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 25 yds off sticks with my Merkel with a Trijicon red-dot ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | ||
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Best wishes for your hunt. You should certainly feel confident in your rifle/shooting ability! | |||
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Looks like you are on the money! Now go have a ball! Mac | |||
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Those elephants live dangerously...  | |||
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Good shooting! I've just loaded some CEB 510 solids as well for my ele hunt in a couple of weeks . What velocity are you getting out of your load? Cheers Nick | |||
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Nice composite group at hunting distances, well done and best of luck on your hunt. Certainly not Elephant, but on Buff I have seen that particular bullet travel the length of a buff's body. In my own .500 I used the 475gn Raptors and managed to get good groups, regulation, at roughly 2450fps. They were devastating on buffalo. Apologies for the off-topic ramble. Best of luck again on your hunt. | |||
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Hi Nick, When I decided to try the 510s (was shooting 570 CEBs) Michael McCourrey told me, based on his pressure testing, to start at 106gr of R-15 and go up. 106 gave me horizontal but crossing groups about 2" apart. I backed up to 104 for this consistent grouping at about barrel width groups. I emailed him and said the regulation sent me backwards and asked should I check velocity or could I assume adequate based on his testing. At 104 he told me to check velocity as his data suggested 106 as a starting load with pressure at ~30K and velocity around 2000fps. The way the recoil feels...I am betting >2000 but will check this weekend over a chrony, wind permitting, and let you know. 96g of R-15 with 570 CEB solid gives me ~2150 fps in that rifle. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Please, can we see the rifle? | |||
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Yes sir. I don't have any pics of it since JJ put on my Trijicon rmr...but will take some and post. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Thanks That would be great. I'll put my loads 106 grR15 through the chrony on Monday so shall compare notes, I'm shooting out of my 26" VC Cheers Nick | |||
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I would also like to see how the Red Dot is attached. I have to work a load for my 500 nitro also. | |||
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Thank you, kindly. | |||
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Nice shooting! Who are you hunting with and when? I'll echo the desire to see the RMR mount. | |||
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You rifle is ready and I am sure you are as well. Good luck and hope you post a full report when you return. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | |||
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Go git 'em, Lane! | |||
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Probably not going to get any over the chrony this weekend but at the latest...Thursday. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I am hunting with my buddy Nigel Theisen as PH in Beitbridge West and Nottingham Estate outfitted by Nengasha Safari's owned by another friend...Paul Bennie. Double ele...1 trophy bull and 1 tuskless cow. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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................................................................. Good luck Doc!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I'm curious as to the reason from going from 570 down to 510...I'm not familiar with these bullets. Being a mono, penetration isn't an issue I assume? | |||
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Thank you. Do you have to use a chin weld to use the trigicon? Nice Merkel. I am almost as eager for the hunt report as you are to make the memory. | |||
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No sir...tight cheek weld still. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Hi Pete, It is just a matter of enough is enough and the 510s are nicer to shoot. Those CEB brass monometals in the BBW #13 design (60% meplate) penetrate so well that 570s almost always exit and penetrate way more than absolutely necessary. The 510s are easier on my body to shoot and have been shown to penetrate almost as much in both Michael McCourry's lab and in live ele. So for me...the reason was more shooter friendly and way adequate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I see...I hadn't considered that angle. Faster follow up shots and quick recovery is a big plus when hunting elephant I presume...  I rarely stray form my Barnes comfort zone....I was just looking at CEB website and I have to admit they had some interesting options for big bores. | |||
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Thank you. As I have grown up, I have come to not care for the chin weld. This is after shooting a rifle set up with high weaver see thru mounts as a even more kid. | |||
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So does he cut a groove in the rib for the sight? | |||
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Yes sir...he cuts a groove in the rib for the sight mount. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Good luck and have fun. You will not be able to blame the rifle, so shoot straight. ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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Guys, just got back from my range practice with my 500. Chronoghraphed the following; 105GRN r15 510 ceb solids average 2190 fps 106grn r15 510 ceb solids average 2260 fps 103grn IMR4350 570 woodleigh Hydro average 2060 fps 103grn imr4350 570 solid conventional Woodleigh 2000fps average. Note these were shot in 0 Centigrade TEMPS THIS MORNING HERE IN Oz , so expect more velocity in typical African climate. All pretty much shoot to the same POI, But both CEB loads were crossing. The R15 loads were with much milder to shoot. I will reload with 103 and 104 grn R15 and have another go with the 510'S. Cheers Nick | |||
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105 & 106 crossed with me. 104 gave barrel width groups. I will be happy with anything over 2000 fps. Hoping for 2050 to 2100. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I'm going to try the 103 and 104 grn loads and re shoot later this week. Will let you know what happens. I think I will be going with the woodleigh hydros though. I am comfortable with the recoil and it regulates great in my rifle. I've shot a few ele with them and they are awesome. I was hoping to get a higher velocity load with the 510's but unfortunately they will cross. Recoil was definitely softer so tha was positive. I think in my rifle I will get regulation of them at 2050-2100. When are you heading off ? I'm overnighting in Jburg. Cheers Nick | |||
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Hi Guys, at what distance did the bullets cross ? Morten The more I know, the less I wonder ! | |||
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At 25 yds...the bullets were 3" in opposite (albeit horizontal and with good groupings) direction for me with 106 & 510s...1" with 105. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I experienced something like this on 50 yards. The bullets hit approx 5 inches wide - factory Hornady 450 NE With 480 grain DGX bullet. Have to test more... Morten The more I know, the less I wonder ! | |||
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I don't go until August. My schedule keeps me hopping thus I prepare early. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I am off 16th of July... Hope to have 300 rounds with my VC 450 before I start the hunt.. Morten The more I know, the less I wonder ! | |||
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Good luck sir! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Same to you sir  Morten The more I know, the less I wonder ! | |||
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I am shooting the VC500 that I got from Sam Rose. I started out around 104gr of RL15 with the 475/510gr combination and witht he original lot of RL15, I went up to 109gr before it crossed. The next lot of RL15 was hotter and I ended up loading 107gr with velocities averaging about 2360fps.   I shot the buffalo in a herd with the 475gr Raptors and shot the hippo with a Raptor and then a 510 solid. | |||
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 I am a little surprised by these numbers but happy. .500 NE Merkel with 23.5" barrels Jamison brass, Fed 215 primers, 104 gr R-15, no filler, CEB 510gr solid Chrono 3 good paces from muzzle. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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