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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada...ed-by-bear-1.7579338 Conservation officers say they interviewed the man and a witness, deeming the attack was in a remote location and " defensive in nature ," and the service will therefore not try to capture or kill the animal. I dare say the bear was in no danger from the fire fighter so how could it be defensive A B.C. wildfire fighter was scratched and bitten by a grizzly bear while on the job Friday, the B.C. Wildfire Service says. It happened Friday morning at the Summit Lake fire, about 110 kilometres west of Fort Nelson, in the province's far northeast, said B.C. Wildfire information assistant Emily Baker. "A crew leader was scouting ahead of the group and encountered a mother grizzly bear with two cubs," she said. "In a matter of seconds, the mother bear charged the individual." She said the crew leader used a "hand tool" to fight off the bear while yelling for help, and other crew members ran to the scene while running chainsaws and yelling in order to scare the bear off. The victim was airlifted to hospital with "fairly minor injuries" and has since been released, she said. | ||
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I live up in this area. Lots of grizzlies and it is a rare year that one or two people do not get nailed by a grizzly. As for defensive...I am surprised at your comment...it is an easy concept. It is viewed as a defensive attack on the bears part. The sow viewed the firefighters as a threat with her cubs. She attacked and then when the rest of the crew confronted her, she took her cubs and departed. It is of no importance that we know the firefighter was not a threat, the bear perceived him as a threat to her cubs, which is why the Conservation officers refer to it that way. She didn't attack him for her and the cubs to snack on. This is a wilderness area and the crew was way back, dropped by a chopper. Exceedingly unlikely the sow is going to become a serial killer of hominids, so they are leaving her and her cubs alone. And as far as grizzly attacks go, he did get off with fairly minor injuries. Very unfortunate for this young man, but he and his fellow workers showed they have some stones. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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So does that mean a human can view a grizzly as a threat and dangerous and shoot them on sight. Because it is just there. The whole idea that these are defensive attacks is just anti's pushing the idea. Animals are good and humans are bad. Just made up BS by some pro bear researches who think they can or could read a bears mind. Grizzly's attack because that is what grizzly's do. Trying to contribute human quality's to them is just BS. No one can read a bears mind or tell you what a bear is thinking or why they acted in a certain way They do what they do because they are bears. Trying to say other wise is just BS. | |||
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Your post is bullshit...but then I have noticed you are always right abut everything, or so you think. I have spent most of my life hunting and guiding in grizzly country. Based on your oh so knowledgeable views, not a year of my adult life would have gone by without killing a couple of grizzlies. Thank christ everyone doesn't hold your views or the countryside would be littered with dead predators, shot because of all the inexperienced people feeling threatened by their mere presence. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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How is it bullshit. So you can read a bears mind you know a bear attack's for what ever reason. What BS. Or are you relying on the theory of some wildlife expert who told you so. The idea of grizzly attack is defensive is a relatively new one. Bears attack for what ever reason a bear attacks for. Known only to the bear. The idea a bear can tell in a split second it is in danger is BS. The idea that humans can't is also BS. I rather trust a human then a bear any day. At least with a human they can understand what you are saying Bears hear BAH BAH BAH BAH. I hear the same from others. I never had to so no one ever has to. Phil Shoemaker said the same thing for many years, Then all of sudden dam he had to kill one with a 9mm. | |||
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Your response was oh so predictable. Carry on. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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So is yours. | |||
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ah ah Kelly so right ... that will be interesting to explain to cos about dlp just because of a bluff charge ... it happened to all of us to get bluff charges with grizzlies and we are still alive and the bears too ... on another note i had to shoot 2 black bears while guiding in northern quebec but it was way more obvious than they were looking for us while the caribous where down. | |||
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As noted. I live in black bear country. I never had to shoot one why did you. But people are injured and or killed every year by grizzlies. The tired it has not happen to me so it will not happen. What do you guys tell the people who are injured or kill by bears. So sad, to bad. It's like saying I never have drowned so no one needs a PFD I never been in a car crash so no needs a seat belt. I never had a house fire so no one needs fire extinguisher. Just because it has never happen to you doesn't means it well not happen to someone else. Just ask Phil Shoemaker who said for years if you behave yourself. I been in bear country for decades, I never had to shoot a bear in Self-defense. Bear spray is all you need. But Dam I just had to shoot one with a 9mm. Never even tried spray first. | |||
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My God, a dog fight over bear attacks.  Who knows what goes on in the mind of a bear, anything unusual or out of the ordinary, even sudden can be perceived as a threat. He ain't looking for trouble but somebody might get a licking, hard hatted guy clad in red coveralls, swinging a axe, coming through the bush , I might be reaching for the shotgun.  I gather he wasn't equipped with bear spray and no training was provided, we've got firefighters from all over here, many of them would have no familiarity with bears of either kind.When the horse has been eliminated, human life may be extended an average of five or more years. James R. Doolitle I think they've been misunderstood. Timothy Tredwell | |||
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living in bear country and living among them is not exactly the same ... if for years Phil shoemaker did not shoot a brown bear in dlp that should tell you a lot about his way he learnt on bear s behavior ... now for the bears i had to shoot one ransacked what we called the meat house where we were hanging the caribou meat and tried to enter in 2 cabins with people inside ... the second one charged us while i was cutting one of the three caribous my hunters killed. he came downhill and was locked on us and did not bluff charged ... you are the one focusing on bear attacks we do not ... we know they are there and we will deal with that. im camping in grizzly country almost 40 to 50 days a year and im sleeping with a 12 ga loaded that doesnt mean i will stop the attack if this happening but so far never lost a sleep on that ... now on your own behavior if some people that have dealt with bears most of their lives you should listen people like Kelly or Phil but you are certainly too stupid or too idiot to reach that concept ... now for something more hilarious if you ever been up north pfd are useless unless you got out the water in 5 minutes or unless trained to survive in cold water coming from glacier ... most of the time it is used to recover only the body, that doesnt stop us to use them ... but again you know better ... | |||
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It just another prudent thing to do. Like tarping ones fire wood so it's not wet in the morning. I have spent many weeks canoe camping over very cold water. The five minutes a PFD gives you might just be enough. Many times I have taken the long way around a lake to stay with easy reach of shore. Instead of cutting across vast expansions of open water. It is about acting smartly and prudently. No just because one lives in AK or or places does not give them. The only knowledge available. | |||
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knowledge is one thing, experience is the thing ... | |||
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One can lead to the other. As one can learn, from the other. Books over doing. Having instructed thousands of students over the last 50 years. Some learned very well using that knowledge, in the experience area. Some must of been sleeping in class. Does one hand a skill saw too someone who has never seen or used one and say cut that 2x6. But then even very skilled saw users have cut off fingers. Just like Phil very leaned a degree in wildlife biology. Decades experience around bears. But neither of those things prevented him from having to kill a bear in-self-defense. A person can have decades of exspearince doing the wrong things. If he hasn't gain the knowledge to do the right thing. All his experience is worth nothing. A person can become very knowledgeable. But unless he can put that knowledge to work it means nothing. Experience and knowledge is/are not exclusive things. One enhances the other. | |||
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if you are claiming to be teaching for 50 years your messages are not reaching the alaskans or canadians ones for sure ... | |||
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One can teach one, One can't make them learn. As the old saying goes. It some one is to stubborn to change their path, it can be a very bumpy road One can lead a horse to water, But one can't them drink. A old fool is not smarter, then a young fool. I don't expect Canadians to gain much handgun experience do to their legal situation. Handguns are very popular in AK. We now have 28 states that no permit to carry is needed , We can now carry (2009) in almost all national parks Handgun sales over the last decade have hit record highs. Carry permits have hit record numbers. More and more people are talking about handguns for bear defense. I say It working in the states. | |||
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thinking because we cannot carry we do not train with handguns is another reason you do not know what you are talking about ... | |||
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Approximately 1.1 millions legal handguns in Canada. Approximately 250 millions in the USA. A little difference, I thought experience was the most important thing. Training and doing are two different matters. I have done a heck of a lot of both. I carry ever day in bear country I have carried in all the grizzly states yes even AK. I killed bears with more then one caliber of handgun. Heck I even carried handguns Through Canada to Alaska when it was legal back in the 70/s. Check them at the border went on my way. Have you shot any big game animal with a handgun. I have shot dozens. How many bears have you killed with of handguns. Have you even ever shot a bear with a handgun. How many handguns do you own how often to you carry. What type of permit do have. Time to put up or shut up. What is your handgun experience. I own dozens, from 22lr to 460S&W. been a professional firearms instructor for decades. . Hold what is called a HR218 permit that allows me to carry in all 50 states. Shot hundreds of thousands of rounds, Fired most handgun calibers from 22lr to 500 S@W and 45-70. I am sure your vast experience is far superior to mine. I bow to your vast knowledge and firearms experience | |||
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i will not play yours is bigger than mine but i ll say few things ... i was selected among the seventh certified coaches to be part of london and rio de janeiro canada team for handguns ... i do own enough handguns that i need more than a safe ... but a certain thing is that i cannot buy anymore any of those that i want like most of the canadians i will say. i had for my job an ATC 24/7 and i was qualified with 9mm, 10mm, 45acp and 357 mag. and i was a sniper in a nato army country ... now for hunting with handguns i never had any interest for that so it never occured to do so but i carried legally and openly a 1911 45 acp while working in car ... i open carried legally as well in alaska when going fishing before the new rules came to place in canada ... but i will repeat i will not play yours is bigger than mine as i already said you do not know who you are talking with on internet and if you want to say you won that is perfect for me. | |||
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So we are both very qualified. So why do carry a handgun in AK. I don't think it is for protection from the fish. The facts are people get attack by bears every year. On Saturday we just had a 69yoa women attack by a black bear 50 miles from my house. Firearms are the best defense against a bear that put you in danger. From one of your posts, they tend to work well. on another note i had to shoot 2 black bears while guiding in northern quebec but it was way more obvious than they were looking for us while the caribous where down. Where legal I advocate carrying a firearm for bear protection when needed. So be it bears are not sacred animals killing them does not bother me a bit I only advocate shooting a bears only when legal be it a hunting situation or to protect life and property. All the time and all the bears, I spent or have run into. I Never had to kill a bear attacking me. Came close I few times were they buff charges or bears being bears. I can not read a bears mind or do I care why. All I know is they they stopped placing me in danger before I had to pull the trigger. A few more feet another second or two I would have shot them. Enjoy your time out doors I am going to start running bear baits in a week or. | |||
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