The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Rifles Custom Built Rifles Need advise, 300 Win or 300 WeatherbyGo | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
| Need advise, 300 Win or 300 Weatherby | Login/Join |
| One of Us |
Over the years I have accumulated a wide variety of hunting rifles from 17HMR to 450 NE Obviously most do not suit one singular purpose I recently bought a Weatherby Accumark in 308 Winchester, which I enjoy shooting. However, I don't think it has the punch or range needed to be a general purpose hunting rifle for the wide variety of hunting I do. So in contemplation, I have decided I really like the Weatherby Accumark for its fit and finish, exact accuracy and durability and have decided to have one made for me in a caliber that I can take almost anywhere. The problem lies in that I cannot choose the caliber. I want a caliber that is not to difficult to find store bought ammo if needed. So I have decided on either a 300 win mag or a 300 Weatherby mag (note 300 Weatherby mag ammo is not as readily available)My son shoots a 300 Weatherby Mag and we have not had an issue finding ammo and I do have the dies for it. I also have been shooting a TC Pro Hunter in 300 Win mag which I have found perfectly acceptable as a cartridge. I don't like the single shot characteristics of the TC though, especially when something hairy with claws and teeth is the target Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated | ||
|
| One of Us |
You evidently have figured out the keys to loading the Wby case. That would be my choice, or a 300 RUM... | |||
|
| One of Us |
I also have a Winchester Composite / Nichol in 300 WSM which I thought I was going to like but apparently not to be I don't care for the short cartridge's - I prefer the tried and proven longer cases If I listed all the different 300's I have ya'all would have no problem considering me crazy | |||
|
One of Us |
I made a mistake in 2002 when I passed on an Accumark in a 300 Weatherby. Went with an 300 RUM in a Sendero instead. Sold the Sendero last year, now have a 300 Weatherby barrel for my Mauser M03. Go with the 300 Weatherby. Keep your 308 win; that gives you a good battery. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Since I own two Weatherbys in the caliber, that would be my suggestion. I have taken game in NA, Zim and Kyrgystan with mine. I would carry it everywhere but I have a 1951 Winchester Model 70 in 300 H&H that has been with me to Argentina and SA as it is a great old African caliber with nostalga. I get great accuracy when loaded out to the length of what the magazine will allow with the Wby. Versatile, accurate and deadly. | |||
|
One of Us |
The .300 Weatherby is an outstanding cartridge at any range. with today's powders Roy could only dream of owning this cartridge really shines. The case is large enough to use the slowest powders which are usually left sitting due to their burn rates. Many of the surplus .50BMG powders will work well if only for inexpensive pinking. The long neck of the .300 WHBY holds the bullet much better and tighter than the .300WMAG which has been a problem for long range shooters due to brass quality or annealing. While it may be better,it is still in the background for poor accuracy if it happens. Bullet velocity at 1,000-1,500 yards is still screaming. A welcome factor. As for shot to shot cost,I can shoot all day long at a fraction of what my fellow shooters are paying. More beer money is a plus. Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club NRA Endowment Member President NM MILSURPS | |||
|
| One of Us |
I own several .300 WM as well as several .300 RUM's. For Colorado, I think the .300 WM will do just fine, the RUM does just fine and the .300 WBY will work as well. | |||
|
| One of Us |
303 British, 30-30, 30-06, 30 carbine, 300 Win Mag, 30TC, 308, 300 WSM, .......well I guess that's all the 30 calibers I have I might as well add a 300 weatherby | |||
|
| One of Us |
I'd go .300 Win. I actually made my own version of a unfluted Accu-mark when I re-barrelled my .300 Weatherby with a #2 Gaillard barrel in .300 Win Mag. I also have a Accu-mark in .270 'Bee. The reasons that I suggest the Win Mag are that I Don't get any meaningful increase in velocity over the Win and sometimes not as much. I like configuring the Win in a full length mag box so there are infinite bullet seating and distance from land options. The Weatherby free-bore has never produced the accuracy results that seating to the lands has for me. Recoil isn't much of an issue, but it hasn't escaped my notice that the Weatherby kicks a lot more for little or no increase in speed and none in accuracy. That's not to say that I hate the 'Roy; I was using one yesterday and most of the week. For zero to 500 yard hunting it just isn't going make any difference. For what its worth, my current .30 cal inventory is 2 30-30s, 2 .308s, 4 30-06s, 5 Win Mags and at the moment just single examples of the Weatherby and Ultra-Mag. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Remember when if you owned a Weatherby, you were "different"' not bad, just different. In my opinion Roy Weatherby created a great line of cartridges. Anything in North America can be taken with either the 300 Weatherby or if big bear is on the menu the 340 Weatherby. | |||
|
| One of Us |
A 200 or 220 grain bullet in a 300 Weatherby will do fine for a big bear. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I killed a 7' 2" blacky with my single shot TC and 300 Win mag w/175 grain swift. That's when I decided that the single shot version of a hunting rifle gave me a little pucker feeling "down there" All went well and it was DITD after one shot, but I decided then and there that I would not hunt things that can turn around and eat you with a single shot again. Now if the TC had an ejector rather than an extractor I might change my mind. I sure love how that TC handles and shoots [URL=  ]Rory's Bear[/URL] | |||
|
One of Us |
I prefer the 300 Win over the Wby but the 340 Wby over the 338 Win........... Both are fine rounds. You can't go wrong with either. There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
|
| One of Us |
ya, that seems to be the problem.......... | |||
|
| one of us |
My vote is for the 300 Win. | |||
|
One of Us |
Both will do fine but I just happen to like the 300 Wby. Killed my moose and a doe speed goat with a 300 Wby. I think I like it just to be different. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Can any other caliber come close to getting the job done than a .300 Weatherby or a .340 Weatherby.--Are there any others???????? | |||
|
| One of Us |
I'd do the 300 Win Mag as well. The real world difference in velocity and its impact on game is minimal....for a lot less recoil and muzzle blast. I just took a Moose in Alaska at 423 yards with a 300 Win...can't ask much more than that. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Dozens of them. When my chronograph tells me there is no velocity advantage to my .300 Weatherbys than my .300 Winchesters I tend to start wondering what Weatherby brought to the party. I had one Weatherby that took 7 grains more H1000 to go 200 fps slower. Had to get rid of that one because I got sick of that little embarrassing reality. I'm keeping my last .300 Weatherby because I like the rifle, not because there's something magical about the cartridge. It is however a very good one. | |||
|
| One of Us |
out of curiosity, what did the short cartridge do that made you not care for it? | |||
|
One of Us |
Mostly some darn good marketing. The Weatherby has a lot more hype and emotion than the .300 Winchester.....And that translates in much longer range????? /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
|
| one of us |
+1 I carry a custom .300 WM daily. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I have come full circle on this topic. I shot an out of the box M70 in .300WM for many years. I but together a semi custom in .300WM then another. Now I have a couple .300 RUM's, on factory and two custom. All shoot .75 MOA or better. So, I shoot a different one each time I go out and have fun. I really cannot tell any difference in them from an accuracy view or "killing" viewpoint. You cannot make a bad decision. | |||
|
| One of Us |
It might not matter much for hunting, but it you have to shoot the lock off of something...........  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDEqC2PfbYU | |||
|
| One of Us |
I think you answered your own question. 300 Win Mag ammo is not difficult to find. | |||
|
| One of Us |
does not feed as well and does not seem to be as accurate. Harder to reload. I dunno, just don't seem to care for it. Its like shooting a 308 on steroids | |||
|
one of us |
The problem with this kind a question is that there are as many opinions about the proper or best caliber as there are shooters. Having said that my advice is as follows: Have a clear understanding as to what you want to accomplish with the rifle. The trick is to find one or more bullets associated with the given caliber (assuming you are hand loader,) that will have the terminal ballistics you are looking for. I for one in my older years am becoming averse to heavy recoil. Any rifle of Magnum style 30 caliber or over will kick the living daylights out of you. I used to shoot a 378 quite often but those days are gone forever. However, 270 grain bullet at the muzzle velocity of 3000+ feet per second will do a number on just about any game where it is legal. • I have found that with a heavy 7 mm (180 grain) projectile you can get super performance on medium game without all the physical abuse. Similarly with 270 caliber. • If you want really outstanding terminal ballistics from a 30 caliber Magnum you need to go to a very heavy bullet. (200+ grains) • Naturally for dangerous game .338 or larger caliber might be indicated. My view is that with heavier calibers a rifleman needs to be at the peak of his form to get the good results that we expect. I found that if you’re going to spend the money for a quality custom or even a standard rifle at today’s prices one needs to pour over reloading manuals, etc. because once the die is cast you are stuck with it.  Shown above are various 7 mm bullets along with the 308 on the end. The right two 7 mm bullets are known as "VLD" and have G1 slightly under .600, and give wonderful long-range performance similar to the 210 grain 300 caliber VLD. These Bergers now have available hunting bullets with similar parameters. That gun was required when the hundred grain flat base ran out of performance in the 260 Remington at about 700 yards. Also because of the courseness of mil dots at that range I needed to go to a scope with a finer reticles. (Mil scale, which divides the minute of angle scale into the 10 parts) -------------------- EGO sum bastard ut does frendo | |||
|
| One of Us |
To start with, 19+ years of unrivaled performance with a .30 caliber bullet. The .300 Weatherby was introduced in 1944 and only recently have powders improved enough for the .300 Winchester to approach its performance, but even Hornady's Superformance isn't up to pushing the .300 Win as fast as the .300 Weatherby. With a 150 gr. bullet (Barnes data)... .30-378 Wby - 3,558 fps (111.0 gr. RL 25) .300 Wby - 3,543 fps (96.0 gr. MagPro) .300 RUM - 3,505 fps (95.5 gr. RL 22) .300 Win - 3,400 fps (Hornady Superformance) .300 Win - 3,319 fps (80.0 gr. IMR 7828SSC) .300 WSM - 3,284 fps (68.0 gr. Win 760) .300 H&H - 3,271 fps (67.5 gr. VIT N550) .300 RSAUM - 3,194 fps (65.5 gr. Win 760) .30-06 - 3,056 fps (60.0 gr. H414) .308 Win - 2,980 fps (50.0 gr. BL-C) With a 180 gr. bullet (Barnes data)... .30-378 Wby - 3,318 fps (119.5 gr. US869) .300 Wby - 3,202 fps (84.5 gr. RL 22) .300 RUM - 3,180 fps (107.0 gr. US869) .300 Win - 3,130 fps (Hornady Superformance) .300 Win - 3,036 fps (72.5 gr. RL 19) .300 WSM - 3,036 fps (69.5 gr. RL 19) .300 H&H - 3,009 fps (71.0 gr. RL 22) .300 RSAUM - 2,895 fps (65.0 gr. RL 22) .30-06 - 2,742 fps (54.0 gr. Big Game) .308 Win - 2,669 fps (47.5 gr. AA2520) | |||
|
| One of Us |
Looking for that "all around caliber" its a tough choice the various 30 cals represent that more fully than anything else in my opinion. My 7MM is great for most things. Do I want to take it into bear country? Its capable, but probably not. Do I want to hunt moose with it? Its capable, but probably not. Speed goats, elk, deer, you bet - but a 30 caliber does just as well on those animals. I need to get down to one hunting rifle that I learn how it shoots completely. At the moment I am using to many different calibers and its throwing off my long range shooting. I am almost at the point where I take my 375 and use it for everything - but - longer range shots 400+ yards sometimes required start getting tough with a 375. 338? Way more gun than I need for almost everything I hunt. Something requiring a large caliber like that I would use my 375 or 416 Rigby. I need enough gun cause I hunt in bear country often enough, but not to much gun that I am toting around to much weight, thereby the question 300 Win Mag or 300 Weatherby At this point I am leaning 300 Weatherby Accumark Synthetic with a muzzle break. I think I would feel comfortable with that at long ranges and in bear country. Funny, I have 3 Weatherby rifles and not one of them is chambered for a Weatherby cartridge. I love the fit of a Weatherby stock | |||
|
| One of Us |
The .300WBY is an icon, best you experience it! I enjoyed mine thoroughly. | |||
|
| One of Us |
The best thing to do is ignore whatever trax the troll said Since he isn't man enough to even admit where he lives-his opining is worthless "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
|
| One of Us |
Inside every chubby little short ass man is big man constantly trying to get out....  | |||
|
| One of Us |
You may not want to believe everything you read in a reloading manual. Weatherby faster than the RUM? Does that seem likely? I've easily obtained 3200 chronographed fps with published loads of RL22 in the .300 Win. Typically the accuracy was better at 3150 fps with both RL22 and H1000. When you give both cartridges Norma brass and 26" barrels things change. | |||
|
| one of us |
For heavy game, I have converted my 340 Weatherby to 330 Dakota and put a Lilja three groove one in nine twist barrel on it. My 7 mm is a Winchester short Magnum on a model 70 short action. It also shoots fairly well as shown by this target. Five shot groups at 100 yards. I got overconfident on the lower right target and pulled the shot on the upper left.  I believe we do have tight groups at 100 because they become significantly larger at 1000 when you're trying to nail prairie dogs. -------------------- EGO sum bastard ut does frendo | |||
|
| One of Us |
Yes, with lower bullet weights. The RUM doesn't come into its own until you start pushing 200+ gr. bullets and burning all of that extra powder in the barrel. | |||
|
| One of Us |
My RUM seems to out-run my Weatherby quite nicely with 180s. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Define "quite nicely", and whether that's with a 26" barrel vs. 24", or 26" vs. 26". Just FYI, I have 24" and 26" .300 Weatherby MKVs and a 26" .300 RUM, and I handload. | |||
|
| Administrator |
300 RUM and at least 26 inch barrel. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I have run 26" barrels on all three. My last remaining .300 Weatherby has a 24". | |||
|
| One of Us |
I've hunted quite a lot with a 300 Win Mag. Mine was a 26" and I am very staisfied. Accuracy was superb (despite the "short neck") and ti hits hard. I've used bullets from 180 to 210gr and prefer a 200gr bullet or thereabouts at 2800-2850 fps for most applications. We are limited a bit by our domestically available propellants at this time. A friend shoots a 300 RUM. I've not seen circumstances here in South Africa where I've felt that the RUM would have been a real advantage, although it is an impressive calibre no doubt. He shoots a Rem 700 Sendero and it shoots very well. If you think you need more than a 300 Win Mag then either of those calibres are great on paper. I always liked the idea of a 300 Wby, but I can't say that I've ever felt limited by my Win Mag. The Win Mag is generally cheaper to run and very much so here in SA. | |||
|
| Powered by Social Strata | Page 1 2 |
 | Please Wait. Your request is being processed... |
|
The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Rifles Custom Built Rifles Need advise, 300 Win or 300 Weatherby
Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia