Jim Shockey on the Real Trouble With the Border Closure

MARK H. YOUNG

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LHeym500,

What you described is pretty normal for Africa with trophy fees coming post safari. Letting you pay trophy fees once you have returned home shows a high level of trust and it is also a great way for an operator to get burned. It happens all too often.

We ask for a trophy fee deposit 30 days out to at lest cover the main animals the hunter wants to pursue. This allows hunters to travel with very little cash and keeps everybody honest.

Mark

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I would not be upset at all if an Outfitter insisted on TF after the shot or escrow.

There is no way in Hell I would pay 100 percent up front nor allow an Outfitter or Booking Agent to increase the price after I signed on the line and paid the deposit.

Hell would be raised to the gate of Heaven.

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p dog shooter

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This allows hunters to travel with very little cash and keeps everybody honest.

Only keeps the hunter honest.

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This allows hunters to travel with very little cash and keeps everybody honest.

Only keeps the hunter honest.

This is my whole point. The whole trust is one sided. By paying everything up front the client is putting 100% of the trust in the outfitter and the outfitter is telling the client I have no trust in you.

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I fully agree that trust should be a mutual thing. why is it that I have to put all my trust in the outfitter by paying 100% up front before I even show up? Why not I pay 50% up front and then the balance at the beginning of the hunt? When the outfitter picks me up at the airport or wherever we agree to meet I could hand him a certified check for the balance. Why is that not a reasonable option? By doing it this way we both have skin in the game and there is a show of mutual trust.

That's exactly how we do it.

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How to stop the spread of Covid... quit getting tested.

A couple months ago I came down with some kind of a cold/flu. I was sneezing, runny nose, coughs, congestion then eventually head ache.

I did not get tested. Just went to work as always. No mask.

Whatever I had, not a single co-worker 'exposed' to me during that week that I went to work sick got sick.

And if I get some other kind of cold/flu, you can bet that I'm just going to work then. Not submitting to stupid testing.

Which I am sure will astonish the leftwing panty waists ....

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How to stop the spread of Covid... quit getting tested.

A couple months ago I came down with some kind of a cold/flu. I was sneezing, runny nose, coughs, congestion then eventually head ache.

I did not get tested. Just went to work as always. No mask.

Whatever I had, not a single co-worker 'exposed' to me during that week that I went to work sick got sick.

And if I get some other kind of cold/flu, you can bet that I'm just going to work then. Not submitting to stupid testing.

Which I am sure will astonish the leftwing panty waists ....

You sound a lot like a former client of mine. I say former as he died of COVID after 22 days in intensive care. His wife has since changed her tune. She got the vaccine.

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^ I got the Pfizer vac just for the record, in July. But I'm not concerned about the damn thing anyway.

And the virus is being created and sent out deliberately by the Chinese anyway.

SARS, H1N1, Swine Flu, Covid all Chinese creations.

They'll have the next Corona variant/mutation ready anytime in the next3-5 years. But trying to get something more virulent next time.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
I fully agree that trust should be a mutual thing. why is it that I have to put all my trust in the outfitter by paying 100% up front before I even show up? Why not I pay 50% up front and then the balance at the beginning of the hunt? When the outfitter picks me up at the airport or wherever we agree to meet I could hand him a certified check for the balance. Why is that not a reasonable option? By doing it this way we both have skin in the game and there is a show of mutual trust.

I agree with this. While I normally go on self guided hunts out in the western states, after not getting a draw and rewarding myself for getting out of Afghanistan, I bought a "last minute cancellation" hunt... Was a LOT of fun being guided, but there was no way in hell I was going to pay all up front to someone I had never met, much less never heard anything good or bad about this person... Did kill a nice bull so went home happy. Paid the lessor in full the 50% I owed the day I showed up in camp.

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Originally posted by Demonical:
How to stop the spread of Covid... quit getting tested.

A couple months ago I came down with some kind of a cold/flu. I was sneezing, runny nose, coughs, congestion then eventually head ache.

I did not get tested. Just went to work as always. No mask.

Whatever I had, not a single co-worker 'exposed' to me during that week that I went to work sick got sick.

And if I get some other kind of cold/flu, you can bet that I'm just going to work then. Not submitting to stupid testing.

Which I am sure will astonish the leftwing panty waists ....

You sound a lot like a former client of mine. I say former as he died of COVID after 22 days in intensive care. His wife has since changed her tune. She got the vaccine.

THANK YOU LARRY!

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MARK H. YOUNG

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I would not be upset at all if an Outfitter insisted on TF after the shot or escrow.

There is no way in Hell I would pay 100 percent up front nor allow an Outfitter or Booking Agent to increase the price after I signed on the line and paid the deposit.

Hell would be raised to the gate of Heaven.

Your contract should protect you against any price increase other than government fees that nobody can guarantee.

Mark

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well seems most outfitters in the yukon survived the covid issues and back to open the season that is starting in a month and 10 days.

from what i ve seen prices increased a lot.

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well seems most outfitters in the yukon survived the covid issues and back to open the season that is starting in a month and 10 days.

from what i ve seen prices increased a lot.

Phil...yes I have seen some of the new pricing for hunts in western Canada and our north. Some of the increases are rather staggering and although I imagine some with deep pockets will just pay whatever they have to in order to go on these hunts, others who have no problem affording the hunts are saying enough is enough and are spending their money and time where they get a better value for the dollar.

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worldwide pandemic
feel so sorry for the outfitters who lost and the hunters who lost but who's to blame, CHINA what good did any of the closers do for anyone

As for someone to ask about vaccinations they are as clueless as the state health experts

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It's hard to believe.

But it's Trudeau.

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It's hard to believe.

But it's Trudeau.

trudeau alone, greed is a bad vice ...

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It's hard to believe.

But it's Trudeau.

Don't know why it is hard to believe.

He is a communist through and through.

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NEVER trust a commie!

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NEVER trust a commie!

we have a lot here ...

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
It's hard to believe.

But it's Trudeau.

Don't know why it is hard to believe.

He is a communist through and through.

certainly came from his supposed father ...

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Is it just me that thinks...fuck them! They over sell their areas, charge scalpers fees, often treating clients from the USA (vs. Canada) like unwanted step children,etc. etc.
Look what the industry did to Sask. whitetail hunts...over booked, not by a few but by the ten fold, price hiked by the ten fold, etc. to the point the average buck killed by clients went from 150" to 120",etc. etc.
A trophy moose hunt went from $3500.00 to over $
15,000 . Yup! Screw them I'm done with my rant

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