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I was in the middle of reading the thread about foreign ownership of hunting sites in BC when it disappeared. The comments made to Blue were right on the mark so what happens. Blue starts a thread and it turns against him and he runs to "Mommy DGR" who deletes the thread. Of course he will deny asking for it but his character or lack of it does not allow him to be subject to that much deserving and well thought out criticism. Neutering is alive and well if what was said on here can lead to the thread being deleted. BTW, Kutenay, at least one American and I would imagine many more on here, totally support you in what you said on here and your views regarding your country. I know that you do not need my support or anyone elses, but I wanted you to know that what you said was not only justified but apt to the issues at hand. | ||
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What I would like to know is how does it become libel when you are making slanderous remarks towards a poster who doesnt have a his name, email address, or any other personal information about himself. He has complete aninimity as far as I'm concerned. And how does a person who remains anonymous have a leg to stand on in the court of law. Anyone could threaten a lawsuit, but in truth this one would get laughed right off the floor. I suggest that the admins here consider the source of this individual who keeps black balling you to remove threads when he doesnt like the outcome. This particular individual has completely ruined some of these forums since the day he started posting here. I know I can speak for other posters as well as myself that I would just rather see him leave on his own. I dont support he banning of anyone. | |||
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Funny How I ask whether Blue and Hunting Guy from Hunt America are one in the same and the entire thread is deleted. Hunting Guy does a lot of trading on forums and lives in the same city and does not pay his debts for products furnished him in trust that he will pay for them, yet he can post pictures of these goods he received on other forums........But he can't pay because he has so many excuses he can't keep track of them. The odds are they are one in the same. If not I apologize. aka. bushrat | |||
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Blue seems to be good at making himself look bad and then crying foul and trying to make people feel sorry for him. | |||
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quote: Blue asked me to delete his account and posts. He has left the building, so to speak. I did so. I didn't think deleting his account would wipe out a thread, maybe he started that thread, I don't know. I never looked. Anyway, Blue is gone. That's what happened. Don | |||
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Hope the door didn't hit him in the ass on his way out! | |||
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I think the most interesting thing about the three different topics "related" to the original question, how many guide areas in B.C. are foreign owned, is that, in a total of about 70 posts covering the three, no one answered the original question; not once. I'm not saying it doesn't exist as people from outside(lower 48)back guides and outfitters up here, as well. Sad to see the posts be degraded by personal attacks and petty thought. The "trolls" aren't the only posters that are anonymous..........it's all getting pretty ridiculous! Joe Lothian, Sr. Where there's a hobble, there's hope. | |||
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My initial reply specifically pointed out the extreme difficulty of obtaining that information, due to the lobbying actions of the Guide-Outfitter's Association of B.C. They do NOT want resident B.C. hunters to know exactly how much game is shot by foreign hunters or how much territory they have made very difficult of access for us. This is because of an attitude that they are in "business" and provide jobs and income to government, thus, they should have first dibs on wildlife. This is not BS, I am a former employee of the B.C. Gov't, engaged in resource management and the former head of the Wildlife Branch here used to be a friend of mine. My concern has NOTHING to do with any animosity toward anyone, I am deeply interested in and committed to sound environmental management policies in my native land; I do not think that this will happen if the foreign commercialization of hunting is allowed to continue, that is what concerns me. I have posted, in this section of AR, quite extensively on this whole topic and am sorry to see posts which I put a lot of thouight and energy into be deleted. I do NOT speak to issues of this type in the USA, wolf introduction for example, because I do not think American internal policy is my affair. We Canadians are now on the very verge of the destruction of our country and I want to attempt to stimulate discussion of that situation in every aspect of our national life, hence my threads and posts here; I do not post this material on American based forums as I think it both inappropriate and possibly offensive to my American friends to do so. As to Blue, I doubt that anyone will miss him and that is all I have to say about him. | |||
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quote: Ovis, I suspect no one posted an answer because no one knows the answer. If the BC-DNR operates it's licencing/allocations of guiding areas like the MB-DNR it doesn't a accurate number. In MB foreign ownership of licenced outfitters is strongly discouraged through high financial commitments. As such, a number of MB outfitters are MB owned on paper only. They have lawyers create dummy-owners to circumvent the restrictions. As such, no one is going to come out and admit they are involved in a quasi-legal enterprize. Thus, no one can definitively say there is "X" foreign owned outfits. | |||
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I'll miss him, Kutenay. | |||
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Chic, and others that may be concerned: To the best of my knowlege, no-one (including DRG) deleted any part of that thread on purpose. It was fragmented during the changeover of forums, as were hundreds of other non-contentious threads. In this case, it may have something to do with DRG deleting Blue's username causing an indexing error related to the posts on that thread. DRG did delete a thread at Blue's request on the Gunsmithing Forum, but he did not delete anything here. In order to preserve the thread, I politely requested that Kutenay re-word the remarks that Blue considered libelelous and slanderous, since it really didn't change the integrity of the argument that Kutenay was making. He kindly agreed to do so. And that was the end of the story. I too was very disappointed to that thread fragmented, as well as number of others on different forums. (come to think of it the other big one I am thinking of also included Blue). Unfortunately, however, that is the price we had to pay to get a faster forum and be able to archive our old threads. I suggest that it is a pretty small price to pay. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Dang, and I missed the whole thing! The only problem with being Canadian, is the presence of Liberals Canadian Liberal Government= Elected Dictatorship! | |||
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I am an outfitter in Manitoba.In the outfitters organization that I belong to (Riding Mountain Outfitters Association) there is no foreign Outfitters as I know them all personally. On crown land in Manitoba(gov't owned)residents have 1st rights then nonresidents second.I don't know why a non resident would want to buy an outfitter out when it would be a lot cheaper for him to just book hunts for nummerous years in a row, which my hunters do. What difference would it be if it were an American or Canadian that owned an outfitting buisiness as long as he was a good fellow to get along with. The way I read Some of these posts its as if a few Canadians think its an American plot to take over Outfitting. Americans are just individuals like you and I. A lot of Canadians own large companys in the states. Do you hear any whining that Canadians are infaltrating American society. I don't know about B.C. but in Manitoba residents have 1st right on gov't land.Privete land is left up the owners dicresion. I also guide a lot of resident hunters for elk. They do not need a guide for this, but they get me bacause it increases there chances.I think that some Canadians have an inferiority complex and think we can't do as well as Americans, or maybe they are envious of Americans. Thank God for the U.S. because we can't protect ourselves any more. Just my opinion. By the way, I had to pay deerly to start my outfitting buissines. Any Canadians willing to buy me out. | |||
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Hunting stats for BC 1976 - 2003 | |||
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quote: You may know the dozen legal & illegal outfitters working around RMTN but there certainly is a number of foreign owned outfitters in the rest of MB. quote: I know if my livelyhood depended on Americans I too would talking glowingly about them. You obviously failed to read the intelligent arguement Kty put forward. quote: Since you don't own the tags and cannot therefore sell them - what you paid dearly for was fixed assets - buildings, trucks, quads, etc. | |||
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Cariboo PM sent Hunting isn't a mater of life and death......it's more important than that | |||
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tikka300 I was the 1st outfitter in Manitoba to buy out another outfitter and I bought nothing from the other outfitter but the tags. Try to start outfitting without buying someone out.Of course I'm biased for my clients because I'm an outfitter.Thats stating the obvious.The reason I got into the buisiness was because I love the job. I used to be an Electritian. I may have missed some parts of this conversation. I am a Canadian that bought out another Canadian. By the way my buisiness is not for sale. I worked for years to get it. It takes a Canadian to sell his outfitting buisiness to an American in the 1st place. There lies the fault, if you consider it a fault. | |||
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quote: I am curious as to how outfitters make access diffcult for the citizens of Canada to access their public land. Can you give more detail? Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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I don't know how familiar with B.C. you are, so, I am going to assume that you do not know anything about this Province or it's resource politics. Please bear with me, if, you actually do know the situation here. Hunting here is physically demanding due to the topography, climate, vegetation, geographic size and game population densities, these are low by US standards due to the above and other limiting factors. So, for most residents, vehicle access is a necessity in order to hunt at all. The use of horses is both very costly and impractical for most residents and this leads to a problem. Many of the best hunting areas are "no vehicle entry" and this effectively means "no hunting" for the vast majority of B.C. residents as very few people can actually backpack hunt in this country. I am an extremely experienced B.C. bushwhacker with decades of both recreational and vocational mountain travel and I can tell you that not one in one hundred hunters will backpack Elk in this country. The Guide-Outfitters deliberately lobby the Provincial authorities to establish these restricted areas, ostensibly for wildlife protection and the result is that they and their wealthy clients get access to animals and territory that is denied to we residents. They also enter into restrictive contracts with the local charter air carriers that restricts the latter from taking residents into certain airstrips, these are on Crown land and are public, but, this is commonplace here. Finally, some Outfitters have actually blocked public bush airstrips so that other charter planes cannot land resident hunters; this means that foreign Outfitters with foreign clients are excluding people like me from hunting where I wish to. My method of dealing with this is to join the increasing group of resident lobbiests, who are advocating an end to non-resident alien hunting in B.C. and the systematic buyout of contractual obligations due to Guide-Outfitters with the return of these to the public domain, restricted to residents only. I will NOT be curtailed in my own land by ANYONE, especially a profit-hungry foreigner or a rich "trophy collector", period. Times are changing here and the trophy hunting of B.C. wildlife by the international "big game hunter" is on the way out. It is too bad that this will adversely affect the desires/dreams of average American hunters, as an example, but, we B.C. hunters want to keep what is ours for ourselves, it's high time. BTW, the sentiments expressed by Pioneer Outfitters concerning "whining" and all of that other irrelevant drivel about "protecting us" are exactly the reason that so many of my friends and former professional colleagues feel about this issue as I do. He may be willing to sell out his Canada, but, I ain't.....he may not see any value in retaining Canadian resources for Canadian people....I do, my family's blood in both World Wars was spilled for this country and I will not sell out. | |||
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I am a Canadian and also proud of it. I think differently than you. I do not need a flag nor a line drawn on a map , nor a hockey game(well maybe a hockey game)to make me feel free or proud.Freedom and pride should be with you where ever you walk and be with you all the time. This is getting a little off the topic. I understand your plite though. Can I give you a different point of view.A lot of the land around the Riding Mountain National Park is bush land and 20 years ago was worthless. It was no good for farming and would sell cheap and change hands regullarly. Since outfitting started in this area the price of land skyrocketed. Now this wasteland is the most desireable. Farmers can sell it for 5 times what it used to be worth or borrow money against it. The ecconomy in our area is not that great but at least I have been able to employ some of my freinds and neighbours. New money in the area is a good thing. There will always be people against outfitting because ther are bad outfitters out there that treat residents poorly. There are also a lot of residents that support outfitting.Hunting is a renewable resourse. By the way, my family came over to this country 400 years ago, hence the name Pioneer Outfitters. This is also one of my favorite Web sites and everyone is entitled to there opinion be it wrong or right. David Doan Pioneer Outfitters. If I agreed with you then we'ed both be wrong. Just funning you. | |||
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Kutenay, Your situations regarding hunting are not much different than you see here in the states in many instances. Often the areas controlled by outfitters are adjacent to public lands but their control of the access eliminates my access to what is public land. Our areas where elk poplulations are concentrated are mountainous although often on public lands. In Wilderness areas there are air "taxis" as they are called in Idaho that take clients into remote air strips. Your problem is with the restrictive contracts. Find another charter service to fly you or make those restrictive contracts illegal. They can not keep you out of those air strips and using blockage, I would imagine is highly illegal. Use the laws that are available to you to safeguard your access to your public land, that is your right. I think you are not only biting off more than you can chew but starting on a path that is going to guarantee that you fail. Our hunting here in my home state of Washington also has a lot of what we call Roadless areas where only main roads can be used for access to the area. Hunting is still a backpacking or horse trip. I know that our situation was not brought about by outfitters but as the only natural solution to the large number of hunters wanting to access some of these areas. I do not know if that is even a problem in the areas you talk of. The interesting jump you make is to say that "that foreign Outfitters with foreign clients are excluding people like me from hunting where I wish to." Why do those people who are restricing you from access all of a sudden become Foreign Outfitters? Are not some, if not most of them Canadian outfitters? And their clients whether foreign or residents are not the ones blocking you, they are just paying to go hunting. BTW, the "average American hunter" does not have the wherewithall to hunt with outfitters in Canada or the U.S. They are 8 to 5 guys that scrimp and save to provide for their families and hopefully are able to take a weekend or at best a week and go hunting probably 100 miles away from home. I wish you the best. | |||
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Well said Chic. Kutenay you sound just like the people your profess to dislike. Do you dislike them because of what they do or because of what they have? You sound like you want it all for yourself, the same thing you accuse others of wanting. Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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I rather thought that the first question from Howard was somewhat leading, but, I replied to it with courtesy, based on many years experience in conservation-resource management. Now, I am told that I am just like those whom I ...profess to dislike... and this is supposed to make me more amenable to the presence of foreigners in B.C.'s gamefields???? O.K. here is the straight, no bullshit way I see it. You are godamed right I want it for myself and other Canadians and it is OUR country, get it? We do not have to allow anyone to hunt here that we don't want to share with, period. You, as an American, have absolutely NO right to as much as a single blade of grass in Canada, unless we want to give/sell it to you. The attitude that our wildlife is subject to international market forces and you have the right to hunt here, if you pay for it, is what pisses Canadians off. I want to stop the increasing commercialization of Canadian hunting and I feel quite confident that this will take place within a decade or less. I first became involved in conservation in 1960 when I was 14 yrs. old and was told for many years that we would never be able to have large wilderness parks in B.C. due to the all-powerful, American dominated forest industry. I thought then, as I do now, that the game was worth the candle and so did many other, well-educated, determined people.....we won and have our parks today; we will win this emerging political fight as well. At present, powerful, well-financed forces in the USA are ignoring the terms of NAFTA and the rulings of the WTO and have seriously damaged our softwood and agricultural products market with the US. My attitude is simply to fight back and fight just as rough as the US habitually does, major border taxes on natural gas, huge increases in electricity rates, no bottled water sales and absolutely no military cooperation with the USA for starters; stopping hunting, fishing and any other consumptive tourist activities as well seems fair to me. In order to preserve hunting opprtunities for we Canadians, such as wild Sheep, it is time to end foreign hunting in Canada and to repatriate all foreign-owned Guide-Outfitter territories. It's our hunting heritage and we have the right to keep it for ourselves. | |||
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Any Canadians willing to buy me out.[/QUOTE] In Manitoba? No Thanks Daryl | |||
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[/QUOTE] I am curious as to how outfitters make access diffcult for the citizens of Canada to access their public land. Can you give more detail?[/QUOTE] Howard, Most of the Air charters in the Yukon earn the majority of thier income from Outfitters. They will not fly you into lakes that are used by the outfitters. It will piss the outfitter off and they could lose thier business. I can access almost any area here with my horses. Nobody can stop me from doing that. It could make it a little harder for me to get work if I want to continue guiding, though. One Yukon outfitter set up tents on a bunch of lakes in his area so that people flying in would not land there, thinking that there was someone else hunting there allready. Resident hunting is not a problem for most Outfitters in the Yukon or NWT. In B.C, There are areas that are a real problem. I have seen this problem from both sides of the fence. Bottom line is the residents have a right to hunt. Daryl | |||
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Howard. Another way Outfitters use to restrict access is to pay landowners around the provincial parks or forest fringe to post their land. This method works well in central and eastern Sask,as well as near Riding Mtn. Park in Manitoba. They also have the Fish Cops on speed dial and call in bogus complaints against resident hunters and other outfitters. I have ridden on both sides of this bus and have no complaint against Americans hunting, fishing or anything else here, but you must realize that just because you have $ to spend that you can "have it your way". One way that Europeans use to buy up Outfitters is to have a Canadian 'front man' who they lend $ to, then place a caviet on the property,therby actually owning and controlling the business and clientile. Mark A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which he proposes to pay off with your money. Gordon Liddy | |||
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I read the post, at least most of it. The feeling I got was there were Canadians who resented Americans hunting there. As I was in the process of booking a black bear hunt for this season and there was alot of name calling going on. I went ahead and booked here in the USA. I am uncomfortable with the paperwork now needed to import my hunting rifle and an american can forget about handgun hunting up there, and now, I read about Canadians that resent american hunters. So-- you convinced me, I'll stay away. How long do you folks think you will stay in business with no american clients. Not a criticism, just a question. | |||
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Buckeye Shooter, I don't think that Canadians have a problem with Americans hunting up here. If I am not mistaken, I think the topic is about "foriegn ownership" of our renewable resources. There is big difference between Americans hunting here and Americans or other Non-Canadians owning rights to our resources. Besides, don't be so damned sensitive. Just say, "screw you" and hunt where the hell you want. Daryl | |||
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Buckeye. I for one have no problem with American hunters and am sorry if I projected this image.For 15 yr. I guided U.S. whitetail hunters in Sk. and found them to be great folks. I also guided in western Colorado for one elk season where I had some great hunters and a couple of a'holes. Most foreign black bear hunters in our area are from Spain.Most outfitters here have an established clientel and no internet yapping will chase them off. As for the 'paperwork' to get your guns across you will find it less hassle than the forms you fill out when purchasing a gun in Ohio.The $50 fee would piss me off.It is, in fact, easier for an American to get a gun into Canada than it is for a Canadian. I'm sorry you missed a chance for a great hunt here but that's your loss. Mark I know my spelling sucks!!! A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which he proposes to pay off with your money. Gordon Liddy | |||
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Buckeye I initially started this thread. If you had read the whole thread you would have seen that I stated a number of times I have no problem with Americans hunting here, no problems with visiting the US, also have a great respect for the avg. American! What the hell did you read? What I was wondering about was if the rumours I have been hearing were true re. foriegn (which includes the rest of the world not just US!) inerests buying up alot of our Northern B.C. guide areas and using Canadian frontmen to run them. Kutenay has his point of view which he is entitled to, and he has expressed it. You may not agree, fine you are entitled to your opinion. The trick is to ask yourselves if you'd be real happy to find out his was going on in your backyard before you go firing off posts and getting riled up. It is our resource, which our retarded govt. has seen fit to allow to fall into foriegn hands to more or less do whatever they want with. They are taking advantage of this in many places and deliberately limiting or stopping residents access to our own lands, by fair means or foul. This bugs the hell out of me, it sure as hell bugs the hell out of Kutenay too. Don't as a citizen of the US take it all personally. By the way you missed out on the best Bear hunt opportunity you could ever of had by not booking here! There simply is no better Bear hunting than in B.C. for a real shot at a TROPHY bear not just any bear but a real TROPHY black bear. God I hope the message got thru this time!  | |||
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The fact that there was so much anti-US feeling was what turned me off. You can not think that someone can read that infighting and have a positive feeling about it. My understanding is that alot of Canada is undeveloped and that it is one of the few remaining places where there is room for everyone. If I read that 'outsiders' are not welcome or you don't want them taking your rescources-- that has an effect. I don't want to feel like I am only welcome for my money-- which I have felt when in Quebec!! The extra restrictions on arms and paperwork also have an effect. I must also say-- that generally the problem is with US Customs not the Canadians! I have not been north after 9/11, it was a pain before--I can not imagine what it is like now! If the main problem is your government, I understand, I don't like the guy we have running things here, but he got elected so I have to live with it. I am positive hunting there would be enjoyable, I know I always enjoyed fishing there in the 80's. I am happy with going to a spot here in country. I don't think the experience will be less enjoyable. Even though I agree BC bear hunting would probably be better. I have always enjoyed Canadians-- except when they clog Interstate 71 with big assed mobile homes driving in the wrong lane too slow headed for Florida! My post was just an observation, I do not claim to know what the situation is there. | |||
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Hello; I wouldn't get too negative. Most Canadians welcome Americans, at least, most Americans. As for Quebec, Canadians fel the same way. I hear Gilles Duseppe wants an increase in transfer Payments for supporting the Liberals and guess where that will come from. Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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Yukoner, Sixty miles from where I sit typing this is the largest gold strike and fourth largest copper find in the history of Alaska; it's 80% owned by a mining company from B.C. I haven't heard one harsh word about ownership here because we're looking forward to the major economic shot in the arm it will give us. In spite of others, I will continue to hunt and fish in Canada. Getting guns across the border is no problem........Canadians always treat you well if you have manners and use them. Most of these bad feelings on this forum have been started by a nameless, faceless keyboard jockey that professes great experience and influence. And, yes, this would offend his "American friends" if he posted this drivel on the umpteen other sites he pompously visits. I've hunted and fished more than one deserves in Canada and will continue to do so as long as I feel welcome. I don't for one second believe that if I were in Whitehorse that you wouldn't sit down and have a beer with me. Pitting hunters against hunters is low and smacks of an anti-hunting agenda.......hopefully I'll fish in the Yukon this coming summer as I have the last two.......if I make it down, with your permission, I'd like to look you up. This is ridiculous argueing over what governments allow to go on........let's get back to hunting. A couple of other things; The Canadian Forum, as I understand it, is a forum for all nationalities to discuss hunting in Canada, not a forum for Canadians wanting to just further their personal agenda. The other thing is that I have had the opportunity to know Dave Doan of Pioneer Outfitters personally(not as a client) and he is a hard working family man that runs an honest business.....Dave's a good Canadian. Joe P.S. Canuck, you do a great job here as a moderator. Where there's a hobble, there's hope. | |||
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quote: Ovis, The forum was just set up for people to talk about hunting in Canada. That should be interpreted in any number of ways...it could be Canadians sharing info, concerns, whatever, with each other, or anyone else. And it could be other nationalities inquiring about or discussing hunting in Canada, with Canadians or anyone else that has an opinion or insight. Its really intended to be open ended. Provided that the subject is "Hunting in Canada" there really was no other limitation implied. And we're even pretty loose about staying "on topic". This forum does not have as much traffic as some of the others, so "Off Topic" posts aren't as much of a problem. If people want to push their own agendas, that's OK. Anyone that disagrees is free to comment or ignore. Whether I agree or disagree, I just do what I can to try and keep the discussions as "clean" as possible. Cheers, Canuck ps: thanks! | |||
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quote: pps: One of my best friends (a Canadian no-less!), was the project engineer for the bridges constructed on the road to that mine. He was stealing US wages, eh? When I complain about -40C (or F!), he tells me to suck it up. He was installing bridges at -67F on that job!Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Canuck, As far as the "agenda" comment, I stand corrected as to my interpretation. I too, have no problem with the expression of implied agenda as long as the poster doesn't sound as if the forum is for Canadians only........I have a pretty thick skin........Americans have their share of loudmouths, too. I've never felt as though I wasn't welcome in Canada or on any of the forums..........I just hate to see folks inciting people with a common bond to argueing about things individuals have no control over. This causes hard feelings when in these tumultuous times we certainly need no more of those. Stealing U.S. wages, eh??????????? Well, someone has to do it, eh??????????? My best friend is Canadian, too! The Peace Country is beautiful country..........People like us are very fortunate to live in country like we do....one thing I'd like to ask you though and I know this is a heart wrenching subject, but how are you guys living and breathing without Hockey????????? Maybe drinking copious quantities of good Canadian beer? By the way, up north on the little airstrip off which we stage our hunts, it was -56F with a windchill of -83F........last night it was calm but the temp was still -56...........balmy -20C(see I did learn something in Canada)here in the river bottom. Next time I'm near your area maybe our trails will cross.........Joe Where there's a hobble, there's hope. | |||
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Very interesting thread! At one level you have issues surrounding Sovereignty and on another level you have the differences between the American and Canadian general outlook on life.. One view point sees hunting as just another industry where market forces apply and the other, with dare I say it a more socialist outlook, views the opertunity to hunt as a right that should be available to all citizens equally not just to a select wealthy few. I am not sure that either view point is 100% correct and that is in most things an extreme view of a situation is rarely the best or most practical one. What I do know that this is a Canadian issue and is for Canadians to decide...they might listen to the opinion of others, but at the end of the day they should have the system that they want..if we don't like it, thats tough; we can hunt else where if we feel that strongly about it.. Regards, Pete | |||
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Pete E, I couldn't agree more......well stated. Joe Where there's a hobble, there's hope. | |||
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