a bit far aft, and without any options to adjust...

I'm guessing that scope has rather short eye relief...

The gun is a heck of a gun!

The carved stock is growing on me! Im gonna sit in my favorite stand and study some old guys handi-work, Im going to find a 130 gr accubond load that this thing will shoot into less then an inch( I hope). This is the first non pre 64 mod 70 that has 'called my name'.I am a sucker for fine metal work, its artwork to me. At any rate Im gonna put one more 'freezer meat' deer up with it.
If any of you folks know anything about these guns from the markings to time line,history etc. it will be appreciated. I can quote most of Mr Rules mod 70 book from heart but know absolutely nothing about this FN Mauser.
Mr Stonecreek is a great guy to gun trade with! Thank the Good Lord cattle prices are the highest I have seen in my 60 years... very best win poor
Remember the toes you step on going up, for they may be attached to the ass you kiss coming down!

Congrats on your new purchase WP!

That outta get'r done on whitetail, that's for sure. We'll expect a range report post haste!

BTW - That was a great price on that gun!

JDA

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winchester poor: I'm a sucker for fine metal work, its artwork to me

Good buy, your M70s won't come close to the metal work on this, rifle was probably made 1950-1952, take it out of the stock, date is below woodline.

Can anyone tell from the proof marks if this gun was made for the American market? I am evjoying research but for some reason the Mauser website banned my IP ,I never made a post! very best

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Originally posted by winchester poor:
Folks Im a died in the wool pre 64 mod 70 winchester guy...

You should have followed your instincts and bought a Pre-64 M70 270. Old M70s are improved Mausers--better safety, trigger, bolt release, bolt handle, bottom metal, breeching, etc. Why take a Mauser action and add these refinements when they come already made on a M70?

I will not be the first or last bad move, mistake or quite possibly the best gun move Ive ever made, time will tell, I can say that with our whitetail season going out tomorrow at sundown that it will be next year before I fold a deer up with this .270, I brought in 4 new mod 70's this year and every one has provided a one shot bang flop except the Laredo in 7 STW, I have tonight and tomorrow to draw blood with her. very best

While everything vicvanb says about the Mauser action vs the pre 64 Model 70 is likely true, this really only matters if you only own one rifle.

I love the FN Mauser, and I think Winchester poor's instincts were good when he listened when it talked to him. It has a bit of period quirkiness, but the quality of everything is outstanding. Sure you could restock it and it would look great in a classic walnut stock. But you would lose a lot while spending a bunch of money. I say enjoy it like it is, and I can't wait to hear the hunting and range report.

I have 5-6 FN rifles in my stable that I need to thin out. We are talking in the $500-600 arena and a couple of Mags in the $7-850 price range. If interested Pm me for mor info. Jim

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Originally posted by vicvanb:
Old M70s are improved Mausers--better safety, trigger, bolt release, bolt handle, bottom metal, breeching, etc.

If you define better as "more compatible with mounting a scope" then I will concede the safety and bolt handle. For an open sighted rifle those points are moot.

I will also concede the trigger in terms of adjustability. (which you wouldn't want on a battle rifle anyway so it counts as an improvement only for sporting purposes...)

I personally think the Mauser one piece bottom metal is a better design, at least the Argentine hinged ones.

Breeching? Well, do you want it as part of the barrel or the receiver? Mausers are certainly easier to rebarrel...

Bolt release? I don't know... better or just different? Winchesters are definitely sleeker, but the Mauser kind of grows on you.

The M70 is certainly updated from the basic 98, I just don't necessarily agree on it being a better design unless you define your intended purpose. Considering Winchester had the Mauser as a starting point, actual credit for "design" doesn't even compare... They stood on the back of a giant.

Just think what we might have if Winchester had Paul working for them in 1930s.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Ah....well...I kinda think the M-70 is really a sort of "improvement" on the Springfield!

Now if Winchester had kept the third locking lug and the pretty positive bolt release (which handles any wayward gas better than M-70) and of course keep the one piece firing pin..then I'd have to call it almost as good as a 98

(Couldn't resist..sorry)

Well said.

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Originally posted by z1r:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Ah....well...I kinda think the M-70 is really a sort of "improvement" on the Springfield!

Now if Winchester had kept the third locking lug and the pretty positive bolt release (which handles any wayward gas better than M-70) and of course keep the one piece firing pin..then I'd have to call it almost as good as a 98

(Couldn't resist..sorry)

Well said.

Only thing missing is "with some Chas Newton rifle design items thrown in."

As an FYI, Winchester around 1930, give or take a year or so, purchased the rights to Chas Newton's rifle designs. To bad they didn't keep the low-wide dual bridges on the receiver, sure would have eliminated which bases to use...

Get it!

I have an FN Commercial in 9.3x62. I. AM. NOT. SELLING. IT. (And I'm still in my 20s...)

I don't think we should be commenting on a rifle that is for sale on the classified section of AR particularly in the negative that is only opinnion and not fact...that should be between the buyer and seller only..

On the positive side I will say the rings and bases new would set you back about $1400 to $2000. A good FN barreled action is worth $500. I will not comment of the negative, but the postive out weighs it all to hell.

You need to buy the FN to get it out of your system. But that's the only reason, unless you are overcome by nostalgia. I have owned two 98s. One was a real sweet custom job in 257 Roberts, the other a .270 Win. I had to finally get rid of them. Even though I put a speedlock in one of them, they are S L O W. The speedlock made the bolt lift extremely heavy. I found the 98s heavy, clunky, and just not as refined as a 70. Still, you will never be satisfied until you own one.

Yeah, in December I shot three animals with my 7x57 98, a whitetail buck at 175 yds, a BIG sow at 150, and a small sow at 225. The slow locktime really comlicated things. As I recall it went something like this: Center crosshairs on point I want bullet to impact, take a deep breath, slowly squeeze the trigger, watch animal fall over dead. Ok, the last little sow despite being hit in the heart ran 50 yds before piling up. Still, bullet hit right where I wanted it to.

I find my pre-64 mod 70 to be clunky. The grip is horrendous. Perhaps that is why it just sits in the safe.

BINGO!! That 1.1 ounce difference proves the M70 is stronger!!

Giggles indeed.

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Originally posted by MikeG50:
You need to buy the FN to get it out of your system....... I found the 98s heavy, clunky, and just not as refined as a 70. Still, you will never be satisfied until you own one.

That's funny, I share your sentiments, but in reverse...

I favor the Mauser, (own 7 of them) but for a long time have wanted to pick up an M70 just to scratch that itch. Problem is all my Mausers have been relative bargain finds, I would spend twice as much on what would be just a pedestrian Winchester.

I guess I could always restock, it's not like any of my Mausers came with nice wood!

Hmm, I think I'm taking a little grief? :-)

Well, all these rifles are nice and the differences are miniscule. So, you have to judge, and you form your opinions, based on miniscule differences. Just as some like Chevys and some like Fords, I simply don't like the Mausers even though I had a couple upper scale versions. The difference in lock time on the two rifle is markedly different, in my opinion. You can hear it, you can feel it, it makes them feel and seem archaic to me. I certainly don't mean to denigrate someones favorite rifle, but I will never be tempted to buy another 98. Ugly bolt release, unnecessarily large bolt shroud, weakening notch in side of receiver,lacking attractive bolt handle shape. Oh, and the wives of 98 owners aren't quite as attractive either. Just kidding guys - it's all a matter of taste.

Um... I find these M98s to be far more attractive than the typical M70...

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Originally posted by capoward:
Um... I find these M98s to be far more attractive than the typical M70...

"My blond is prettier than your brunette."

The real question is: "How much did it cost to pretty up those Mausers??"

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Originally posted by vicvanb:

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Originally posted by capoward:
Um... I find these M98s to be far more attractive than the typical M70...

"My blond is prettier than your brunette."

The real question is: "How much did it cost to pretty up those Mausers??"

Ah but when you throw the bottom metal in it's my knockout redhead against your plain-Jane blond!

A little while back I purchased an FN Mauser, sight unseen off the web, from Joel Dorleac in France.

From the little information I can gather the rifle was made by Doumolin some time back in the early to mid 60's and sports a Dalcour barrel.

I was quite pleased with the condition which was exactly as Joel had described it in his description.

It is chambered in 7x64mm and I only recently had a chance to test it at the range with some factory ammo i managed to scrounge up.

Groups fired by myself, as well as another seperate shooter, all went in to 3/4" at 100yds.

Not bad for a 50+ y.o gun with factory ammo and no other work (trigger, bedding etc) done.

Most of the other firearms in my safe are either Winchesters or based on Winchester actions and yet I have developed a soft spot for these "old" guns.

Great purchase Winchester Poor, I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine.

Paul.

Sounds like you have a very nice FN Mauser Paul.

Many FN Mausers were imported into the USA in the 50's and 60's before the '64 Gun Control Act was passed. The only problem they exhibited was that so many shot so accurately that they're still in their original 30-06 or 270 Winchester chambering.

Paul, sounds a cracking rifle mate. I have an FN Commerical 9.3x62. What I wouldn't give for a matching one in 7x64

Quote by Capoward;

"Sounds like you have a very nice FN Mauser Paul.
Many FN Mausers were imported into the USA in the 50's and 60's before the '64 Gun Control Act was passed. The only problem they exhibited was that so many shot so accurately that they're still in their original 30-06 or 270 Winchester chambering."

Jim, I have very limited information on this firearm apart from what is inscribed on the barrel.
I'm only assuming that it is in the original chambering as this one was built by Doumolin with the Dalcour barrel that was their barrel supplier back in the day.
I'm just VERY, VERY happy with the way it shoots and functions.


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"Paul, sounds a cracking rifle mate. I have an FN Commerical 9.3x62. What I wouldn't give for a matching one in 7x64"

Hi Scrumbag, I have a very similar train of thought as you as I sit here in Aus waiting for my Argie '09 in 9.3x64mm to be completed and delivered !

Paul, sounds cracking. The x64 is a fair bit of a step up from the x62. Should do a nice job on Sambar and water buff?

My 7x64 is a Voere (Tarted up Santa Barbara 98)

I quite fancy a 257 Bob next. Thinking a VZ24 will be most likely but if I could find a 1909 Argie I'd be a very happy chappy!

Good luck with your build and hope it turns out a good'un!

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Ah but when you throw the bottom metal in it's my knockout redhead against your plain-Jane blond!

Her name is Sally (not Jane) and one thing she's not is PLAIN!!

I like both the pre 64 mod 70 and the Mauser 98..Both make outstanding custom rifles and both are good right out of the box.

I prefer a Mauser for a number of reasons not the least of which is a mod. 70 blows up it sends little high velocity chunks of steel flying, in other words it fragments and becomes a hand granade..The Mausers on the other hand are hardened only in certain areas thus they puff up like a baloon and the barrel may split but they are soft on the outside and they don't fragment..but on the other side of the story none of them blow up unless human error is at large, but then again humans ain't perfect!

Like both real well, prefer the Mauser hands down. The Mauser is more expensive to build a custom rifle on.

While on the FN Mauser action subject, I have a question, how many of you know that FN also made a small ring, small thread, standard lenght in their supreme 400 series?
They are somewhat scarce but there are, I believe, a few around, I feel lucky to have found one years ago and have never actually ran across another. Had it barreled with a Douglas premium barrel in 6mm Rem., the rifle was my one & only "decent" rifle for some 30 years. --- John

I saw one last year online and like a dummy let it get away. I can't remember where it was .

I can assure you folks that the photos on this gun did not do justice, I could have sold it before I even filled out FFL paperwork! I grabbed 3 boxes of 270 to see what she likes but there is no way I would change stock, the gun is not as heavy as I thought and scope is awesome freehanded. thanks for all the info, I will not be getting rid of my my pre 64 mod 70's, but I will fold a whitetail next season, the take up before the glass break on the trigger takes a little getting used to! no biggie, very best WinPoor

As a side note, the seller Mr. Stonecreek is a fantastic guy to deal with. I found this gun at 3:00 am while helping my wife try and be comfortable battling stage 4 cancer, she liked the gun as well.Long story short, I lost her a few days later, after 34 years and was as lost as a new baby calf, Mr Stonecreek waited till I half ass had my feet back under to complete deal. My hat is tipped to him. Win Poor