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I've had a Smith & Wesson Model 48-4 revolver for many years. I haven't shot it in about 25 years. On the barrel it is marked 22 M.R.F. CTG. I think I used to shoot 22 WMR ammo in that pistol, but maybe not. I am going to start shooting that pistol again. Is something like the CCI V-MAX 22 WMR safe in that pistol? | ||
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They are the same round, so have at it. George | |||
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That was my original thought also. Then I started finding all kinds of designations; 22 MRF, 22 WMR, and 22WRF after my son fired the 22 WMR V-Max. He said the fired shells could not be ejected from the cylinder without being tapped with a hammer, and two of the new V-Max failed to fire. I thought maybe the pistol just hadn't been fired in so long that it just needed a good cleaning / oiling. I'm not so sure now. I'm holding the gun until I know for sure what's going on here. After starting this thread, I submitted a question to Smith & Wesson to see what they say. I'll post again when I get a response. I hope to get a positive response because about thirty years ago I sent the Model 48 and my Model 57 back to S&W for engraving and my son's name placed on the M48, and mine placed on the M57. They are a great looking set of revolvers. It would be a shame to find he can't shoot modern ammo in his gun. | |||
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I'm pretty sure they are both seriously defective. I can pay better than scrap metal prices for them and save you from possible injury....... xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I'm thinking about it.............I'm going to have to say......No, but it was a very attractive offer. (I have a funny feeling you never get beat on a deal.) | |||
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Seriously, the only logical thing I can think of about the "sticking" is that possibly what you used to store/clean the guns has dried/gummed up the cylinder holes, or possibly just plain corrosion. It is possible that the ejector rod was stuck, not the cases. Basically my same thoughts about the failure to fire, letting various cleaning substances dry inside a pistol can absolutely freeze it up. Considering it's engraved, I'd try to avoid taking sideplates off unless you're really careful and use a perfectly fitting screwdriver. I'd first remove the grips, take it outside, while wearing heavy rubber gloves and spay the hell out of it with brake cleaner thru every hole you can find. You could even boil them in water, then spray them, and then oil them with light oil/Rem oil, etc. I'd try brake cleaner and judiciously spraying some oil in it first. Alternatively, take grips off and soak it in diesel for a few days, then spray with brake cleaner, etc. After you get it working, you can use it to fend off your WOUNDED hogs. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Thanks for the ideas. Would have never thought of brake cleaner. I'm thinking Amanda got off unscathed. It was kind of like the Matrix movie most likely. She saw the shot coming. Smoked two hams and two shoulders Thursday morning and shared with four families. | |||
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The .22WRF is a different round entirely. as Gatogordo said, the lubricant used might have gummed up after all those years. Field strip it, soak the parts in Kroil (or similar), reassemble, and lubricate. George | |||
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Well I got my response from Smith & Wesson. She said I can shoot 22 MRF ammunition in the MRF marked pistol. I responded that THAT wasn't my question. Can I shoot WMR ammo safely in a pistol marked MRF? Waiting again. | |||
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Geesh!!! xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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As he says. .22WRF is the internal lubricated cartridge for the Winchester Model 1903 Self Loading Rifle. It resembles the .22 WMRF as the .38 S & W Long resembles the .32 Harrington & Richardson Magnum or the .38 S & W Special the .357 Maximum. The .22 WNRF being simply a more powerful and LONGER CASED version of the shoter round. | |||
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Got my second response from Smith & Wesson. "Dear Customer, It will not be safe to use. Regards, Rachel" | |||
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DOUBLE GEESH!!! One for the owner and one for the responder. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Just in case you're not being deliberately obtuse, here is a brief history from the Am. Rifleman of the Smith 48 from it's initial introduction when it was made specifically for the Winchester .22 Mag. Rim fire, which was introduced by Winchester several months before the 48. To this day, Smith marks all of it .22 Mag revolvers with ".22 M. R. F. Ctg." and AFAIK has never marked one with W M R.
xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Interesting. I'm shooting at the Frisco Gun Club tomorrow, and on my way home I'm going by Cabela's and Gunmaster. If I go to the Smith & Wesson website and punch-in "Revolver" and "22 Magnum", I get four options, one of which is a Model 48, 22 Long Rifle, and doesn't belong there. The other three are the Model 48 marked like mine, and as Gato mentions; and two Model 351s with the same 22 MRF marking. Going to be interesting to see what the response is when I ask them what ammo those revolvers shoot. I have a feeling they are going to disagree with "Rachel". | |||
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They are not the same. Winchester makes a batch of 22 WRF once in a blue moon. The 22 WRF bullet is .226" vs .224" for the 22 WMR. This is a box from the 1986 run. Note it says Limited Edition: Cartridges, left to right -- .22 LR, .22 WRF, .22 WMR (.22 Magnum) . | |||
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I stopped by Gunmaster Inc. this morning on the way to Frisco Gun Club. They said the lady from Smith & Wesson was wrong. The WSM is the round to fire in the S&W Model 48 stamped 22 M.R.F. CTG. I also cleaned the revolver twice yesterday. Today I fired two cylinders of 22 WMR while practicing with my 9mm. The fired cases ejected easily. I did have one misfire. I fired it again and it ignited. I figure a few more cleanings and my problems should go away entirely. | |||
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Geesh!!! No wonder the Smith lady is confused, a WSM (Winchester Short Magnum) surely won't work in a 48. I'm getting worried about you. I'm surprised you can use toilet paper. There are no directions on the package. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I got an email apology from a fellow named Steve with Smith & Wesson this afternoon regarding all the misinformation coming from them. I'm not sure if Rachel is still with them. I think the "WSM" came from my 300. Been mixing all kinds of letters the last few days. If anyone hasn't been to Gunmaster Inc. in Plano, you might give them a go. (I suspect they will be my go-to place for reloading supplies.) Their people seem to know firearms. (I've been amazed at the inexperienced people working at Cabela's lately. Their last job must have been JCPenney). | |||
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