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Todd and Sub: I am conducting a little experiment. In his book African Dangerous Game Cartridges, Pierre van der Walt says that "in tests conducted by and eminent local handloader, magnum primers delivered tighter groups than standard ones on most occasions." In fact, my Hornady Manual recommends WLRM primers for the 9.3X74R. It's not because of the amount of powder but the length of the powder column. I tried the WLRM primers with my standard load of 57 grains of Reloader 15 but they were running too fast. They were shooting low and crossing. I have now dropped down to Hornady's suggested load of 55.7 grains of Reloader 15. I an using Hornday, Woodleigh PPs, and CEB #13 solids. I'll let you know how they shoot. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Dave, Are you using any filler with this load? I haven't tried RL 15 yet. My IMR 4831 has been working good. NRA Life ASSRA Life DRSS Today's Quote: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime. | |||
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Sounds good Dave. Just FYI, all the loads I ran in the 9.3 were with Fed 210's. | |||
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I have not tried any filler yet, and all the primers Ihave been using are WLR. This is still a work in progress. mangwana | |||
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No fillers. I'll let you know how they shoot as soon as we get some decent weather. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Okay, I made it out to the range this morning. I had loaded up 20 rounds with 55.7 grains of Reloder 15 in Hornady cases with Winchester large rifle magnum primers. Ten rounds were 286 grain Hornady SP-RP. Five rounds were 286 grain Woodleigh PPs and five rounds were 280 grain CEB #13 solids. From the bench, at 25 meters, the Hornady bullet shot great! On my third and forth shots, I had two rounds that were almost touching one another, the left barrel shooting slightly under and left of the right barrel. These loads may cross slightly at fifty meters but who cares. The 286 grain Woodleigh PPs did not shoot as well. The CEB #13s shoot well but they are very blunt and if you put them in, close the gun and take them out again, you can see marks from the barrel although I didn't see any signs of high pressure. With the magnum primers, there appears to be no need for a filler with this Reloder 15 load and I do think the magnum primers shoot better. Now, I would have chronographed this load but just after I sat down to shoot some asshole sat down at the bench to my left with some AR type of black rifle with a flash suppressor and started slinging brass in my direction. Less than one percent of guys serve in the armed forces but it seems everyone wants an AK47. To top it all off, this guy was shooting this little .223 auto in a lead sled. A LEAD SLED!!! If you have one, no offense, but I hate those fucking guns. They are nothing but a pain in the ass at the range. After about twenty minutes of this, I was ready to beat him to death with his own rifle. After about sixteen rounds with my little Chapuis, I headed home. If the weather holds, will try to run some across the chrono later this week. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Some interesting data there Dave. I didn't try the Magnum primers prior to going the filler route. Hate to go back and mess with it at this point if you know what I mean. Regarding the "TACTI-COOL" crowd, I feel your pain.  | |||
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Dave- I don't know what it is, but I seem to attract these same guys every time I go to the range to shoot a double rifle. Your assessment of their value to humanity mirrors my own. To boot, they usually have the temerity to ask me why I am shooting a shotgun at the rifle range. When I tell them (as politely as I can) that I am in fact shooting a rifle, they always ask "what are you going to shoot with that, elephants?". I must admit I have a very non Christian moment when I smile and reply "yes" and say nothing else. Very good report - thanks. I look forward to your follow on report of load development. Mangwana | |||
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I have to admit that working up a load for and shooting this little Chapuis is the most fun I ever had with my clothes on  Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Beautiful rifle! Really beautiful wood! Try 68 grains of H4831SC with a Privi 286 grain bullet. Norma brass. I have used CCI Mag Primers as I was having trouble finding Federal. I used the same load with Woodleigh PP Soft Points and Federal Primers to take two buffalo in 2009. I have used this same load blasting the steel animal targets at the NRA Whittington Center at 300 yards with my rifle. Don't think that those cheap Privi bullets are only for practice. I have used them on hogs and deer and they are deadly. I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf.... DRSS | |||
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Looks like today is our last bit of good weather for awhile so I will try and run out to the range and shoot some across the chrono and post the results. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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We had absolutely glorious weather here today. That was good and bad. I was able to make it out to the range but so was everyone else. That same guy was there with the Rogue River AR type rifle along with some other guy with an SKS with a drum magazine. I went as far to the other end of the range as possible and set up my chrony. Four rounds across the chrony, right, left, right, left. The load was a Hornady case, Winchester large rifle magnum primer, 55.7 grains of Reloder 15 and a 286 grain Hornady SP-Rp. The bullets were not crimped in place. I got 2225, 2244, 2244, 2283. The average was 2249 fps with an extreme spread over both barrels of 58 fps. If you throw out the high shot of 2283, the average was 2237 with and extreme spread of only 19 fps. This will be my load. The only thing I still want to try is a gentle roll crimp to see if I can shrink the extreme spread a bit. When the guy with the SKS ran off about 15 rounds, I went home  Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I concur with all the good that has been said of Chapuis doubles, particularly the 9.3x74R. I also agree wholeheartedly with all the good said about dealing with Ken Buch - a man that I hold in highest regard. I got my UGEX in 9.3x74R for a great price and had a lot of fun with it before passing it along to a friend and AR member who has been equally pleased with it. Since Ken is now focusing on non-Chapuis business, I went with Dale Nygaard who has just received the soon-to-be-mine Chapuis UGEX in 30R. Here are some photos courtesy of Dale.It is regulated with and without the scope at 100 meters using RWS 180 grain ammo. Hoping to have as easy a time regulating it with home-cooked stuff.      NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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That's a nice looking rifle. | |||
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Thanks Todd. Interesting caliber - and I like those "interesting" calibers like the 30R (and 375Fl and 600NE). Looking forward to taking it for whitetails next November/December ... unless I get the chance to make it to VA before the season ends to hunt with a great DR guy who happens to live there. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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CCMDOC, Dale is a great guy to deal with. Ordered my UGEX 9.3 though him and currently am waiting for my UGEX 30R Blaser to be built within 6 weeks or so. Not only did Dale have the best prices but also the best terms to order and lock in the prices with the ever changing Euro. I went with the splinter forearm on my 30R Blaser and the case "coin" color finish. Chapuis also agreed to "switch" the triggers around so the left is in front as I am a lefty. This is something that Dale earns extra thanks for as Chapuis is not known for doing this rarely, if at all, on any of their rifles. That is some gorgeous wood on your rifle. Please keep us posted as to your loading/shooting experiences as very few people in the states or on this forum have a 30R in any rifle. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Thanks Snowwolfe - when I have it and work up some functional loads I will share what I have found. Dale is a great guy with whom to work! Looking forward to seeing photos of your 30R when it arrives. Stay well NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Todd, you are absolutely correct, sir! The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy, THE MEN'S DEPARTMENT! LOL | |||
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CCM - stunning rifle! Have you found a source of ammo and / or load data for it? Mangwana | |||
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Thank you. No factory ammo - and only load data I have so far is from QuickLoad but will start looking around for some. QL does a good job for bottleneck cases like the 30R. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Proud to say that even though just a Squid, I was Marine Corp Trained. AOCS back when they had real DI's. Gunnery Seargent Hawks, USMC was our mentor! OOOOUUURRRAAAHHHH! Learned the mighty F/A-18 Hornet Strike Fighter at the USMC Air Replacement Squadron StrikFitRon 101 Sierra Hotel of MCAS El Toro. Only difference was on the Navy side, they taught us to Fight AND Think! | |||
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Thank you for your service to my country, sir. Which head did you think with? I have more fun with Navy Seals and Army Rangers, Delta Force and so on. I just tell them, If they had gone to boot camp 3 more weeks, they could have been a Marine. LOL. We all do our part and we,(I) am proud to have served my country. | |||
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Thank you for your service Sir! As to the thinking part, No Comment! | |||
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You are welcome, sir and I really am proud to have served my country. | |||
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Please tell me how to contact Mr Nygaard. thanks. | |||
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Here is Dale's email: dln@lakedalelink.net NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Thanks; I will contact him about a Chapuis just like the one you posted the pics of. | |||
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CCMDoc, I notice that yours has game scene engraving while the other UGEXs I see fr sale have scroll engraving. Did you ask for this different or are they all different? _________________________ "We all come into this world screaming, bloody and naked. If life is lived properly this does not stop at birth." | |||
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While I haven't received the gun from Dale yet (gotta finish paying him for it first) it was actually made for Dale himself but he decided to sell it before even taking possession of it. The photos were those he sent to me when it landed here in the USA. As far as the game scenes, my first UGEX - a 9.3x74R I bought from Ken Buch when I bought my first Verney-Carron 600NE - also had game scenes on it. Stay well and thanks NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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First Chapuis I ordered from Dale he gave me (I think) 4 different engraving scenes to pick from. Am pretty sure the engraving is lazer cut, it isnt anything special. You can also choose a sort of case coloring finish on the action as well as either a beavertail or splinter forearm, cheek piece or not and maybe a couple other options I forgot about. Best to contact Dale directly for the latest information but based on the shorter delivery/build dates suspect they are selling less UGEX's than they used to and in turn Chapuis is more likely to offer some no cost changes to keep production up. Just my two cents worth. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Indeed it is nice lazer cut. Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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You want French Seduction, well I'll GIVE YOU French Seduction!! CCH AND HAND ENGRAVING...   USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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A real beauty Jorge NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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+1 Very Sweet! | |||
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I'm very happy with it gents and after just returning from DSC and "feeling up" just about every double there, I'm extra happy ! USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Update on my Recknagel mounts. The lower mount assembly Ken Buch sent me is now installed and works perfectly. NEGC was a bit disappointing - they never responded to my E-Mail requesting assistance. I posted a thread for help in getting Recknagel parts in the Optics section of the AR site, and Klaus (scubapro)at Titanium Gun Works in Germany responded and odered a part for me from Recknagel. What a great guy! He does not know me from Adam, yet was willing to help a fellow hunter in need. Many thanks to Klaus!!! | |||
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I originally started this thread to get recommendations for loads in my Chapuis 9.3x74R double. The response has been tremendous (thanks to all), and I have had a blast trying all of the different loads recommended. The most recent loads were those using CEB bullets with load data recommended by Todd Williams. These loads, both solids and non-cons, shot into about an inch at 50 yards - not quite as good as Todd got, but very good nonetheless. At 100 yards with the scope mounted, the groups spread out a bit as expected. I did notice however that both the solid and no-con CEB bullets shot more consistently from the right barrel while my Barnes TSX loads shot more consistently from the left barrel. So, I tried a composite group to see how they would print. The results are shown below. I would hunt with this combination anywhere, any time. Since the CEB solids shoot almost the identical point of impact as the non-cons, I also have a good TSX/solid combo for hunting the bigger stuff if I so choose.  | |||
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