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I guess we all agree that the cross-bolt was a W.W. Greener design... ...so...who was the first to use side-clips??? ...and...do side-clips strengthen the action??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | ||
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Someone please correct me here, because I am sure I am mistaken, but I was under the belief that "side clips" on shotgun/drillings/DR's began with JP Sauer. I know that Merkel has been well known for them for some time. I am convinced they do strengthen a guns' action, but not as much as does say double locking lugs or a Greener cross bolt. Mike JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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I believe that is correct, and Merkel, Simpson, and Sauer all used the same A&D actions and all used Side clips, and so-called Greener cross bolts all made in SAUL, East Germany till the blockade deviding Germany after WWII was lifted. By this time they started making the A&D actions themselves, because they were unavailable from England! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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When did side clips first appear? I have seen them on some pretty early English guns. | |||
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I have seen them on old W.W. Greener doubles I know. Was curious if Greener was the first??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Lane, It may have been Greener. I have his book, but man it's incredibly boring and refuse to look through it to find out. It's properly displayed in my office on the bookshelf. If Greener did in fact invent the cross-bolt and side clips, he must have been sober when he did so, because I am convinced he was drunk when he came up with the Greener side-safety. I have owned at least 6 drillings with those awful things. If only the old Sauers and Merkels had a decent safety. Mike JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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