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Who are the gunmakers with a reputation for blind magazine "mountain-style" rifles?
Any photos of your rifles and comments are most appreciated! Thank you for your trouble, Arthur Olds
 
Posts: 201 | Location: Arkansas | Registered: 21 December 2003Reply With Quote
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Kimber Montana is probably the lightest, but there is always the Remington ADL. I just found an early Winchester Winlite stock (McMillan) for my Stainless Classic in 9.3x62. The early Winlites had a blind magazine.

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Here's a Mauser...and my error to boot



here's my .35 Whelen in a M-98, a fairly light rifle



The M-70 has also been made in a blind magazine.


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If you are going synthetic...contact Lone Wolf

If you are going wood a pattern can be made a bland magazine by filling in the mag box


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Al Lind makes some beauties. Hendershots has one for sale in 30-06.
 
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Am building a .223 on a stainless Defiance action patterened after the Remington model 7. Since I'm having trouble finding model 7 stainless bottom metal I'm thinking about using a blind magazine. Wonder how that rifle would look with a quarter rib in English walnut?


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I dont know anyone specifically who builds these rifles or who has a reputation for it, I think most any stockmaker/gunmaker will do one for you.

I do think they should be very trim and light weight when finished.

I have always liked the blind magazine look. I also like the idea of a lot less weight.
Here is one I had built up some time ago and one I hunt with a lot. It is not as clean today as it was in these photos. Like I said, it gets hunted a LOT.
It is very light weight, just over 7 pounds with scope and ammo in the belly, and very trim and shoots reasonably well, 1.5” groups with most any ammo and with a cold or hot barrel. It has its favorite loads and bullits that do better.

Its a fun rifle.



 
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That is a georgous rifle and the checkering pattern in particular is outstanding.

Von Gruff.


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Originally posted by AFreeman:
I dont know anyone specifically who builds these rifles or who has a reputation for it, I think most any stockmaker/gunmaker will do one for you.

I do think they should be very trim and light weight when finished.

I have always liked the blind magazine look. I also like the idea of a lot less weight.
Here is one I had built up some time ago and one I hunt with a lot. It is not as clean today as it was in these photos. Like I said, it gets hunted a LOT.
It is very light weight, just over 7 pounds with scope and ammo in the belly, and very trim and shoots reasonably well, 1.5” groups with most any ammo and with a cold or hot barrel. It has its favorite loads and bullits that do better.

Its a fun rifle.





Really nice! What is it chambered for?
 
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About 3 or 4 years ago at the ACGG show in Reno one of the members had some on display. Can't recall his name for sure: Clayton Nelson or possibly Steve Nelson or similar. Nice sleek rifles with reduced capacity magazines and appropriately shortened triggers. Maybe some one else can pin the name down.


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Peruvian 7x57.

Helgeland G33/40.
 
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Thanks All.
The rifle is a 30/06 with a fast twist barrel.
The checkering pattern was loosely based on H&H patterns but made to fit this stocks/rifles lines.
Lon Paul did the checkering at 28 lpi and 3.5 to 1 pitch at my request.
I have since found I prefer 24 lpi and 3 to 1 pitch. I think it looks best. It has a velvety soft look to it with sharp diamonds yet you can see through the checkering to the figure of the wood.

Anyway...here is a top view of it.

 
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Thats Helgeland rifle above, this one:


was in a magazine a couple years ago. I forget the publication, but it is a beautiful rifle. Its an inspiration to build yet another rifle.
Which is exactly what it did to me. I have a lot of the components ready to go but have yet to decide on a caliber.

Im going to use either a G33/40 or a Mexican Mauser. Blind magazine with a shotgun trigger bow. Custom shaped trigger set far back in the bow.

Few other nice details and I will use a pretty stick of lumber as well.

Maybe a steel buttplate, undecided on that right now.
 
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How is the magazine box handled with a blind magazine Mauser?
 
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Originally posted by CAS II:
How is the magazine box handled with a blind magazine Mauser?

With mine, I salvaged the trigger guard, the magazine box and the entire nut assembly for the front screw.

The magazine box is cut away from the original milsurp bottom metal and it sits in the blind box. Use a cutoff grinding blade in an angle grinder...it works quite well!

I didn't even have to tig it to the action.

I've done two of them and both worked the same way


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Thank you, that is what I thought the answer would be.
 
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Mr. Freeman..."Frank" is a beautiful rifle with a most unusual grain pattern! What twist is the barrel, if I might ask, and where did you get the quick twist?

For all who have given opinions and especially the photos of some outstanding rifles, thank you! Arthur Olds
 
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AFreeman,

Check out Professional Stockmaking by David Wesbrook, his personal rifle is a 7x57 G33/40 with a reduced capasity 3 shot magazine thats a beauty.
 
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Aurthur, the stock is crotch english walnut and the twist is 1/8.
The rifle became known as Frankenstein because it went through 2 previous barrels and the stock refinished once and for no good reason...I simply did not like the checkering pattern on it...so one evening I ran a power sander over it so I had no choice but to refinish and reshape the way I wanted it to be.

manhasset, I know the rifle you speak of, Mark Harris previously owner and publisher of Wolfe Publishing bought and owned the gun from Dave. I also know Dave well. That is where I first heard of a shotgun trigger bow being used on a bolt gun, and I liked the idea. I was standing in my barn speaking with Mark about the gun when he mentioned it about 6 years ago.
It is an idea that adds grace to a bolt gun.
 
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