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Originally posted by MJines:
.450 NE = Any animal, any time
.400/.450 = Most animals, most of the time

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Originally posted by RDB:

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Originally posted by MJines:
.450 NE = Any animal, any time
.400/.450 = Most animals, most of the time

You don't really believe that do you?

458 Win mag or a 416 Rem mag?

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Originally posted by mauser93:
I could have said "custom made" had I been referring to, say, a Searcy. Or even a Westley-Richards. But, when one mentions H&H, or Purdey, or David McKay Brown, one must say '"espoke,"

Geez, don't you guys know anything? "Custom made." The horror, the horror.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Doc,

that confession covers a multitude of sins...

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:
I am so friggin tired of reading this word and not quite knowing what it meant ...

Countless years of school and this place is the first I had ever read or heard the word bespoke.

You couldn't just say "custom made"?

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Originally posted by MacD37:


I have to agree with you Paul, it is a stupid word but it means indicates BEST, adj, superlative of GOOD, excelling all others but like you it is a word I can do without! Every time I read that word it brings to mind someone with their nose so high they'd drown if it rained.

Suffice to say BEST GRADE would do very well for me! Of course I'm just an old ranch kid that speaks plain old TEXAS Y'all!

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Originally posted by 5seventy:

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Originally posted by MacD37:


I have to agree with you Paul, it is a stupid word but it means indicates BEST, adj, superlative of GOOD, excelling all others but like you it is a word I can do without! Every time I read that word it brings to mind someone with their nose so high they'd drown if it rained.

Suffice to say BEST GRADE would do very well for me! Of course I'm just an old ranch kid that speaks plain old TEXAS Y'all!

You have the wrong meaning for the word "Bespoke".
It means custom, or tailor made, to the customers specs.
A Bespoke gun is one made especially for the buyer, and built or finished the way he has requested it to be done.

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by 5seventy:

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Originally posted by MacD37:


I have to agree with you Paul, it is a stupid word but it means indicates BEST, adj, superlative of GOOD, excelling all others but like you it is a word I can do without! Every time I read that word it brings to mind someone with their nose so high they'd drown if it rained.

Suffice to say BEST GRADE would do very well for me! Of course I'm just an old ranch kid that speaks plain old TEXAS Y'all!

You have the wrong meaning for the word "Bespoke".
It means custom, or tailor made, to the customers specs.
A Bespoke gun is one made especially for the buyer, and built or finished the way he has requested it to be done.

You are no doubt correct, I'm sure! You might correct Webster's dictionary as well, because what I posted was from them! I just assumed their definition would be more accurate than mine, I guess not!
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Originally posted by 5seventy:

You have the wrong meaning for the word "Bespoke".
It means custom, or tailor made, to the customers specs.
A Bespoke gun is one made especially for the buyer, and built or finished the way he has requested it to be done.


If you are going to quote from a dictionary, you need to look up the correct word, which in this case is "Bespoke".

From the looks of it, you have given Webster's definition of the word "Best".

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The distinguishing points of bespoke tailoring are the buyer's total control over the fabric used, the features and fit, and the way the garment should be made.

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Originally posted by MacD37:
No I gave the definition of "BESPOKE" And what I posted was what was given.

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Originally posted by dpcd:
I agree that the 450-400s are easier to shoot as I have two of them and, although I do not own at present a .450 Nitro, I have had .458 Win Mags and they were definitely not fun to shoot. The 400, OTOH, is no problem to shoot as many rounds as you want to. I just don't like the eighty cents per shot thing.

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Originally posted by Ammoloader:
First impressions of my Sabatti 450/400 Deluxe with ejectors:

Excellent fit and finish with gorgeous wood. Engraving is very attractive, more so than in the catalog pictures. Stiff opening with tight lockup. Ejectors throw brass about 6 feet without any blocking. Shot many groups with hand loads that looked just like the test target about ~1.10 inches apart one slightly higher than the other.

Front trigger has a little creep and is a bit too heavy, probably 6 lbs. Back trigger has a glass rod break at about 5 lbs.

Stock fits nicely for my average stature and feels good in the shoulder. Recoil is strait back with minimal muzzle rise and is very managable. Appears to be regulated for a 6 o'clock hold with the bead at the bottom of the V notch.

I could not find any factory ammo, so I am still working up loads with Hornady brass and the DGX bullet loaded with H 4831 SC.

I compared it to a new Merkel double on the rack. The Sabatti had nicer fit and finish.

I'm very happy with the rifle. I plan to install on a kickeeze buttpad and perhaps have the front trigger worked on. I may end up cutting the rear sight a little deeper depending on where the loads end up.

Rusty has volunteered to post some pictures.

These rifles are a great value and alot of fun!

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Originally posted by 5seventy:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
No I gave the definition of "BESPOKE" And what I posted was what was given.

Mac, go back and have another look at that dictionary.
You have been looking at the definition of "BEST", which is several listings below what you should be looking at, which is "BESPOKE".

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by 5seventy:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
No I gave the definition of "BESPOKE" And what I posted was what was given.

Mac, go back and have another look at that dictionary.
You have been looking at the definition of "BEST", which is several listings below what you should be looking at, which is "BESPOKE".

I see RDB's post as the same as yours, but what I want is where you get the definition you, and RDP are posting? There are NO listings between be-spoke, and Best in the Webster's dictionary on my desk. Maybe an English dictionary from the UK has words only used in the UK, that is what I'm trying to find out.

What text are you useing or is it just understood, there, that that is what the word means!

I'm not trying to be dificult, but I'd like something on a accepted authority! As I said I'm willing to learn, but your word is just that,without documintation. The only thing I can find is that the word bespoke is a synonomym for the BEST.

If there is an online international dictionary that reflects your definition, please provide a link.

As you know there are words in any language that are used to mean different things in the several dialects of that language, and this may be one of those cases, that's what I'm trying to find out!

I practical terms, it actually means little to me personally, because I could never afford a custom, best, or bespoke double rifle anyway. I just like to understand what people are talking about when they use certain words.
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Is that definition just your opinion, or did you read it in some athority on language? I'm willing to learn! Hit me with the text! If it is just your opinion,then you know what they say about opinion!

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Originally posted by 5seventy:

TRY THIS

OR THIS

MAYBE THIS

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American and British English differences

Definition of Bespoke
Be`spoke´ Pronunciation: bė`spōk´
imp. & p. 1. imp. & p. p. of Bespeak.
Related Words
bespoken, custom, custom-made, customised, customized, made-to-order, tailor-made, tailored


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British English, or UK English (BrE, BE, en-GB[1]), is the broad term used to distinguish the forms of the English language used in the United Kingdom from forms used elsewhere.[2] The Oxford English Dictionary applies the term to English "as spoken or written in the British Isles; esp[ecially] the forms of English usual in Great Britain...", reserving "Hiberno-English" for "The English language as spoken and written in Ireland".[3]

There are slight regional variations in formal written English in the United Kingdom (for example, although the words wee and little are interchangeable in some contexts, one is more likely to see wee written by someone from northern Britain (and especially Scotland) or from Northern Ireland than by someone from Southern England or Wales). Nevertheless, there is a meaningful degree of uniformity in written English within the United Kingdom, and this could be described as "British English". The forms of spoken English, however, vary considerably more than in most other areas of the world where English is spoken,[4] and a uniform concept of "British English" is therefore more difficult to apply to the spoken language. According to Tom McArthur in the Oxford Guide to World English (p. 45), "[f]or many people...especially in England [the phrase British English] is tautologous," and it shares "all the ambiguities and tensions in the word British, and as a result can be used and interpreted in two ways, more broadly or more narrowly, within a range of blurring and ambiguity".

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This is what I suspected!
That words, in the same language have different meanings depending on your location in the world! I found this to be true especially in Africa with an English PH. All English, but meaning different things.

One example is the slang word "PISSED" in the USA it means VERY ANGRY, in Africa, and aparently in the UK, it means INTOXICATED ON ALCOHOL

Simply a misunderstanding because of location! Not wrong just different to different people, and both are correct in most cases. I find this causes misunderstandings on the WORLD WIDE NET. Folks actually saying the same word, but meaning very different things.

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it is a stupid word but it means indicates BEST, adj, superlative of GOOD, excelling all others

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Originally posted by MJines:
Wow, this thread sure took a detour into a ditch.

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learned something.

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Originally posted by Will:

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learned something.

Learn something? We don't need to learn no stinking something.

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Originally posted by mauser93:
Jeez. I had no idea what I was starting.

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Originally posted by 5seventy:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Wow, this thread sure took a detour into a ditch.

Well, if trying to get to the true meaning of words used in the British gun industry, and directly involving double rifles, means that it's gone into a ditch, then it must be in a ditch I suppose.
I'll bet though, there will be more than one person here, who had heard the word 'bespoke' before, but had no idea what it meant, who may have learned something.

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Originally posted by RDB:
Tough crowd!

"Bespoke (pronounced bih-spohk') is a British English term employed in a variety of applications to mean an item custom-made to the buyer's specification. While applied to many items now, from computer software to luxury car appointments, the term historically was applied only to tailored clothing, shirts and other parts of men's apparel involving measurement and fitting.

The distinguishing points of bespoke tailoring are the buyer's total control over the fabric used, the features and fit, and the way the garment should be made. More generally, bespoke describes a high degree of customisation, and involvement of the end-user, in the production of the goods"


There are custom guns and there are best grade guns and then there are "bespoke" guns. I have built all three. But very few of the last definition simply because most end users these days don't know the difference and are happy with one of the first two.

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by 5seventy:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Wow, this thread sure took a detour into a ditch.

Well, if trying to get to the true meaning of words used in the British gun industry, and directly involving double rifles, means that it's gone into a ditch, then it must be in a ditch I suppose.
I'll bet though, there will be more than one person here, who had heard the word 'bespoke' before, but had no idea what it meant, who may have learned something.

I wounder who you could be talking about!

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