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Originally posted by Zeljko:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
I don't know Zeljko, but before we throw him under the bus, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's very easy for someone who doesn't have extensive experience in the double rifle world to get caught up in the "sales speak" from whatever company. I thought he was just looking for info and not trying to promote Rigby.

I may be fooled, but I'm willing to accept that at face value.

Nevertheless, we all know the quality and ethics of Butch Searcy, and that is undisputable.

With all the craze for "English Doubles", and I know that craze personally, it's easy to get sucked into stuff that just isn't what it seems.

Dear sir,

allow me to correct several false statements you made.

Nobody was throwing me under the bus, or making any derogatory comments, so I don't know what are you referring to.
You seem to have reading comprehension problem, which is usually eliminated in second grade.

I didn't say anything bad about Mr. Searcy, as I hold him and his work in very high regard. He is an example of how gunmakers should conduct their business, and I am very impressed by his company and him personally. I hope to visit his factory someday and talk to him personally.

I didn't promote Rigby in any way, as I have no reason of to do so. On the contrary, reading between the lines, you could understand I did not like Mr. Porter very much, as he was very rude and insulting, snobbish, and unwilling to back up his claims by actual explanation of facts. Putting that aside, it is a very poor business practice to call competitors "a piece of shit", as it reflects on you as a poor mannered man. Courtesy is contagious.

I think that in a niche market of high cost products such as double rifles, being bought by enthusiasts who are knowledgeable, explanation "Internally it isn't the same" or "It isn't made properly", just doesn't cut it.

Well, after completing the first part of any post on this forum, which consists of correcting false claims other people say you made, or thought you may have meant, allow me to get to the point.

This was a technical question about action and material mechanical properties. I didn't make a claim, I asked I question for more knowledgeable people to explain. Mt. Searcy explained in detail, with a photo for us, who don't know all gun terms in English, and completely lived up to his reputation as an expert, and a man who stands behind his products and claims. I tip my hat. This is the reason why I would always go to such a man to get my rifle instead of a company that says "we are the best" but wont even publish where their guns are made, let alone who makes them. (P.s. Some parts of today's Hollands are made in Ferlach)

Once more: This was and objective and technical question. Not a question who is a better quality man, or who would you prefer to drink your beer with.

Best regards and a little present for you Mr. MDStewart:

http://havefunteaching.com/wor...ehension-worksheets/

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Originally posted by Zeljko:
Defending me from what?
A non existing misinterpretation that didn't and would not exist using condescending tone?
Gee, thanks.

Well,I obviously overstayed my welcome on this forum. Best of luck to you gentleman in your inbreeding and backing each others posts no matter what, against first posters or new guys.

If you didn't know, a man can be wrong in his 1000th post as well as right in his 1st.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Zeljko:
Defending me from what?
A non existing misinterpretation that didn't and would not exist using condescending tone?
Gee, thanks.

Well,I obviously overstayed my welcome on this forum. Best of luck to you gentleman in your inbreeding and backing each others posts no matter what, against first posters or new guys.

If you didn't know, a man can be wrong in his 1000th post as well as right in his 1st.

As Curly Bill would say:

Well ... Bye!!

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Originally posted by Zeljko:
Defending me from what?
A non existing misinterpretation that didn't and would not exist using condescending tone?
Gee, thanks.

Well,I obviously overstayed my welcome on this forum.
Best of luck to you gentleman in your inbreeding and backing each others posts no matter what, against first posters or new guys.

If you didn't know, a man can be wrong in his 1000th post as well as right in his 1st.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
What a dick!

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Originally posted by Zeljko:
Defending me from what?
A non existing misinterpretation that didn't and would not exist using condescending tone?
Gee, thanks.

Well,I obviously overstayed my welcome on this forum.
Best of luck to you gentleman in your inbreeding and backing each others posts no matter what, against first posters or new guys.

If you didn't know, a man can be wrong in his 1000th post as well as right in his 1st.

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Originally posted by Zeljko:
Gentelman on the IWA exibition gave me a card that says:
Kent R. Porter,
John Rigby & Co.,
200 Crescent Court, Dallas, TX.

He was very secretive about his workshop, and derogatory towards other Rigby firms and Searcy in particular.
He said the Rigby archive and records are in his office, and they are the only lawful Rigby, because Paso Robles is defunct, and the other, London based one, he called "Squatters".

They had a few bolt guns in the white, a few double guns, and a really beautiful Jones screw grip which he would let me touch only in the wooden stand. I wanted to see first hand how that action feels in the hands, but I will have to wait for a new opportunity, I guess.

The gentleman also said he is the one who posted the AutoCad drawings on NitroExpress forum, and that he regularly participates on that forum.

This is the thread:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com...r=220983&an=0&page=0

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Originally posted by Zeljko:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
I don't know Zeljko, but before we throw him under the bus, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's very easy for someone who doesn't have extensive experience in the double rifle world to get caught up in the "sales speak" from whatever company. I thought he was just looking for info and not trying to promote Rigby.

I may be fooled, but I'm willing to accept that at face value.

Dear sir,

allow me to correct several false statements you made.

Nobody was throwing me under the bus, or making any derogatory comments, so I don't know what are you referring to.
You seem to have reading comprehension problem, which is usually eliminated in second grade.

I didn't say anything bad about Mr. Searcy, as I hold him and his work in very high regard. He is an example of how gunmakers should conduct their business, and I am very impressed by his company and him personally. I hope to visit his factory someday and talk to him personally.

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Originally posted by Peter:
mdstewart, despite the downhill slide of this thread, it was gentlemanly of you to side with zel whatever his name is. It is a pity that he did not understand this. However, several others did!
Peter.

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"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

Hands of Old Elmer Keith

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
I heard from a very reliable source last week that the group that controls Blaser, Mauser, etc, now has obtained the rights to both Rigby USA and Rigby London. All Rigby operations will be moved back to London; but what does that really mean? Like Biebs said, the real Rigby is gone forever. Nothing wrong with folks like Butch or any other custom maker to build copies that emulate the glory of the Riby days and allure. With the exceptions of David McKay Brown, Holland & Holland for the most part, and perhaps a few other custom makers, the British gun trade is in name only, out-sourcing components and barrels not just to builders in Britain, but to companies all over to include Italy, Spain, Turkey, France, etc.

The glory days of British guns are over. So if you want one of the glory guns, get it now while you can and take care of it.

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
With the exceptions of David McKay Brown, Holland & Holland for the most part, and perhaps a few other custom makers, the British gun trade is in name only, out-sourcing components and barrels not just to builders in Britain, but to companies all over to include Italy, Spain, Turkey, France, etc.

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with a good brain and plenty of shooting experience

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Originally posted by jorge:

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with a good brain and plenty of shooting experience

Obviously, you fail to qualify on both accounts...