Trax,

I spend my money wisely, nobody cares much about how much you pay for an action, or if you over pay for somebody new to the business's name on it.

The stated pre-production price of that action is half a good plains game hunt these days.

I've hunted Africa with bolt guns and double rifles, nobody in camp cared. They just wanted to see it go "Bang" and hit the sight-in target.

I am taking single shot rifles this April. I will let you know if anybody cares...

regards,

Rich

I will, however, admit to a little of the snobbery you aspire to. Check out the cars section and you can look at my Jaguar convertible

The price Peter told me at SCI was $3900.

Anybody else got a price to submit?

To date, we have a range from $2000 to $3900, to $5000 dealer price.

Our own Phil Shoemaker thinks they are unnecessary, since the action is not designed for the DG Supreme, aka the 30-06.

Sorry Phil, but you just said so in your last statement.

Rich

Rich, Not sure how you came to that came to that conclusion but you are right that they are much larger than needed for a 30-06 - as they were designed for a proper fit for the 416 Rigby.
Considering the players involved and after looking at the actions I would say they are certainly priced fairly for the quality the offer.

I was told $4000 at SCI right from Corbon while I was holding the action that is pictured in this thread.

$5000 is the price for the general public/non dealer people, $4000 is Dealer price
Daniel

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Originally posted by 458Win:
Rich, Not sure how you came to that came to that conclusion but you are right that they are much larger than needed for a 30-06 - as they were designed for a proper fit for the 416 Rigby.
Considering the players involved and after looking at the actions I would say they are certainly priced fairly for the quality the offer.

Phil,...You may have to be very patient,....It took Rich/ISS some time to listen to well trusted people in the know, about the quality and price justification of the Soroka falling block.
strangely enough Rich felt a H&H shop built & priced single shot [using the agricultural Ruger No:1] was justified because of its "provenance" ....

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
Trax,
I guess I am cattle class and I think you are an ASS.

The Pierce actioned rifle you had built does not appear to be a cattle class grade[or priced] piece of gear....but maybe in your mind it is cattle class,....However, I feel the folk who can only afford to own a factory Remington 700 rifle may not agree with you.

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Originally posted by M 98:
$5000 is the price for the general public/non dealer people, $4000 is Dealer price
Daniel

IF that is to be the cost then they will not be selling many.

at what price point would a good square bridge custom action be irisistable to the common rifle shooter? when will bubba shun the 700 or 70 to have something really nice how cheap would it need to be?

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Originally posted by M 98:
$5000 is the price for the general public/non dealer people, $4000 is Dealer price
Daniel

And this action is several thousand dollars better then the CZ550 how?

Beautiful.

I have a question, and a Philistine one at that. All other things being equal, how many more animals could a kill with this action as opposed to a WIN M70 (FN, South Carolina) action?

Moo.

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at what price point would a good square bridge custom action be irisistable to the common rifle shooter?....

I would not waste my time trying to "make to a price" and broadly market a higher quality/higher featured
square bridge CRF action, that would financially appeal to the common shooter.

The common rifle shooter is often content with the common round top action[crf or non-crf] with common std. leupold type scope mount.

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And this action is several thousand dollars better then the CZ550 how?

I would not say that being several thousand dollars higher in price necessarily equates it to being several times better than a CZ.

However set up shop,gather the skills involved to design it,prototype it,make it,then properly finish-assemble it, have it all tested, pay all your bills, skim some profit, and tell us how much you would need to sell this new action for to stay in business.

The CZ does represent good value for the guy who wants a CRF square bridge action at a more affordable price.

How much does a CZ come to after refining/modifying/upgrading it, for a top flight custom rifle build?

A person could be happy with a near stock std CZ,... or a highly modified one...
...some folk would be elated to have a Hartmann Weiss magnum mauser action,....others are known to go one step further and modify/upgrade the Hartmann-Weiss.

Another option is the new Corbon action.


You can hunt Africa with a factory Remington700, or hunt rabbits near your home town with a $10k custom rimfire..If its your money, you can do what ever floats your boat.

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Originally posted by Trax:
...some folk would be elated to have a Hartmann Weiss magnum mauser action...
...others are known to go one step further and modify/upgrade the Hartmann-Weiss...

Has anyone modified a Hartmann & Weiss magnum action? And what did they change?

I think Trax is refering to the fact that D'Arcy Echols(the person who in fact designed this Corbon action) built two rifles chambered for the .505 Gibbs based on Hartmann&Weiss magnum Mauser actions. (do a search here on AR and you will find pictures of some absolutely beautifully rifles of his).
D'Arcy was not happy about certain aspects of these H&W actions and I do know for a fact that he made new magazine boxes (don't know if he re did the entire bottom metal) and the bolt stops were also switched out for new ones designed and produced in house by D'Arcy. All in the name of perfect function and 100% reliability!

It all depends on just what level of perfection you are looking for and are willing to pay for. 100% perfect (ie the D'Arcy Echols way of doing things) may not be nessesary but it for sure is expensive.
If knowing you have the best there is to be had is what makes you feel good, go ahead and get it. If knowing you got some thing good enough at a reasonable price is, then that is what you should get.

To each his own!

By the way, I firmly believe that the marketing strategy, or lack there of, is what is going to stop this action from selling. Mr Pi, Corbon, has it out on the market now taking orders and deposits. But no one knows any details about it. Retail price is just one thing. What about bottom metals/ magazine boxes, are there different ones for different calibers or just the ones made for the .300/.375 HH? Magazine capacity? Materials to be used in production series actions? Warranty? Just to mention a few of the point where info is scarce or even different from time to time when you ask Corbon about it.

I do think this is possibly The best action on the market to day. I just hope Corbon keep from screwing it all up befor if even gets of the ground.

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Originally posted by mauser93:
Beautiful.

I have a question, and a Philistine one at that. All other things being equal, how many more animals could a kill with this action as opposed to a WIN M70 (FN, South Carolina) action?

Moo.

Not a single one!

Is it the gas handling what makes it better than the new Mausers?

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And this action is several thousand dollars better then the CZ550 how?

Precision tolerances, to a level of O.C.D.

I bet you could fit a 6mm BR barrel to this action and be competitve at a local benchrest event. Try that with a stock Mauser.

Probably not needed for a shoulder-fired weapon, but if you cherish the best this one will deliver.

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Originally posted by Klein:
...to the fact that D'Arcy Echols(the person who in fact designed this Corbon action)...

No offense to Mr. Echols for his efforts in bringing what looks to be a fine action to market, but that looks just like a Model 70 with a Mauser bolt release and bolt sleeve flange to me. I guess it depends on how you define "design"...

mauser93...you couldn't kill anymore, just kill them deader and they would die with a smile on their face knowing that the hunter had bragging rights on how much his rifle cost.

Well there is a market for finely made things. I wish them well. They are not the first to try. Spending 4K on a proper action for a 416 Rigby is not to much out of the question. There are people in these world that would look at 4K as about as much as I would look at the price of a Bagel and cream cheese with a cup of coffee. That is a fact. Heck an new Starter Generator for a Bell 47 is ever bit of that and then some. That is if you can find one.

I believe Stu Satterlee has an excellent receiver that lists for $3450 on his website. Pictured below is the one that I purchased from Stu. It is very well done and functions perfectly.



My recommendation might not mean much as I am cattle class.

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
I believe Stu Satterlee has an excellent receiver that lists for $3450 on his website. Pictured below is the one that I purchased from Stu. It is very well done and functions perfectly.

Fortunately, you were able to purchase that action when Satterlee made it available,[without ordering and having to wait for it to be produced].

Unfortunately, Folks who have actually placed specific orders for Satterlee receivers have been entangled in overly long drawn out affairs to get what they paid for.

Whatever, This cattle class is happy.

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
Whatever, This cattle class is happy.

Considering you view yourself as cattle class, you sold off the excellent Satterlee receiver because you felt you overstepped the mark and purchased something that was too much of a good thing for you?..

..or was it that you sold it for a good profit like any savy business class minded person may take opportunity to do.

Your either confused as to what constitutes cattle class vs business class,.. or just a plain and simple hypocrite.

Recently finished up a 450 Rigby on a Satterlee action. (already taken two elephant) In my opinion, here's a DGR action that just can't be beat.

I have also been pretty taken by the FZH action out of Germany. Pure Mauser through and through..looks like 1930, with a couple minor changes..i.e. smaller diameter firing pin.

I've gone on record as suggesting that any "improvement" to the system 98 is a step backward. But a minor change like a smaller firing pin cannot find argument.

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...any "improvement" to the system 98 is a step backward.

I agree. How many other designs can claim such success after 100+ years?!

Although I've never owned one, I do profess some fondness for the Winchester M-70 however. In looking at the Satterlee vs Corbon photos I am struck again by one of the major design differences that has never been fully explained to my satisfaction: The M-70 ditched the forward action screw going into a big meaty recoil lug and decided instead to go directly into the bottom of the front receiver ring. Now I am sure they wouldn’t have done this if it truly posed a detrimental weakening of the action, but I fail to see how there could be any advantage in this change from Paul Mauser's masterwork. Why thread into a thinner part of the receiver where the bolt lugs engage when there is a perfectly good hunk of metal just hanging right there with nothing better to do than take an action screw?

Anybody have some clarifying insight into this?

Trax,
If you can afford it, you need to buy a $5000. suit, $500. shirt, a $300 tie, and a $500 pair of shoes. You need to look good when you jump up and down and make an ASS out of yourself.

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Originally posted by montea6b:

quote:

...any "improvement" to the system 98 is a step backward.

I agree. How many other designs can claim such success after 100+ years?!

Although I've never owned one, I do profess some fondness for the Winchester M-70 however. In looking at the Satterlee vs Corbon photos I am struck again by one of the major design differences that has never been fully explained to my satisfaction: The M-70 ditched the forward action screw going into a big meaty recoil lug and decided instead to go directly into the bottom of the front receiver ring. Now I am sure they wouldn’t have done this if it truly posed a detrimental weakening of the action, but I fail to see how there could be any advantage in this change from Paul Mauser's masterwork. Why thread into a thinner part of the receiver where the bolt lugs engage when there is a perfectly good hunk of metal just hanging right there with nothing better to do than take an action screw?

Anybody have some clarifying insight into this?

this is done to give more stock behind the recoil lug to make that area between the lug and mag box hole stronger and the screw was left where it is so you dont have to remake the bottom metal with a funky looking long front tang among other cost saving reasons

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
Trax,
If you can afford it, you need to buy a $5000. suit, $500. shirt, a $300 tie, and a $500 pair of shoes. You need to look good when you jump up and down and make an ASS out of yourself.

Butch your Pierce rifle looks very fancy-pretty on the outside, do you mind showing us again the photo of the agricultural stick welds [that look like seagull droppings] that hold the recoil lug on?

..appears you live by the "shiny on top-shit underneath" principle...

I won't disagree with the perception you have of yourself, deep down you are cattle class, no matter what fancy Top Hat you wear.

Lift the bolt on that Corbon receiver and I'm sure it won't reveal some rough crappy half assed weld holding the BH on.

It appears that you have a complex that you soon won't get over.
I have asked before to see you masterpieces. All I have seen are pics of somebody else's rifles. Are you sure you aren't 22wrf?

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
It appears that you have a complex that you soon won't get over.
I have asked before to see you masterpieces. All I have seen are pics of somebody else's rifles. Are you sure you aren't 22wrf?

Butch,you have seen them posted...However, there are non so blind as those with healthy eyes but choose not to see.
How can I be 22WRF when my posts have disagreed with what 22WRF has said?...any way keep clutching at straws..

I made a general statement about cattle class,..Your the one who then began hurling personal insults directly at me in this thread....so I wonder who really has a complex.

Do you really believe that most of the work conducted in this Pierce actioned rifle of yours is in the cattle class category?

Try not to get upset or resentful when I expose you for the hypocrite you are.

If someone wants to spend the money required to get that Corbon receiver, they are just as entitled to do so as someone who wants to spend a decent amount of money trying to fancy up a rem700 clone.

No doubt there are others who would view either choice as unjustified.

If anyone feels that Corbon receiver is out of their league, don't stress, your under no obligation to buy one.

Are you speaking of this?

I guess I should have called you before doing it.I guess I also thought it was being built for me and not you.

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Your the one who then

Trax:

At least get the correct form in "your" prose. If "you're" going to critisize, then be correct.

HMMM, 22wrf? Maybe

Trax obviously thrives on this negative attention he's getting, why don't the better ones here just ignore this petty BS that takes away from otherwise interesting threads? I know it can be difficult to resist that urge to get in the last word but sometimes you just gotta let go...

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Originally posted by CRUSHER:

quote:

Originally posted by montea6b:

quote:

...any "improvement" to the system 98 is a step backward.

I agree. How many other designs can claim such success after 100+ years?!

Although I've never owned one, I do profess some fondness for the Winchester M-70 however. In looking at the Satterlee vs Corbon photos I am struck again by one of the major design differences that has never been fully explained to my satisfaction: The M-70 ditched the forward action screw going into a big meaty recoil lug and decided instead to go directly into the bottom of the front receiver ring. Now I am sure they wouldn’t have done this if it truly posed a detrimental weakening of the action, but I fail to see how there could be any advantage in this change from Paul Mauser's masterwork. Why thread into a thinner part of the receiver where the bolt lugs engage when there is a perfectly good hunk of metal just hanging right there with nothing better to do than take an action screw?

Anybody have some clarifying insight into this?

this is done to give more stock behind the recoil lug to make that area between the lug and mag box hole stronger and the screw was left where it is so you dont have to remake the bottom metal with a funky looking long front tang among other cost saving reasons

Thanks Crusher, best explanation I've heard...

The 1/4x32 front guard screw on a Model-70 allows for approx. .150 of thread engagement. The CorBon allows for .250 of thread engagement as the action is "deeper" in the area behind the recoil lug. Being deeper also allows for a shallower and longer bullet ramp angle which can be awful helpful in getting those Flat Meplat bullets that seems to be the current rage to feed so much better. This action can be had with single and double square bridges. The programs are already written. The action that has been pictured was the first prototype and the the action sent to HP White Labs. I'm sure CorBon will release other pictures soon.


The Retail Cost I was given from CorBon as of 2/11/2012 is $4995.00
There is a dealer price with an incentive to purchase the action in multiples
Any inquires in regards to purchase need to be directed to CorBon.

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Originally posted by butchlambert:
Are you speaking of this?

I guess I should have called you before doing it.I guess I also thought it was being built for me and not you.

As long as you are accepting-happy with the workmanship-end result that you got for your money, thats all that really matters.

and If someone can afford and is content with what they get for their money in a Corbon receiver, so be it.

Do you mean like this one:



Satterlee Arms Magnum Action
Features:
- Controlled Round Feeding
- 3-Position Safety
- Cartridge-Specific magazine
- One piece bottom metal
- .750" Bolt Diameter
- Available as "Round Bridge" or with scope bases machined into square bridges (Round Bridge shown)
Pricing:
- $3450.00 with dovetailed & welded bolt handle
- $4450.00 with integral bolt handle
Options:
- Standard Magazine (3+1)
- Drop-Box Magazine (4+1)

Woodhunter: The action you describe must be chambered for dinosaur hunting..Ahhhhh...ain't no more of them!

Duane does the Satterlee action eas the model 70 style trigger? Also does it handle the gas as well as the original Mauser?