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Anyone loading both? Should the same charge of powder that shoots with DGX work with the solids? Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | ||
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Yes, from what I've seen. Don't expect the same POI though....It will differ slightly. Cliff NRA Life Member CMP Distinguished Rifleman NRA Master, Short and Long Range | |||
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Back off a couple of grains and work up to your normal DGX load with the DGS.. NRA Life ASSRA Life DRSS Today's Quote: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime. | |||
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Agree 100% As with all changes in components, even by the same Manufacturer. | |||
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All good, common sense, advise. In my 500NE the same load (93 grains RL 15) worked well for both bullets. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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They're the same bullet. Why would the powder charge not be the same? ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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They don't look the same to me. Might be similar but they are NOT the same. http://www.hornady.com/store/DGX-DGS-Dangerous-Game/ | |||
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yes they are ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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No they aren't will.. Have a look at the full thick steel jacket on the DGS vs. the thin jacket of the DGX. NRA Life ASSRA Life DRSS Today's Quote: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime. | |||
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cut them in half and look ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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 .423 caliber DGS on the left, DGX on the right. While both are copper clad steel jacketed bullets, they are not the same bullet. Their terminal ballistics will be very different. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Will, How can you say that ? They even look different on the link I provided to the Hornady web site ? Different thickness of the jackets .......... | |||
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If will has already done that let him post pics of them. I'll cut a pair if somone will help post the pics afterwards. NRA Life ASSRA Life DRSS Today's Quote: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime. | |||
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Yet again our 'resident expert' is WRONG. I pulled a DGX round and a DGS round for my 450 NE's and the cut bullets look exactly like the pics shown on the Hornady site. NRA Life ASSRA Life DRSS Today's Quote: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime. | |||
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in my testing, i got LESS vel in the same charge, oal combo in the SOLID then the soft .. that's right.. solid was SLOWER - which "never" happens ... i understand, from hornady reps, that its the same cup, inverted -- .. try a -2 gr load on both and check vels. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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That's correct Jeffe. The DGX is a normal cup with the opening up front. The DGS is inverted with lead exposed at the back end. NRA Life ASSRA Life DRSS Today's Quote: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime. | |||
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The solids are substantially longer than the softs (as seen in Rusty's post). Jeffe, when you got slower velocities with the DGS, you were using the same OAL? Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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no sir, in the .510, the dgs/x are not longer. i loaded them into the 500 ar .. expecting the historic results of "same load, solids go faster" - at the same oal .. in fact, loaded on my progress LNL, using the same die, powder, primer/crimp pressure across the board .. and i didn't just see it once.. i had the softs go faster form 92 to 100 grains .. 100% of the time ... once i would have shrugged... twice would have concerned me ..but measured over 60 shots, and it was exactly the same results. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Thanks for the reply, Jeffe. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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In my 450-400 Krieg, both bullets shoot indentically with the same load. | |||
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Thought I'd report back. I started 2gr less than my DGX load. The DGS shot well at each level and POI was pretty close with all, but at the same charge, the group was right there. As an aside, I also worked up from 2gr down for the HDY 300gr FP and Tony's rule worked at the exact same charge - very sweet. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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Peter, what is your barrel length and MV with that RL-15 charge? Does it regulate well in your DR? | |||
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yessir!  Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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Sorry 6.5 I only just saw your post. My rifle is a Blaser S2. I have no idea what the barrel length is but I can measure it. I suspect that my velocities are a little lower than the magic 2100. When I was developing loads I was just looking for "regulation" rather than meeting a particular velocity requirement. I did post my chrono results on a different thread but will have to go back and look. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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6.5, here is the original thread: http://forums.accuratereloadin...491013241#9491013241 Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Well I ran these over the chrono Thursday and guess what? DGS averaged 12fps SLOWER than the DGX.....juslike Jeffe said. Interesting... Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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