Army-Navy

06 March 2014, 01:30

Markschu

Army-Navy

I'd like you experts to please give me your opinion of this rifle. Thanks

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06 March 2014, 01:42

srose

Nice looking gun. These old guns if not monkeyed with are great. I have a similar 450-400 and its made like they should be. The price seems high to me for an Army Navy unless its all original and in perfect shape.

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06 March 2014, 01:44

PSmith

It is a nice rifle.

By the way, the University of Glasgow has the Army & Navy records and will do a serial number search for free and send a pdf of the records page.

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06 March 2014, 01:53

Frostbit

I have the sister to that gun in 450 3 1/4. Same Webley A&W C action, considered by many the best boxlock action from the time. Mine does not have ejectors.

I paid less than that and I believe this rifle has either been listed for awhile now or listed before.

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06 March 2014, 02:54

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Beautiful rifle but way over priced.
Jim: How can you show your rifle in public and still hold your head up? That's why I keep mien locked in a safe so they are hidden from view.
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06 March 2014, 03:45

N E 450 No2

Besides the extra amount of engraving on that Army & Navy double, the teardrops on the gunstock, and the raised bolster area on the rear of the handguard, indicate that this is a deluxe version of an Army & Navy.

Wm Evans Deluxe doubles had the same features.

That is one nice double rifle.

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06 March 2014, 04:14

Frostbit

quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:

Jim: How can you show your rifle in public and still hold your head up?

Cal

I kept my head down while typing. I've also learned if I tell everyone it's Joyce's they feel sorry for her and don't say anything.

06 March 2014, 04:28

Snowwolfe

I seen Frostbit's rifle in person and the engraving on it would put pretty much any modern engraved firearm to shame. It is a true work of art.

My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.

06 March 2014, 05:25

N E 450 No2

For actual shooting/hunting use, I would take a Webley built double rifle [ie. a Army & Navy, Evans, Gibbs, London Sporting Park, etc.] or a Jefferies/Leonard built double, over a H&H, or a Westley Richards any day.

IMHO of course.

Frostbit, your rifle is most excellent as well.

Especially since it is a 450 3 1/4".

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06 March 2014, 05:39

Dutch44

I have a fondness for the Army-Navy rifles of that period. However, I too believe it is overpriced. The bores are only good to very good. I didn't know rifling could stand tall as it is only so many thousandths deep. This rifle is more in line with Champlin's Manton 470 that George has at around $25k but with excellent bores. And truth be known George would probably part with his for $24k.

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06 March 2014, 09:01

JPK

That is a lovely rifle.

Somehow Roger Bain rings a bell strongly. I may know him through a very good friend. Would you like me to see if the Roger Bain, Inc. selling the rifle is related to the Roger Bain friend of a really good friend?

Frostbit, Joyce's rifle is also lovely!

JPK

07 March 2014, 04:00

BrettAKSCI

quote:
Originally posted by Rusty:
it's over priced!

+1

Very nice rifle though. You can always offer lower. I'm sure you've heard "no" before.

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07 March 2014, 04:03

BrettAKSCI

Jim is correct that it has been listed for a while. It's likely worth at least 3-4k less than the advertised price, but that's my 2 cents.

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