Mac,
Bill had asked why I had brought this issue up, and also asked about my identity.
I figured that he was owed an answer, which I have given.
Mac, I think you need to lighten up, this is not the Spanish Inquisition and you are not on trial.
If you find that you are tripping over your own words from your own posts, I fail to see why you should be trying to pass the blame onto someone else.
We'll leave it at that.

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Originally posted by 5seventy:
Mac,
Bill had asked why I had brought this issue up, and also asked about my identity.
I figured that he was owed an answer, which I have given.
Mac, I think you need to lighten up, this is not the Spanish Inquisition and you are not on trial.
If you find that you are tripping over your own words from your own posts, I fail to see why you should be trying to pass the blame onto someone else.
We'll leave it at that.

I accept the blame I just think it has gone far enough!

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Originally posted by BigB:
5seventy,

Before I sold the 470 to Mac I took it to Africa 3 times and took elephant and buffalo with the gun.

BigB

Mac,

Don't think this is you tripping over your own words but someone else locked on stirring up some crap and/or conveniently ignoring the post above.

Interesting a group from another board showed up en masse to create a non issue. Kind of like a bunch of juvenilles around Halloween bent on mischief of some sort. And for a new guy with no credibility here to decide to introduce himself by using word parsing as some sort of foil says a lot about the poster.Some people build themselves through accomplishment, others try to demonstrate theirs by tearing down what others have built to level the field. Most of us here know you to be in the former category, while Clarence Narrow there seems to be comfortably settled into the latter.

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Originally posted by Jim Manion:

Mac,

Don't think this is you tripping over your own words but someone else locked on stirring up some crap and/or conveniently ignoring the post above.

Interesting a group from another board showed up en masse to create a non issue. Kind of like a bunch of juvenilles around Halloween bent on mischief of some sort. And for a new guy with no credibility here to decide to introduce himself by using word parsing as some sort of foil says a lot about the poster.Some people build themselves through accomplishment, others try to demonstrate theirs by tearing down what others have built to level the field. Most of us here know you to be in the former category, while Clarence Narrow there seems to be comfortably settled into the latter.

Jim, I think he does get his kicks by nit picking posts, and needleing people. However in this case he is right, I misrepresented the things he accuses me of, and I admit that. I think he enjoys singling out one person to needle to death! I'm a big boy, and I can take my licks. This one has about become the obsurd however!

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Originally posted by Jim Manion:

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Originally posted by BigB:
5seventy,

Before I sold the 470 to Mac I took it to Africa 3 times and took elephant and buffalo with the gun.

BigB

Mac,

Don't think this is you tripping over your own words but someone else locked on stirring up some crap and/or conveniently ignoring the post above.

Interesting a group from another board showed up en masse to create a non issue. Kind of like a bunch of juvenilles around Halloween bent on mischief of some sort. And for a new guy with no credibility here to decide to introduce himself by using word parsing as some sort of foil says a lot about the poster.Some people build themselves through accomplishment, others try to demonstrate theirs by tearing down what others have built to level the field. Most of us here know you to be in the former category, while Clarence Narrow there seems to be comfortably settled into the latter.

Jim,
I have not "conveniently ignored" the post you mention. I didn't respond to it because it is dealing with a different rifle, ie the Merkel .470.
My posts are referring to the Merkel 9.3x74R, an entirely different gun.
Thank you for the kind words by the way.
I thought myself and Mac were calling it quits on this issue, but now JIM you seem to be the one who is trying to stir the pot?

You're welcome.

Just giving you an idea of what some peoples' perceptions may be. You have 29 posts, and probably over 20 of those houding Mac over something of really no consequence?

Based on what I have read, you really do have a lot to contribute here. Not sure what other boards are like, but we don't have a gang initiation protocol here where you have to take someone else out to build your street cred.

I do look forward to your participation here.

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Originally posted by Jim Manion:

......

Interesting a group from another board showed up en masse to create a non issue. Kind of like a bunch of juvenilles around Halloween bent on mischief of some sort. And for a new guy with no credibility here to decide to introduce himself by using word parsing as some sort of foil says a lot about the poster.Some people build themselves through accomplishment, others try to demonstrate theirs by tearing down what others have built to level the field. Most of us here know you to be in the former category, while Clarence Narrow there seems to be comfortably settled into the latter.

Jim

I hope you are not referring to me. I was a member here long before you ever heard of Accurate Reloading.

Mac-


Tell me about this one.




Is this a two-barrel set with one set being something in the 16-bore range of bore-rifle?

The set-trigger and this image of muzzles give me the sense you've got a neat old black powder cartridge bore-rifle there...





Cheers
Tinker

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Originally posted by 5seventy:
I thought myself and Mac were calling it quits on this issue, but now JIM you seem to be the one who is trying to stir the pot?

No matter who stirs the pot, I'm through with this, you guys may carry on if you wish!

.............Im done! Bye

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Originally posted by a.tinkerer:
Mac-


Tell me about this one.




Is this a two-barrel set with one set being something in the 16-bore range of bore-rifle?

The set-trigger and this image of muzzles give me the sense you've got a neat old black powder cartridge bore-rifle there...

First off where did you get this picture? PS: Oh I see that is one of the pictures my son used to set up a photobucket account, which I have no idea how to work.

To answer your question the firearm is a Cape gun, a V. Haffner,made in Cassel (old spelling), Germany with a short 20ga on the left barrel, and the very rare 58 Berdan carbine on the right barrel. The wood on that rifle is absolutely top drawer. It is a Jones under Lever, back action hammer action, but the forend iron and wood stays attached to the action when the Damascus barrels are removed. The tip of the forend wood has a Buffalo horn inlay in the nose, Behind the trigger guard, there is a buffalo horn carving that makes the straight stock into a simi-pistolgrip, and the butt stock has a 1 3/4"thick Buffalo horn butt plate. The cartridges are made from 577NE cases, and uses molded 476 gr lead bullet,mold Lyman No.585213 and 22.0 grs of IMR 4198 for about 925 fps = 1012 ME. It will slap a big boar flat but effective range is short.

The shot barrel uses the short 20ga, and loaded with black powder it is a real dove gun for pass shooting.

This rifle was totally covered with car paint when I bought it for $65. It had never been shot since the guy brought it home from WWII. It was standing in the corner of his garrage where he painted cars after he retired from the army, and the over spray completely covered the gun. It took me three months of very careful work to remove all the paint. Thank God because the origenal varnish was still intact on the barrels, and the wood fnish was undamaged.

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Cheers
Tinker

That is the muzzle end of the Haffner, and the checkering on this cape gun is 28 LPI and is not even worn. the gun was most likely used with the shot barrel if at all, because it doesn't show any wear at all, except handleing dings.

The cartridges are fairly available from collectors sourses, but rifles chambered for the 58 Berdan Carbine cartridge are as rare as hens teeth. The guns chambered for the Berdan cartridges are usually chambered for the far more common 58 U.S. Musket (Berdan).

In that same folder I think are some pictures of the H. Barella cape gun as well. It is a 16 ga on the left, and 8X57JR on the right.

I really need to learn how to work these pictures into the forums because I have several double rifles, and those two cape guns, as well as many big bore bolt rifles, and single shots. along with a few boxes of hunting pictures stored in my storage room.



............good shooting Tinkerer!

Mac-

Neat gun.
Ship it to me when you get tired of it.
I'll make sure it's keeping good company.



Cheers
Tinker

I would be interested to know what bullets at what velocity you had the best luck with in the 141. I have one, and am still struggling to find a good load for it

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Originally posted by eny:
I would be interested to know what bullets at what velocity you had the best luck with in the 141. I have one, and am still struggling to find a good load for it

eny if you are talking to me, I don't have a 141 Merkel, mine is a 140E-1 (the "E" stands for ejectors)

It weighes 8.3 pounds,compared to the 6.6 pounds for the 141, and the barrels are 24", 1" longer, and tthe barrels on the 140E are fixed, while the 141 is adjustable regulation.

The bullet I use is most times the 286 gr Nosler partition, @ 2350 fps. That load will get your attention in the 8.3 pound 140E, and I'm sure you won't have tha ask anyone if your 141 went off with that load. Luckily the factory Sellier & Bellot 286 gr ammo shoots perfect in my rifle. That ammo is cheap, and will absloutely slam a large wild boar on his butt. One shot kills on wild boar are common with that ammo!

Check with JudgeG, he has a 141, and has taken several head of game in Africa with it, and has loads he has worked up. He is the guy to ask about properly useing the adjustable regulation as well.

Good luck, and good hunting with your new Merkel!

I also don't like auto safties. I disable them if the rife or shotgun has them. If for no other reason it keeps everything the same, thus avoiding a potential accident.

Dave

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Originally posted by nopride2:
I also don't like auto safties. I disable them if the rife or shotgun has them. If for no other reason it keeps everything the same, thus avoiding a potential accident.

Dave

Totally agree.
The last thing I'd want is to have two different safeties on two DG doubles, one auto and one manual.
That is almost a certain recipe for disaster.
My Belgian .470 still had the auto safety when I bought it.
The first job I did on that gun was to convert it to manual safe.