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I have seen pictures of custom rifles that had a lightly crosshatched pattern on the rear sight leaf and sometimes the quarter rib. It is not stippling as it has a regular diagonal crosshatch pattern and it is not nearly as deep as checkering. What is this called and how is it done? Thanks. | ||
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Matting, roll stamp. Sorry for the vague answer but that pretty much it's it. Adam ______________________ Ammo, you always need more. | |||
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I thilnk you're describing an angravers art. He engraves those diamonds a line at a time, then puts some dettail...a dot, shading etc. Can be very attractive when well done.. | |||
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Thanks, Duane. It appears to be engraved in all the examples I've seen. It doesn't appear to be a roll stamp. | |||
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I think probably most ribs are file cut. All I have seen are borderless. They are cut either as a single direction perpendicular to the bore, or 2 directions as very fine checkering.   It's a bit on the spendy side to have done. I ran across a 2010 quote from AyA. Handcut rib: $795. Machine cut: $550. I doubt he's still doing it, but Jim Wisner worked out a way to machine checker with a mill and a fly cutter. Very ingenious and it looked quite nice. As an aside, all of the sights I have seen cut in this fashion have borders, which indicates either a single line at a time or done with a liner. I'm currently working on a little restoration for John Farner(toomanytools). I made a liner to match the existing engraving.  The one on the left was made with a 50 lpi checkering file. The one made for John's project I hand cut with a single line graver. Not sure about how many lpi, but would guess about 100-115 lpi. Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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Are they cut with checkering files? Adam ______________________ Ammo, you always need more. | |||
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Yes. Very fine checkering files. A roll die will work on a integral rifle rib, but would crush a shotgun rib and most likely the barrels would suffer a horrible fate as well. Here's a little tighter shot of the liners:  Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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I would not want to argue with Roger, but LOTS of shotgun ribs were done with roll dies in the past. Winchesters 21s and lots and lots of British guns, usually lower quality ones. I far prefer the looks of a hand cut rib. Steve | |||
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Dollars to donuts the rib is rolled prior to attaching to the barrels. A lot of pressure applied in a very small area. Winchester used 2 different roll dies for matting. Wavy line and checkered. The checkered matte was done on early rifles...can't say they ever used it on shotgun ribs. Can't say it because I don't know when they implemented the wavy line matting. Either way, your right. They, for sure, didn't hand file every rib. Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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Put the order up for one Adam.... it is just money   Roger, I assume you did the two ribs pictured? Very nicely done. Nathaniel Myers Myers Arms LLC nathaniel@myersarms.com www.myersarms.com Follow us on Instagram and YouTube I buy Mauser actions, parts, micrometers, tools, calipers, etc. Specifically looking for pre-WWII Mauser tools. | |||
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Wow, the detail on those sights is just gorgeous. -- Promise me, when I die, don't let my wife sell my guns for what I told I her I paid for them. | |||
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Yes it is, indeed. I am still on board for the roll die. ______________________ Ammo, you always need more. | |||
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George Hoenig does this and the term he used was "florentine." IF you look about midway through the pictures in this link you'll see a shot of the top of the rib and the effect. It is so shallow you can barely feel it, it's almost like the texture of a satin sheet. http://www.champlinarms.com/De...StyleID=3&GunID=2093 | |||
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Amazing ! NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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In todays productions you will certainly find the treatment of the quarter ribs done by hand engraving. But the ribs - especially on shotguns - were done by special toolings named guillochier machine. You can reproduce it by cad/cam technology. An example of the old way in the linked video http://www.sdtb.de/index.php?id=947&igdetail=5 | |||
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heavenknows, not at all an argument from me, just more curious, but are you sure they used a guilloche machine? The barrels that have perpindicular lines to the barrel I could see, but I have one with lines that run the length of the barrel? Not saying it could not be done, I have only watched a few videos on the guilloche machine, so I do not know their full capabilities. Nathaniel Myers Myers Arms LLC nathaniel@myersarms.com www.myersarms.com Follow us on Instagram and YouTube I buy Mauser actions, parts, micrometers, tools, calipers, etc. Specifically looking for pre-WWII Mauser tools. | |||
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Here's a few examples using tooling Roger Kehr helped me out with. It uses a very small chisel to make the pattern. Sure beats a bright surface.   | |||
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Typical work made by Guillochier machine. http://www.hallowellco.com/mer...79%202-bbl%20set.htm | |||
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Can someone post a photo showing Rogers tools being used?  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Thanks, gentlemen, for your comments. The pics by Scrollcutter were what I was referring to. | |||
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