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What can anyone tell me about this thing??? AIM Surplus has some for sale but I have never even heard of the weapon. The ad states: "These Rifles are assembled in the Czech Republic with new milled Czech receivers, and original excellent condition refinished VZ-58 parts kits. While it bears a similar resemblance to AK type rifles, the VZ-58 is designed more like the German STG-44. Nothing on this rifle is interchangeable with AK type rifle parts. These rifles are still in service in Slovakia and the Czech Republic." Still looks like an AK variant to me. Lord, give me patience 'cuz if you give me strength I'll need bail money!! 'TrapperP' | ||
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Mechanically, there is nothing in common with the AK, even the original ammunition was developped as 7.62x 45mm starting with the VZ 52 later modified into VZ 52/57 when Moscow reminded the Czech that they were part of the Varsaw Pact and as such they had to harmonize all their equipments and weapons. The Czech switched to 7.62x 39mm. This is a very accurate and reliable rifle. | |||
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Probably a better rifle would be one that is complied from the East German Wieger STg940. It's an AK variant that was supposed to have been produced in 5.56, but the fall of the Soviet Union put an end to it. Something like that. Anyways Inter Ordinance picked them up and put on the required American parts to allow importation. They also build it in 7.62x39, with the 5.56 to follow. It's almost identical to the original. Good thing is it has a very accurate hammer forged barrel and they shot 2 inch groups with it at 100 yards with off the shelf ammo. How's that of an AK? Edmond, you know anything about the original. Joe | |||
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I got both an east german MPiKm 72 and an original AK 47, they both were very accurate but the east german one shot better than any other AK I ever handled. With czech laquer coated ammo, I repeatedly shot 10 rounds into 8" groups @ 300 meters, it was really amazing. | |||
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Maybe then that Inter Ordinance one is the one Trapper should take a look at. It's not terribly expensive either. The other changes to typical AK system that is it, were the stocks were changed, especially the fore arm portion. In fact they fired three 30 round magazines of ammo through it fast as they could and literally had the barrel smoking and the forearm wasn't hot. They also said the gas tube was different, but didn't expand on how. Here's an article on the rifle and pictures. http://www.ioinc.us/stgarticle.pdf Joe | |||
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What makes the vz-52 through vz-58 series unique is the locking system. It is tipping-bolt as found in the French MAS series, FN49 and FAL, Tokorev, and several others but- it is front-locking! The front of the bolt is made with locking lugs at the front which engage locking recesses in the recvr rails, ala Garand. The front of the bolt moves up and down to engage and disengage the lugs. I have here a bolt and carrier from a vz-52 and it most interesting. The bolt face slides up and down across the base of the ctg during lock-unlock. The carrier is made with the necessary cams to produce this motion as in the rear-locking tipping system. I'm not sure about this, but I am thinking that this is the only example of a tipping- bolt front locking sustem ever produced. Edmond, could you shed a little light on this most interesting action? | |||
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This type of locking has been developped at the end of the 19th century. A few european semi auto rifles used it. the French made a few variations of this system before and after WW1. If you can get the german magazine "Visier" the April issue will include an article on the VZ 58, it should show an exploded view of the rifle. | |||
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Thank you very much, Edmond. I did not know that there were earlier examples of this system built, and would like to learn more about them. This method of locking is appealing because, while being front locking, it retains the mechanical simplicity of the tipping-bolt rear-locking system. Very interesting from a design standpoint. Got a good illustrated breakdown of the vz52 from the aether. Thanks again RG | |||
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You should post it for everyone to understand how Czech post WW2 rifles work. | |||
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They sell like hotcakes up here in the great white north. My understanding is they are very good weapons, better than any AK-47. If I had too choose from the two ..based on what I have read it would be the Czech rifle hands down. | |||
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Heres a link that will get your juices goin if you like Mil surp weapons. http://www.marstar.ca/index.shtm | |||
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VZ-58 Reliability test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSLV9rd53vw It is old timer. But if equipped with modern stock, muzzlebreak, collimator etc., it is great assault rifle even in 21. century. More accurate and better made than AK. There are also different semi auto hunting versions: Jiri | |||
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I've had a vz.58 for several years, they are great guns. Mine is more accurate and much better made than the AKs I've owned. If you buy one you have to be careful what you get. Mine is a D.Technik which are the ones made in the Czech Republic and formerly imported by CZ-USA now imported by Czechpoint. https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/ Century Arms also sells a version that they assemble and like most things they assemble it is hit or miss whether one of the their guns will run properly. There was also a company in Ohio that made a version based on recievers they machined themselves. I've not shot one but have heard they were of very high quality. I believe they were called a vz.2000 and the company was Ohio Ordnance or something like that. | |||
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