The bores needed a good cleaning.That is what caused the shots to spread,IMO.It took several applications of Wipe-Out to remove the copper fouling after the last few shots.

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The bores needed a good cleaning.That is what caused the shots to spread,IMO.It took several applications of Wipe-Out to remove the copper fouling after the last few shots.

Wipeout is great but I might be a gluten for punishment for i think it is highly unlikely the shots are not grouping closer at 50m due to fowling.
I hardly clean my barrels and do not have an issue.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
The bores needed a good cleaning.That is what caused the shots to spread,IMO.It took several applications of Wipe-Out to remove the copper fouling after the last few shots.

Wipeout is great but I might be a gluten for punishment for i think it is highly unlikely the shots are not grouping closer at 50m due to fowling.
I hardly clean my barrels and do not have an issue.

As you can see in the second target I posted the group was closer together with a cleaner bore.
I have never had a barrel that was not affected by fouling.I never heard of one either.You have said that the position of the sun causes your POI to change.I don't buy that too.My Searcy will out shoot your WR or any other double you own.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by ozhunter:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
The bores needed a good cleaning.That is what caused the shots to spread,IMO.It took several applications of Wipe-Out to remove the copper fouling after the last few shots.

Wipeout is great but I might be a gluten for punishment for i think it is highly unlikely the shots are not grouping closer at 50m due to fowling.
I hardly clean my barrels and do not have an issue.

As you can see in the second target I posted the group was closer together with a cleaner bore.
I have never had a barrel that was not effected by fouling.I never heard of one either.You have said that the position of the sun causes your POI to change.I don't buy that too.My Searcy will out shoot your WR or any other double you own.

You'll never learn, will you?
Cal

Are you shooting off sticks? or off hand?

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by ozhunter:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
The bores needed a good cleaning.That is what caused the shots to spread,IMO.It took several applications of Wipe-Out to remove the copper fouling after the last few shots.

Wipeout is great but I might be a gluten for punishment for i think it is highly unlikely the shots are not grouping closer at 50m due to fowling.
I hardly clean my barrels and do not have an issue.

As you can see in the second target I posted the group was closer together with a cleaner bore.
I have never had a barrel that was not effected by fouling.I never heard of one either.You have said that the position of the sun causes your POI to change.I don't buy that too.My Searcy will out shoot your WR or any other double you own.

You'll never learn, will you?
Cal

See, the whole liability waiver idea wasn’t half bad.

I shot it at 100yds(the two holes on the top).
As you can see I need a taller front sight-about a .02 correction.
[URL= ]100yds off the bench[/URL]
I got a sight that shoots too high and one that shoots too low and Recknagel doesn't seem to make one in between.

Let's not forget this is a stopping rifle.If you need to shoot at 100yds that means you didn't place the first shots right to begin with.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Let's not forget this is a stopping rifle.If you need to shoot at 100yds that means you didn't place the first shots right to begin with.

And??

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Let's not forget this is a stopping rifle.If you need to shoot at 100yds that means you didn't place the first shots right to begin with.

They make great hunting rifles not often necessarily for stopping a charge

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Let's not forget this is a stopping rifle.If you need to shoot at 100yds that means you didn't place the first shots right to begin with.

Strongly disagree!

By your own words, "A Stopping Rifle". That implies that its only use is to clean up a botched shot with your "Non-Stopping Rifle", does it not?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Let's not forget this is a stopping rifle.If you need to shoot at 100yds that means you didn't place the first shots right to begin with.

Strongly disagree!

By your own words, "A Stopping Rifle". That implies that its only use is to clean up a botched shot with your "Non-Stopping Rifle", does it not?

You disagree that a 450NE is a stopping rifle?

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Let's not forget this is a stopping rifle.If you need to shoot at 100yds that means you didn't place the first shots right to begin with.

Strongly disagree!

By your own words, "A Stopping Rifle". That implies that its only use is to clean up a botched shot with your "Non-Stopping Rifle", does it not?

You disagree that a 450NE is a stopping rifle?

I disagree that it is ONLY a stopping rifle. It's a hunting rifle. It can be used as a "Stopping Rifle" if necessary ... if shot accurately.

I disagree that the only reason to shoot it 100 yards is when you didn't place the first shots right to begin with (implying you blew the shot and you're trying to stop the animal from getting away).

Again, it's a hunting rifle ... period. I've done several hunts with a double rifle only, with no bolt, single shot, etc. or other scoped weapon with which to switch in the event you can't get closer. (Done that also and felt I cheated myself ... previously the topic of one of my AR threads). I like to hunt up close but have taken longer shots with a double more than once and it worked like a charm.

Ron Vella of Canada and member of this website has shot game with his legendary .450 #2 NE double rifle at upwards of 200 yards several times. I recall that he has made comments about this on this website as well as on the Nitro Express website.

While hunting in the Zambezi Valley a few years ago with well known PH, Lance Nesbitt, this issue came up. Lance was shooting a 470 Nitro double rifle in, I believe, a Chapuis. I was hesitant to shoot at buffalo at over 100 yards with my Searcy 450-400 double rifle. He told me that he had shot game out to over 200 yards with his iron-sighted Chapuis, and felt confident in doing so. I took him at his word and shot my second cape buffalo with Lance at well over 100 yards. One shot, death bellowing resulted, and it was all over.

Guys I think what George meant was that 45 caliber doubles are designed as close in stopping rifles. I don't know of any maker that built a big bore double with long range shooting as it's purpose. I will also say that it is allot of fun shooting the big doubles at longer ranges than they were made for. In 2000 I was on a hunt with the late Art Carter and Johan Calitz. One evening going to camp Johan stops the truck hands me his 470 and ask if I would take the two Tsessebe out in front of us.
I did, two shots two Tsessebe down at 180 yds.
So in the end how a hunter uses his rifle is his choice.

I think that what Butch says is absolutely true. However, that does not mean that you can't reach out and fatally touch game a little further out as Butch himself has also attested to!

I love the Searcy Doubles.
Just wish I didn't need to sell mine.

You deserve the Nobel Peace prize mate!

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You deserve the Nobel Peace prize mate!

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Sometimes one must be pragmatic

Right barrel only at 50yds.It's a stopper alright!

[URL= ]50yds[/URL]

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Right barrel only at 50yds.It's a stopper alright!

[URL= ]50yds[/URL]

A nice group George but don't know why you relate stopping with grouping. My 7mm-08 shoots better groups than that at 100m but that doesn't make it a stopper in the sense of hard hitting power to disable large dangerous game either charging or running off wounded.
Indeed your 450 will be a stopper by virtue of its calibre and bullet weight, it is just up to you to place the bullet where it counts.

Looking forward to reading of your hunting with the new Searcy.

All semantics aside, it appears to be a very attractive rifle that shoots well.

I can understand why you are happy with it, and wish you the utmost success in the field with it.


Tim

Thanks for sharing Shootaway. The .450 is a good and versatile caliber for the hunter and reloader. Your dr looks good.

George

I see your groups (posts dated on 29th April, 5th May & 11th May) - are variable in point of impact.

The last one - right barrel only looks perfect. It would be good to know if the left barrel regulated at the same area.

Have you resolved your foresight by just feeling comfortable with your sight picture or did you change your fore sight?

Wish you best and hope your 100 yard POI & groups are also acceptable.