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| I am fairly certain that this practice is illegal here, but, I may be wrong. I think that there may be one operating in Saskatchewan, but, I can't think of the name.
If, you want an Elk hunt in B.C., there are some outstanding outfits in the north-east where you will almost certainly be successful. The Elk population up there has expanded enormously and decent bulls are not that hard to get. |
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| Thanks, it's not for me. Somebody approached me for such an arrangement for a client. The hunter wants Vancouver Island blacks bears first and foremost. He's bringing the family, that is probably the reason he doesn't want to top it off with a backcountry hunt for elk. I'll check SK. I seem to remember a story by Oelrich in BGA about such an affair.
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| Saskatchewan has many fenced hunts for elk located in various parts of the province. |
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| That is not an Elk season, though, it is the special season for "budgies", fruits, nuts and flakes!!!-I wish!!!
For those of us who have to live in Vancouver, due to educational and/or career demands and who were born and raised in the rural areas of the province, such a season would be a bloody welcome event!
I find that Stanley Park is a where a normal guy practically needs to carry his .338 because Svends Friends now control the place and one is not "safe" on the trails there, if you know what I mean!? |
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| Frans,
I don't represent them but my taxidermist works closely with an operation in Sask. that offers not only 400 B&C elk but the grand slam of sheep and all kinds of crazy stuff if you want to pay for it. If you are interested I can get the contact info. for you. The clients that book this hunt are incredibly happy.
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Is anybody aware of any "game park" style operations in BC? For elk e.g.? Or elsewhere in Western Canada?
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Not in BC.
There was a fellow up where I live in the Cariboo who was selling bison on his ranch. He gave you a $100 discount on your 450lbs (average yearling) if you killed it yourself. Rifle being the safest way was what he insisted on. He coralled your animal to an area where you could kill it at a safe distance.
This was not being sold as a hunt but the CO's didnt see it that way. He was shut down and given a fine. If the customer walked up and beat it with a hammer, then that would be alright. I guess rules are rules and this is how they prevent loop holes even if its innocent enough. |
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| Saskatchewan is the only western province which still permits penned hunts! |
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| I am rather curious, Tikka, do you, given your profession, agree with these or not? I tend to be a believer in public lands and public game, but, if a person has a huge ranch and can make an honest dollar in today's tough world for farmers/ranchers, well..... Anyway, what's your take on it? |
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Is anybody aware of any "game park" style operations in BC? For elk e.g.? Or elsewhere in Western Canada?
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Not in BC.
There was a fellow up where I live in the Cariboo who was selling bison on his ranch. He gave you a $100 discount on your 450lbs (average yearling) if you killed it yourself. Rifle being the safest way was what he insisted on. He coralled your animal to an area where you could kill it at a safe distance.
This was not being sold as a hunt but the CO's didnt see it that way. He was shut down and given a fine. If the customer walked up and beat it with a hammer, then that would be alright. I guess rules are rules and this is how they prevent loop holes even if its innocent enough.
I don't see why you could not buy a live bison, and then, bill of sale in hand, kill it in any way you chose.
It is your livestock after the $ changes hands...If the bison is considered 'livestock.' |
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I don't see why you could not buy a live bison, and then, bill of sale in hand, kill it in any way you chose.
You and me both but thats the way it is. The rancher is in 70 Mile and was selling alot of bison. The other ranchers heared about him under pricing them this way and finked on him.
Like I said, it's only preventing a loop hole. |
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The fellow in 70 Mile was advertizing it in the newspaper as a "Hunt" not as a meat sale.
Cariboo.
If it wasnt you telling me this I wouldnt believe it because in the two years since this happened, its the first time I heard that. I live in 70 Mile too. This ranch is directly accross the lake from my road. I never seen it in the paper neither. I'm going to have to get a straight story out of Colin and Darcy since they were the ones who busted him.
I guess selling a bison hunt for cheaper than you could buy a bison dead could be appealing to some. I know he was giving the $100 discount because you were slaughtering it yourself. Foolish to call it a hunt and ruin a good thing. I also know that people were stopped from "slaughtering" them with their own gun but he continued to sell the bison for $100 more, dead of course.
Rolph shot one for himself. He was pretty choked when the other bison ranchers finked on him. Alot of poorer people were pooling their money together to get in on this deal. My friend and I were only a couple of days away from picking out one for ourselves. No one was acting out their hunting fantasies but just getting in on a good deal. |
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| Boilerroom I may have been mistaken, (shit what do I mean "May have", it happens all the time! LoL ) but I am pretty sure we are talking about the same place as I saw the adds when I was down there working. It may have been another ranch offering the hunts and I am getting them confused but I do know someone down there was. Talk to D'Arcy and see what he remembers. Colin has a tendancy interpret the regulations slightly different than anyone else  and may well have given a ticket where it wasn't warrented. |
| | | Posts: 277 | Location: McLeese Lake, B. C. Canada | Registered: 06 June 2003 |
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| kutenaymtnboy,
Personally, I think a farmer or rancher has the right to do with their own live stalk as they see fit. I don't see any difference between raising cattle to be slaughtered and raising elk, deer, etc to be slaughtered. While penned hunting does not appeal to me as a hunter, they do serve a niche in the market.
However, professionally I cheered when penned hunting was closed in Manitoba. My opposition to penned hunting is opposition to any type of ungulate game farming. This is based on the tremendous potential for CWD transmission from domesticated elk & deer to wild herds. Again, this is only in Manitoba as the management of game farms falls under control of the dept. of Agriculture NOT Conservation. The problem is the dept of Ag. is driven by increasing farmer income, NOT protecting our natural resources. As such they failed to listen to any warnings from the Wildlife Branch when CWD started to show up in game farms which were exporting animals into MB. The dept of Ag refused to place any limitations on importing animals from known hot spots or even require double fencing to limit contact between wild and domesticated animals. So when the antis made it a political issue and forced the closure, even groups like MWF didn't oppose the closure as it was the best protection if wildlife at the time.
Thankfully, the fear of CWD and creation of Viagra killed the asian demand for ungulate velvet over night! Thus, the economics of game farming went in the tank. |
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| They also have the most CWS. |
| | | Posts: 480 | Location: B.C.,Canada | Registered: 20 January 2002 |
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I don't see why you could not buy a live bison, and then, bill of sale in hand, kill it in any way you chose.
You and me both but thats the way it is. The rancher is in 70 Mile and was selling alot of bison. The other ranchers heared about him under pricing them this way and finked on him.
Like I said, it's only preventing a loop hole.
I guess what I would do, is pay for the livestock, then I would put on a whole bunch of camo gear.
I would sneak into the pen, crouching, crawling..
And then make an excellent shot with a .300 RUM...The gun would of course- be equipted with a HUGE scope....
And then I would pose for pics!!!
This CO 'Colin' has a bit of a rep, I have heard from a number of sources...Problem is, the LAW is the LAW...Interpretation only takes you so far in court...  |
| | | Posts: 3082 | Location: Pemberton BC Canada | Registered: 08 March 2001 |
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This CO 'Colin' has a bit of a rep, I have heard from a number of sources...Problem is, the LAW is the LAW...Interpretation only takes you so far in court...
I've never had a problem with him but have heard some complaints.
I met a CO last year out of Clearwater named Kevin. He was quite the guy. He just kept asking "any big bucks?", "How wide?", "where did you see him", "Shit, I need some time off!!". After shooting the shit with him for a 1/2 hour and trying not to give away my big bucks, he went on his way without even asking for my licence or seeing if my rifle was loaded in the truck. He had that desperate look in his eye. Definately mulie crazy!! 
A couple of other CO's the year before out of Clearwater surprised me. I was talking with these hunters for 10 minutes and next thing you know I had my licence and rifles being checked by them. Under cover. |
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| Gatehouse, After you shoot the Bison with your 300 RUM. ( are you sure you wouldn't rather use a 375 RUM?) Make sure you remember to crouch down 16 feet behind the Bison for the pictures. Or you could use alot of Camo and a really big Bowie knife. |
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| I can see this as being a bonanza for physically challenged hunters who could not otherwise hunt. Someone who doesn't have a lot of years remaining and is handicapped might be thrilled at the chance to bag one final large game animal. I wouldn't be opposed to that at all. Best wishes.
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After you shoot the Bison with your 300 RUM. ( are you sure you wouldn't rather use a 375 RUM?)
Make sure you remember to crouch down 16 feet behind the Bison for the pictures.
Or you could use alot of Camo and a really big Bowie knife.
Damn!! I forgot about the big knife! You'd need that for sure.. Maybe a Weatherby like a 378 would be more appropriate!
I'd use face paint, too! Damn...I am such a jackass...at least I know it! 
Actually, if I don't get a bloody bison draw in the next few years, I'll start looking at some sort of ranch that you can hunt them on...It would have to be a 'hunt' though.
I wouldn't be opposed to killing a bison in a pen for meat either. The guy up the road from me has a bison ranch, and he shots them in the head with a 30-06. To me, that's just slaughtering livestock, no different than a cow... |
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ITo me, that's just slaughtering livestock, no different than a cow...
We had a few ranchers who were selling hamburger cows for 100 bucks a head last fall. With the BSE scare and hay shortages looming due to the drought last summer dry cows would not even bring a single bid at the auction houses. The anaimals were sold "on-the-hoof" in the rancher's holding pen.
So this begs the question ................. what is the best cartridge/rifle combination for hunting the elusive black angus ??? ? LoL |
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Otherwise they're nowhere to be seen.
