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Bill; Mac; et al; It is well known that there are rifle cartridges that just seem to work better at taking game than what one would expect from the energy and velocity of the cartridge, case in point 7x57mm. I do not know if the .375 H&H Flanged Magnum is one of those cartridges, but it could be. | |||
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Yes I don't have near the experience as many on here hunting buffalo. I have only killed 3. Yes the one shot kill was a frontal shot with a 350gn woodleigh PP. Aimed just under the chin maybe 6" and dropped it right there. Shot one buff with a 470 with both barrels at I would guess about 12 yards and it died. Shot one buff with my 470 again. Furthest shot was about 3 yards and closest was 18". Took 8 shots from my 470 and 3 from the PH's 458 Lott. Was in terribly long grass. (March hunt in Chewore South) If I had a split second longer on the first shot before he dropped his head and came at me he would have been dead with brain shot. Instead my first shot went in the side of the neck and into the shoulder. We followed up the buff and in about a 100 yards he was laid up waiting for us. He went after my PH and I was able to get a couple more shots in him to slow him down enough. We have that last buff on video and its quite exciting. Send me your address if you want a copy. Mac | |||
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Bill even the ones that took more than one shot may have been killed with the first shot, but I always back up my first shot with the other barrel and even with a bolt rifle. The ones that I KNOW were killed with only one shot were buffalo that got into cover before I could get off a back-up, and were found dead after a short run. All the others may well been killed with that first shot as well, but I can't say for sure! Bill when are you going back to Africa? I wish I could go again but I'm 80 yrs old and retired on a fixed income, and Africa has been priced out of my reach when a short Cape buffalo safari is costing near 20K today plus airfare, and shipping of trophies that have gone through the roof. So I'm left with lower 48, Canada, and Alaska today. ...................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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I have a 375 H&H and a 450-400. If I was going to purchase one double for everything it would be the 450-400.Put a removable scope on it and it will take anything in Africa. | |||
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Mckay, thanks for your response,after reading about your experience,should I say that it is all about bullet placement? I think you maybe hit the spine with the 375? & of course not with the 470? I am sending you a PM,I shot my first successful buff hunt with a 470,it was frontal,it was a good heart shot,my second shot was behind the left shoulder as it ran past me,it went 20 yrds before collapsing & I finished it, I took exactly the same shot with my 500/416,about same distance maybe 20 yrds,first shot bucked the cow down & my second shot above the head spined her & she fell where she stood. DRSS | |||
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Mac, thanks for your explanation,I am trying to go back to Africa this year late,it all depends if the money gods smile on me  Alaska is on my bucket list as well,& you are not missing out buddy,you still got a lot of hunting left in you,no matter the location.DRSS | |||
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Some say the .450/400 is where we all end after been shooting bigger and heavier doubles. However I suggest a .450Nitro shooting nitro-for-black with 350grainers 2000-2100ft/sec(deerloads), and then have fullpowered loads for bigger game. The allround double in my book should also have weight considered also. 9Ibs + scope is ok for stalking roedeer in a danish forrest in the early mornings of May, hunting kudu all day I hot kalahari without being too tired. I could live with the gun being a little on the light side for-the-caliber. 8ibs for a .375Flanged, 8½ibs for a 450/400 or 9½ for the .450Nitro. The 450/400 can be loaded with 300grainers to minimize the recoil in a light rifle. DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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Other than bragging rights about the only real advantage doubles hold over bolt rifles is their ability for a quick second shot. And is why they are popular for dangerous game and for that purpose I would choose the 450/400 over lessor calibers. The late Don Heath, Ganyana, held the conviction that the 450/400 gave better penetration than the majority of the big bore doubles, with less recoil. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Yes I obviously did not hit the CNS on the first shot. After the whole ordeal was done my second shot that I took at 18" or so clipped of the lungs. So eventually he would have died. I've heard it many times with Buff if you don't get that first shot right you are in for a ride and I certainly experienced that. He was a pissed off worn down buff that was not taking any shit. Mac | |||
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Working on a 235ER Raptor load for that gun currently- If you are coming to the DSC shoot in May- you might get to try it at the longer range | |||
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I would prefer the 450-400-3" for no other reason than it served me so well for more than 40 years.. I also liked the 450-3.5" and see no fault in the 375 Flanged...I would chose those caliber by the best rifle and how it fit me, anyone of the calibers are suitable on buffalo or elephant. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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