Damn girls.... your panties are getting twisted.

frankly I could care less how many of you liberal dipsticks agree with me this aggressive bastard needed educated.

Macijefm "do you mind if I just start calling you Marci?"
Marci dear why in the world would you ever consider the number of a persons posts on this site a measure of their knowledge or intelligence?
Does it all begin and end for you here?
As a matter of fact I am an animal behaviorist, and travel the freeking world teaching people about them.
But you my dear apparently fall right in line with the majority of others who are causing the bulk of the problems people are having with bears.

When hunters instead of sightseeing wannabees actually roamed the woods bears, mountain lions and wolves had a far healthier respect for mankind.
Now we have people like yourself who don't really know if they want to carry a rifle or a camera saying things like "well you realize that they were here first, and we are in their home now and we have to respect that...."
What a load of liberal , tree hugging, democratic bullshit..
But frankly my dear I could give a flying fuk if you agreed with me or not.
I realized a long time ago what it takes on the bottom side to make average IQ average, I see you now and apparently you are one of those.
Thats OK, you have rights too.

So sorry if you are feeling all bloated and crampy Marci but you really are kind of cute in sort of a weak and pathetic way.

More??

Yep this is what that sucker needed...

Take two Midol babe and things will look different in the morning when you wake up..

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Originally posted by bucko:
Damn girls.... your panties are getting twisted.

frankly I could care less how many of you liberal dipsticks agree with me this aggressive bastard needed educated.

Macijefm "do you mind if I just start calling you Marci?"
Marci dear why in the world would you ever consider the number of a persons posts on this site a measure of their knowledge or intelligence?
Does it all begin and end for you here?
As a matter of fact I am an animal behaviorist, and travel the freeking world teaching people about them.
But you my dear apparently fall right in line with the majority of others who are causing the bulk of the problems people are having with bears.

When hunters instead of sightseeing wannabees actually roamed the woods bears, mountain lions and wolves had a far healthier respect for mankind.
Now we have people like yourself who don't really know if they want to carry a rifle or a camera saying things like "well you realize that they were here first, and we are in their home now and we have to respect that...."
What a load of liberal , tree hugging, democratic bullshit..
But frankly my dear I could give a flying fuk if you agreed with me or not.
I realized a long time ago what it takes on the bottom side to make average IQ average, I see you now and apparently you are one of those.
Thats OK, you have rights too.

So sorry if you are feeling all bloated and crampy Marci but you really are kind of cute in sort of a weak and pathetic way.

So who wants to bet that the closest that this guy has ever gotten to a bear is when his mommy takes him to the zoo??

Ya did good Demonical

This thread has gone to the toilet, it wasn't quite what I had in mind when I posted this story. A couple of guys that cannot let each other get the last word in.

I shouldn't have bothered to post the fucking story.

Have a nice day and thanks to the peeps that have contributed positive comments.

Seems ol' Bunko isn't well liked by our northern neighbors.

Demonical.....start a new thread by cutting and pasting the code from your original post here and send a PM to Chris or DRG to delete this thread...I'm sure no one but Bonko will care.

The photos are very good and should be appreciated by (most) everyone.

PS - maybe you shouldn't post the controversial part about you stalking the bear and taunting him with the tuna sandwhich you had in your pack...

Marci my dear your selective reading is showing again..
Demonical included you in that statement as well in case you had chosen not to notice.
As you failed to notice my second post in this silly thread where I advocated using less than lethal means to educate this bear.
I also frankly do not care a whit more what these other dips think or have to say.
As far as I know they could have been part of the party that stood around with their thumbs up their butts wringing their hands while a black bear ate someones grandmother a short while ago.

And it appears again that you fail to remember that you were the one who began being a smart assed punk in this thread to begin with.

Demonical at least made an effort to educate this bear.
He shot into the ground and ran at it with his quad.
Here is the unfortunate part though about that, with animals like this you are either effective, or not effective.
Sort of effective is worse than doing nothing at all.
So all that he actually accomplished is teaching this bear that he really is dominant.
And for bears jumping on picnic tables while a family is eating there?????
How stupid is it to allow that kind of behavior? my word ladies give it some thought.. Why in hell is there not a bear education program of some sort taking place?
This bear is destined to die as it is, he will rob a tent too many, break into a car, or drag some child off into the woods.
All that guy with the 38 did was save your flathats some paperwork, he should have gotten an award.
What the freeking mounties were pissed at really is that he had the balls to bring a 38 into their French suburb.
How dare a man defend himself or his family? The bears were here first after all...

But I am through with this thread now and you, but if you are ever coming down Arizona way drop me a note.
I would not mind going out of my way a bit to visit with you, kind of like the chance to see if you are really as big a smart ass in person as you are here.
And no need to reply in public if you don't want to, my private messaging works just fine.

Demonical,

You've got balls of steel, my man! I think many lesser men, possibly myself, would have shot the bear.

It seems to me he's probably the dominant guy in his neck of the woods and wanted you to know it. The idea that he was demonstrating bad behavior seems ridiculous to me. That's just an example of assigning human traits to an animal. I think he was doing what top predators do, establishing dominance.

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doing what top predators do, establishing dominance

Exactly......

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doing what top predators do, establishing dominance

And people don't??? Marci, Marci...

Are you talking to me again Bunko??

I thought you were through with this thread??

Absolutely, all predators, in fact all species attempt to establish dominance....even rodeo horses and pigs and cows and goats and dogs and cats and whatever else you've been whispering to....

I have some connections in the film business....you think you could pull off the part of the "Hog Whisperer"?? I know you're good with horses but aren't hogs a lot smarter than horses?

So think of it dude...Caesar is the "Dog Whisperer" and you Bonko or whatever your stage name could be are "The Hog Whisperer"

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Originally posted by bucko:

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doing what top predators do, establishing dominance

And people don't??? Marci, Marci...

Sure, people at times become the dominant predator but keep in mind that Demonical wasn't hunting at the time. He was visiting the bear's domain, not the other way around. Scary as the incident was, it turned out the way it was supposed to, with both Demonical and the bear alive.

Slug in all honesty it is the attitude that he was "entering into the bears domain" that scares me the worst.

Since when did we as humans become second on the food chain?
Why is it that you think that we have to consider the woods the bears house and we need to respect their rights?
In all honesty I feel that this is the attitude that contributes to much of the anti's twisted logic.
As a human and a hunter I can't help but feel that WE have the rights to the woods, and HE lives there as our choice.

Thinking the other way leads us down the path of eventually feeling and believing that we are in fact trespassing on his turf, and in his home.
We are not, we are the dominant predator and we own the woods, not the other way around.
We are not slipping into the woods and stealing something.
We are walking into the woods and taking what is ours.
I appreciate the wild things as much or more than anyone, and I also respect animals as much or more than anyone likely to post on this subject as they are my life and I do have a good grasp of who and what they are.

However I also do not apologize for being who I am either, and that is the king of the freeking jungle when I walk in.
I am the dominant predator, I am at the top of the food chain, and yes I do own the damn woods, or I should say we are and do.
We then have the choice to be considerate and respectful towards what else walks there.
But it is our choice, our right and when they forget that as this bear is doing is when we start having real problems.

We have four cattle ranches here in Arizona, about 500,000 acres in all of high desert.
There are mountain lions on most of that country and yet in all the years of riding here I have seen one.
They do not stalk people here like they do in California, they do not eat hikers.

And I completely believe that it is the attitude that we carry with us and project towards them anytime we are in the mountains.
It is very simple, it is that WE own these damn mountains and I have a lion tag in my pocket..

Animals can sense these things, they know when they are looking at a dominant predator , or prey.

I choose to not be prey, in act or attitude.

For EVERYBODY, to put the record straight, as I see it.

The forest is the domain of the grizzly, the moose, the black bear etc.

When people go hunting, hiking, nature watching or whatever, they enter the animals domain. We can co-exist as long as each other is aware of and respects the other.

I love to hunt but only for the old mature animals. I love to watch and photograph deer, moose, BEARS especially.

When I ran into ol' Bad News there, I over-stepped the bear's comfort zone and pushed it by whistling at it (3 or 4 times), plus I was visible to the bear and I suppose from the bear's perspective, it probably pissed the bear off thinking that I was not afraid and not showing it enough respect. So it reacted in the appropriate way, in that situation.

I like to think I did the appropriate thing as well by clearly demonstrating to the bear that he had to back off from me.

After I fired at his feet we both backed off, "things" had been established.

Now when I go back up there in Sept, Oct to hunt moose and bear, I will be camped 1/2 a mile from where this encounter happened. I will be at MY CAMPSITE and if that bear (or any other bear) decides to visit my campsite then he will be entering my domain and I suppose "things" would have to be worked out again.

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As a human and a hunter I can't help but feel that WE have the rights to the woods, and HE lives there as our choice.

Something along the lines of that verse in Genesis.

"You humans created in our image are in charge of all the beasts" or something like that.

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Originally posted by bucko:
Slug in all honesty it is the attitude that he was "entering into the bears domain" that scares me the worst.

Since when did we as humans become second on the food chain?
Why is it that you think that we have to consider the woods the bears house and we need to respect their rights?
In all honesty I feel that this is the attitude that contributes to much of the anti's twisted logic.
As a human and a hunter I can't help but feel that WE have the rights to the woods, and HE lives there as our choice.

Thinking the other way leads us down the path of eventually feeling and believing that we are in fact trespassing on his turf, and in his home.
We are not, we are the dominant predator and we own the woods, not the other way around.
We are not slipping into the woods and stealing something.
We are walking into the woods and taking what is ours.
I appreciate the wild things as much or more than anyone, and I also respect animals as much or more than anyone likely to post on this subject as they are my life and I do have a good grasp of who and what they are.

However I also do not apologize for being who I am either, and that is the king of the freeking jungle when I walk in.
I am the dominant predator, I am at the top of the food chain, and yes I do own the damn woods, or I should say we are and do.
We then have the choice to be considerate and respectful towards what else walks there.
But it is our choice, our right and when they forget that as this bear is doing is when we start having real problems.

We have four cattle ranches here in Arizona, about 500,000 acres in all of high desert.
There are mountain lions on most of that country and yet in all the years of riding here I have seen one.
They do not stalk people here like they do in California, they do not eat hikers.

And I completely believe that it is the attitude that we carry with us and project towards them anytime we are in the mountains.
It is very simple, it is that WE own these damn mountains and I have a lion tag in my pocket..

Animals can sense these things, they know when they are looking at a dominant predator , or prey.

I choose to not be prey, in act or attitude.

Call me all the names you want but I prefer the wild remains wild. Do you suggest we go to Africa and put the lions in their place? We should immediately head to the Arctic and show those polar bears a thing or two! Next we head into the waters of the pacific to teach the great whites a lesson they'll never forget!

Geez, Bucko, if all of us thought like you then there would be no more wilderness, only ranches like yours where humans reign supreme and all wildlife could be killed at the drop of a hat. Glad you're not my neighbor.

Slug by danged I think that you have got it!!

Demonical I think that your efforts were well intentioned and about as good as you could do with what you had on hand short of shooting the bastard.
I only think that it is too bad that you did not have something else on hand that could have made a real impression.
And what that could have been I am not sure,, a load of birdshot in the ass, or a rubber slug.
Because the fact is that you were not effective, instead you only served to reinforce that we are ineffective.
I am also curious why the tag in your pocket during hunting season makes you feel different..

And Marci "can I just call you Obamagirl?"" you would actually be amusing if you were not such a sarcastic little thing as a habit..
I see a common thread in all of your posts to people on these boards, you never contribute much except smart assed comments to peoples sincere answers or questions.
Why is that? deep seated feelings of inadequacy?? resentments from not being picked for the cheerleading squad??
Stood up at homecoming? what is it girl? are you a jilted lover? surely you can find it in you to grow beyond it whatever it is.
Your hogwhispering piece is rather cute though, thanks I take it as a compliment.
Did you know that hogs are the next smartest mammal under a chimp?
And tell your buddy in the film biz "why did that not surprise me?",, what did you say his name was? Michael Moore??
Anyway tell him no thanks for me but he might be able to get you a spot on that dog grooming show,,that is kind of a thing where you might finally find some acceptance among your own kind and can gain some much needed confidence.

Probably an inflated sense of self-confidence from being the top predator...

Dewey would you please explain why you are not in favor of birdshot or rubber slugs?
Is there a factual reason or simply an emotional one?

Dewey,

This thread has gotten pretty wierd. It always seems that one american talking about putting the fear of god into something by shooting it is all it takes to F%$K things up. Bucko just be a man and admit that you were wrong in the first place. It's really not hard at all.

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Originally posted by oopswasthatyourdog?:
...Bucko just be a man and admit that you were wrong in the first place....

Thanks a lot!

Now we'll have to put up with another three pages of this hell!

That truly is "bad news"

Well frankly it is quite simple, I am not wrong.

The problems that we are having in both of our countries concerning black bears and cougars are at least 90% attributable to the types of human encounters that these two species are experiancing.
It is not that we are having more contact with these animals that is causing the problems, it is the attitudes of people jsut like yourselves that are conditioning them to see us as prey instead of predator.

It is interesting how you will twist a conversation to fit your goals..
I never once suggested that rubbers or birdshot be used to stop a charge.
How assinine would that feeble attempt be?
A 12gauge slug or a 338 would be my tool of choice in that situation.
What I am saying is that in instances such as Demonicals encounter with this bear that he needed to be ran off as another dominant bear would have done to him.
Instead he was allowed to stand his ground and display.
And even worse is that an attempt was made to drive him away but not followed through with effectively.

I am so completely not impressed with statements of years of experiance, it is a proven fact that most all stop experiancing and start simply repeating quite early in their careers.
In fact it is the conservationalist attitudes that in my firm opinion are responsible for most of the maulings that do occur.
For the very reasons that have been stated.

These animals have been conditioned for many generations to not have respect for humans, until now they are invading our campgrounds and eating humans at their whim.
Take for example the excellent manner in which the camp raiding bears are dealt with by well meaning people such as yourselves.
They are tagged and monitored and patrols are kept to attempt to deter until they are finally hauled off only to return again until they are finally " regretfully " destroyed as habitual offenders..
Why are they?? because well meaning weak hearted people like many who are posting here don't have the balls to stand up and say no more!
Put a welt on that bastards ass that will not wear off for a month and he will leave the vicinity..
Put a shock collar around his neck that would light a house and which is automatically triggered when he is within a hundred yards of a campground and the message will get through.

And finally start cahnging our attitudes towards how we should be seen n the woods by these animals.
No we don't peadfully coexist you hypocritical dipwhits,, we hunt and kill the suckers AT OUR WHIM.
If you don't believe that my little flowerchildren then go completely for it and stop sitting on the fence.
Sell your guns, buy a camera and you also can become bear shit for your beliefs.

As for myself, well I believe diferently and you all have a nice day.
No more needs be said.

And frankly girls you really should stop and realize that you in fact do enjoy reading this tripe or you would NOT be clicking on it..
So give me a break, and stop your pathetic bitching.

Jesus, enough already.

We've given this a lot of thought. From now on your AR name is...(f)ucko.

Well shit J-Lo now you have went and done it, I won't get a lick of sleep tonight.

Grenadier I have to admit that I have had to think about your comment for a while, because my first thought was humorous.
But then I researched your past posts and you really are just a truly nice fellow aren't you?

I truly do not agree with your logic nor reasoning and wholeheartedly believe that it is not just wrong but dangerous to operate that way.
But that is just a disagreement of opinion, it is refreshing at least to meet someone here on this subject that is not a smart assed punk.

Thanks

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It always seems that one american talking about putting the fear of god into something by shooting it is all it takes to F%$K things up. Bucko just be a man and admit that you were wrong in the first place. It's really not hard at all.

Haha silly Yankee
Prob best for you to just stick to killin 90 lbs whitetails with a .458 win mag.

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Originally posted by schmaus:

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It always seems that one american talking about putting the fear of god into something by shooting it is all it takes to F%$K things up. Bucko just be a man and admit that you were wrong in the first place. It's really not hard at all.

Haha silly Yankee
Prob best for you to just stick to killin 90 lbs whitetails with a .458 win mag.

Looky here y'all...Boinko has a friend...awwww...ain't that cute!! Some East-West Canuck Rivalry.



Dang!!....Sorry to interrupt Binko...back to you since it's your thread.....

Obamagirl you silly little slut what are you doing shaking your ass over here again??

And Shmooze what hole did you crawl out of to come sucking up trying to make points with the girls??

How many goats did you Boink rope today Boinko??

haha are there even any wild animals left in the states, for you to base your opinions on?

JEEEZ.......
I so hate sparring with the handicapped.

haha so i guess there is no shadow boxing with a mirror for you EH!!

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Originally posted by Grenadier:
Demonical - Meaning no disrespect, but maybe you brought this encounter on yourself.

Look at it from the bear's perspective: You're out having a walk in the woods and this big noisy man riding an ATV comes around the corner so you stop and watch it carefully. The ATV stops and the man gets off. He's staring at you and begins approaching with something threatening in his hands. You've seen men before but they've never acted like this. You try to ignore him and go back to your picnic but the man moves closer and stops, glaring at you with one big eye (camera). You are worried so you try to scare the man off, slowly at first, but when that doesn't work you try some false charges. But the man won't budge. You jaw pop. You stand to make yourself look bigger. You try a closer charge. But the man still doesn't move. Then, as if he had no fear of you, the man points a stick at you and makes an earsplitting noise. That's it; time to retreat. So you saunter off - never run from the man or you might kindle his instinct to pursue. You think you are safely away when all of a sudden the man comes back on the ATV. You throw a fit and tear up everything around you but that doesn't work. The man won't go away. Suddenly, the ATV charges you. You turn and run away. Good thing you're a fast runner. This man has to be "bad news".

If you had stayed with the ATV, taken some pictures and then gone off in another direction, I bet the bear wouldn't have been such bad news.

Grenadier, I admitted that what I did caused the confronatation, so we agree I guess. I'm guessing that you did not read all the posts, cuz I have said about 5-6 times that I was at fault for taking the bear for granted.
That's no problem. Helluva lot of BS to wade through thanks to a few doughheads. So yeah, no offense taken.

If you read the whole thread, you can pretty much tell who the people are that you would want at your back in the wilderness. There's a few of the people here that I could say that about.

No offense intended towards any of the Americans here, but the best answers and insight are not too surprisingly from the guys that live in B.C. and Alberta and have first-hand experience with lots of bears.

I am always amazed when this type of BS gets rolling. Generally speaking the more knowledgable people will state their case and that's it. The guys that need to go on and on are the people that I would decline to bring along with me. Bucko, you would not be WELCOME in my camp. I have the idea that you are pretty insecure, even scared a bit, about the wilderness and animals, based on your rant. Macifej, other then working to piss off Bucko what the hell have you contributed to the discussion?

If people have constructive criticism of what I did, what I experienced or want to share similar type stories, then I welcome that.

My lord would somone please help this guy out?

Schmoozer if you will notice I have deliberately not belittled nor disrespected your country.
I have my own beliefs regarding how these problems should be dealt with and there is no real difference between the US and Canada in that respect.
Both countries have far to lax an attitude and the results are speaking for themselves.

However while you are now disrespecting not just me, "which frankly I could give a fuck about since I am simply considering the source" but you are disrespecting my country now.

I have spent much time in Canada, and have a great deal of appreciation and respect for the country and for many Canadians.

So if I may make a suggestion,, say what you will about me, it would be a good idea to leave the countries out of it.

Demonical you arrogant dip why would you think I would want in your camp?
You only started this thread you did not give birth to the damn thing.
Stop taking it so personal that you could not control how it has unfolded.

So piss off.

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why would you think I would want in your camp?

I agree Bucko...I wouldn't want to be in his camp either!

Demon - I've contributed quite a lot...like getting Bucko his own show as the "Hog Whisperer". He's getting too old to be ropin' them dairy cows anyway.

ok Bucko you win,

I tell you what, why don't you come up here and do some hunting. In one day I could show you elk deer moose and (maybe) both kinds of bears. I guarantee you, you will have a good time and maybe learn something. I just get a little tired of arrogant americans (ok they are not all arrogant) coming on here and offering advice on subjects that they are not very knowledgeable.

Well sheeeit,, color me amazed! Macifej are you agreeing with me??
I do appreciate the biz, as an old dead friend of mine once said "Son I don't care if they print my name on the front page of the newpaper as a Sonofabitch! any advertizin is good advertizen.."
The man died wealthy as one of the largest trailer manufacturers in Texas, and lord was he a card.
So the hogs are not a bad idea..yeah I can see it.

And schmaus, sure I would love to do that.
I have a good friend by the name of Dave Althier? " never could frigging spell his last name" in BC that has a outfitting biz.
Would love to meet you for a hunt someday on his deal, he owes me one anyway..
He once told me that he would have me a shooting contest anytime I wanted "it had gotten around to him that I could shoot a bit"

He said SIMPLE,,"you have to know Dave to understand" SIMPLE... WE SHOOT BEAR,, GRIZZ,, CHARGING US,, LAST ONE TO SHOOT WINS...

Yes I told him to piss off as well.