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Just wondering and there are probably some good reasons why nobody builds just the barreled actions. There are all kinds of bolt type actions offered why not the double type? "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | ||
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They're available. A&S sells barreled actions. Last price I saw on them was 15K Euro, and that was a couple of years ago. | |||
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You've got a lot more hardware to deal with in a double rifle: the barrels, the action, the forend iron (for extractor or, more complicated, ejector). It's a much bigger job to put a double together than it is to assemble a bolt action. Can't see much economic sense in supplying barreled actions rather than going the whole value-added hog and making the complete rifle... Regards | |||
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we introduced a double rifle kit for medium bore double rifles to 9,3 that sells for $1,200.00 the american "gunmakers" are unable to build a gun unless it is a bolt action. it's true we showed these at the 2003 custom gunmakers guild in reno and sold 8 kits. only one to a "gunmaker " and that was the owner of the little sharps rifle company. they build guns from scratch. it is just too complicated for the pipe wrench turners who screw barrels into old bolt actions and complain they can't make any money at it . and really get their nose out of joint if you want them to use your wood ! it is a shame america does not have a fully accredited gunsmith school like ferlach. where a guy could learn how to really build a gun from scratch. it's probably because we are spoiled buying cheap guns made on production lines. very few would spend the money for a decent made gun ...... look at all the starry eyed dreamers awaiting the cheap russian spartan double rifle for $400 that they want to rechamber and blow themselves up with ! TOMO577 DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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WoW! I'm not that cheap. Just looking for options. Seems like it's Searcy(a very nice rifle and well done) or european. Looked at Lippard but that looks to be in the distant future. "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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"But I'm not bitter about it...." "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Tom, Are those kits still available? | |||
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Butch Searcy did this back in the '90's. I talked to him about it one time around '99 or so, to see if he would sell me one. Don't remember the exact words he used, but vividly remember their jist-not "no," but "HELL NO!!!" He said it was a disaster and an incredible headache. The deal was a "gunmaker" could get the metal ready to be regulated. Then you sent it to Butch and he regulated it, then he shipped it back to you for finishing. What he basically said was anyone who had ever acraglassed a M700 in a factory stock thought they could build a double rifle-and almost everyone crashed and burned. Getting a double put together is a little more complicated than most folks can handle. Hearing all of the chatter about the cheap Spartans, I imagine we are in for a wave of folks missing fingers on their leading hand. People who cannot afford a double think that the makers are fleecing and everyone, and there is no reason why it can't be done for the cost of a couple of M70's. It just doesn't work that way. Have you ever heald one of those things? I have seen the shotguns and man, they are only described by words I wouldn't type here. I do know several folks whom I would trust to build a very nice, accurate, and totally reliable double rifle. They are definitely in the minority, but I can think of several gunmakers here in the US who could do it. Make no mistake about it, we have makers here who can stand with the best of them. The problem for the average Joe is that when they pay the gunmaker to build it, well what do you know, it costs the same as various factory DR's. BTW-I think that selling 8 kits at the Show in one year was a smashing success. Just about everyone here on this board knows how small the true double rifle buying population is, especially when it is not what most double rifle owners want anyway (will not handle a big bore cartidge). I am serious-I think it is great to be able to sell 8 of them over a 3 day weekend. I am also interested if any are still available. | |||
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I agree with Butch, the idea wouldn't save a guy much money, because the real skill that is required to build a barreled action is where the major cost is. The fitting of the wood, and the finish of the steel is all most gunsmiths could do, and the regulation, and filing of the sights would still have to be done before the blacking takes place,and you would still have to buy the blank! So all you be saveing is the labor for fitting the wood. IMO, most would end up with a half assed rifle in the end!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Double rifle barreled actions have always been offered and still are. However, a DR barreled action is a whole lot farther from a finished rifle that any bolt rifle barreled action is, and very few smiths have the skills necessary to complete the work. Because of that, DR barreled actions go to other gunmakers rather than gun"smiths" and hobbyists, and even that doesn't happen anything like as often as you think. Because of the special skills involved, DRs bought in "from the trade" were usually complete and ready for sale, rather than being stocked and finished by the retailing gunmaker, and this was far more often true with double rifles than with double shotguns. While I agree that its likely that few of the ACGG guys have the needed skills to do it, I also think that most are sharp enough to realize that real double rifles aren't built from "kits". I'm not surprised that they didn't buy them. ---------------------------------------------- "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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Look elsewhere. ------------------------------------------------ "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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posts by ignorant "self ordained " hillbilly gunsmiths in porter texas are routinely ignored TOMO577 DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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OK, I'll ask. Are they available? Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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It would be interesting to check out any kits if availlable. I am not a gunsmith nor by any means a gunmaker but I do have the knowledgeable support of some people who are, and have made some for there own pleasure from shotgun actions as Jeffeosso is doing. I'm not taking any sides what-so-ever in this matter of opinions of ones capabilities. I don't know the man in Porter but I give him alot of credit for machining the barrel block and building the barrel set from scratch rather than just sleeving some shotgun tubes and calling it a double. R. | |||
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I know that Krieghoff sells barrelled actions to their dealer in South Africa. That would be Magnum Firearms. They are stock makers and gunsmiths and will make up the stock to your specs. I doubt this is very cost effective from a purchase standpoint for the consumer, but must work well for Magnum as I suspect all his Krieghoff doubles arrive in ZA as only a barrelled action. If anyone is interested we will make an inquiry of Krieghoff. | |||
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Krieghoff does the same thing for us in the states. You don't save much. We do need a Ferlach school, but we don't have but a couple guys that can make guns from scratch that could teach there. Hmm, Hagn, Searcy, the NECG guy and I have a feeling that our own SDH could add soemthing. The level of craftsmanship involved in building a 1 off double rifle is overwealming to most. If I am still single in 6 years I have considered Ferlach. It's not going to be cheap but I think it's worth it. | |||
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"Why aren't double rifle barreled actions offered" Very labor intensive. I've been breaking down two actions {shotguns} this week to get the barrel block out of the barrel set to build mine on. It's alot of work and will be more to re-assemble. Tomorrow I will attempt to un-solder each piece to break one of them down, but not until very careful measurements have been documented. Both will be blackpowder chamberings, 50-90 Sharpes for one and maybe 45 something for the other. Will try to get some pics on here tonight. R. | |||
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I agree we need a gunmakers school. There are quite a few guys in the states that can and will build a nice double. Ken Owen David Yale (simi-retired), but could do it JJ Perodeau Ken Eversull dont know if he has but a very capable man. Butch Searcy Nick Mankinson- I saw one of his drop lock guns, and it was to die for. I also think there are quite a few guys out there with the talent to do it, they just need the right training. Then once they are trained will the american 500 dollar deer rifle crowd, keep them employed or underemployed? Ed DRSS Member | |||
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