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Oh dear; not again; sigh  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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surestrike, pay no attention to this dickweed piece of shit. He can't help himself. Wasn't given enough attention as a child. Place this total ass hole on your ignore list. It worked for me.  Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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In this shot on a big Botswana border tusker, the 900 grain CEB #13 from my V-C 600NE traversed from the right occiput trough the thickest part of the skull to left temple - but missed the brain. As you can see, the elephant crumbled despite my missing the brain. Might have had the same reaction to a smaller caliber ... but then again maybe not. 600NE on Elephant NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Looks like somebody needs their "meds" readjusted. I think it's high time that his case workers find out that he is playing with guns. I guess I better put the crazy little prick on ignore or I might just start having some "Hallucinatios".. BTW Shitface have you put anymore thought into apologizing to the AR community for being a crazy out of control little asshole? | |||
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Now back to reality. The one and only caliber I've killed stuff with in DR is a .470 NE. However having seen a couple of big critters killed with a .500. It is my belief that the .500 NE is the top of the good stuff and that it is also the pinnacle of the advantages of a big bore and bigger is the beginning of the slide into diminishing returns all factors taken into account. Just my humble opinion of course as I haven't spent anytime behind larger than .500 caliber doubles. | |||
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Wish that video clip was a bit longer to see the whole seen unfold, At any rate for sure it shows how your elephant crumbled at the shot. good stuff.  Best regards Malek Good shooting/hunting and God's best. Best regards Malek Good Hunting/Shooting and God's best. | |||
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BINGO!! Spot on again my friend. Must be some of that pilot shit, Mav!!  | |||
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Todd, My next double is going to be a .500. | |||
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An excellent choice my friend. The old saying is that the 500NE is what the smaller Nitro Express rounds hope to be once they grow up. A good saying for sure. Because the 577 and 600 give similar performance on game as the 500, but the ammo and rifles are so much heavier, I like to add lately, that the 577NE and 600NE are Nitro Express rounds that not only grew up, but also developed a beer belly!! They are all very COOL however and wanting one is all the reason a man needs to own one. That and of course the $jack$ required to make it your own! | |||
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This was exactly the thought process I relied upon, after conducting vast research on the topic, when selecting the 500NE as my ideal caliber for Elephant hunting. I have since convinced at least two DR purchasers of the validity of my research. They both went with the 500NE after initially believing the 470NE should be their choice. No regrets in either case. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I still think you boys are off by .110"   NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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CCM, You've got to be compensating for something, right? | |||
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Of course! My short stature. Plus, unlike certain ginormous Texans, I don't whine about carrying an extra pound or two (excluding my belly, that is...).  NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Ginormous Texans!! Ouch!! I'm wounded on that one. I'm going to go off and have a few sniffles until regaining my composure.   | |||
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Ahh ... Lets go have a beer and swap Africa safari stories instead ... NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Quote from Todd: An excellent choice my friend. The old saying is that the 500NE is what the smaller Nitro Express rounds hope to be once they grow up. A good saying for sure. Because the 577 and 600 give similar performance on game as the 500, but the ammo and rifles are so much heavier, I like to add lately, that the 577NE and 600NE are Nitro Express rounds that not only grew up, but also developed a beer belly!![/quote] Gee, Todd, a beer belly. How about from a former weightlifter's point of view: ON STEROIDS! Cheers, mate. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Any time my friend!  | |||
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Gee, Todd, a beer belly. How about from a former weightlifter's point of view: ON STEROIDS! Cheers, mate. Cal[/QUOTE] | |||
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A pictorial example... Both are super heavy weights. The first weighing a bit more than the second. Both are hard hitting. One is carrying a "little" extra bulk and weight than is needed for the job. The .600 NE of fighters...  The .500 NE of fighters....  Any questions? | |||
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  But where does the 577NE fit in? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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I think I recognize that guy from one of the Africa hunt reports, he was wearing a hat and a shirt and shorts but the physique looks strikingly familiar . . .  Mike | |||
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Now THAT'S funny right there!! | |||
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Sure, Why is a 500NE "needed" at all? I mean, if the 577/600 only give 16%/29% increase in ME and 13%/18% increase in diameter over the 500NE, what makes the 12%/16% ME and 7%/10% diameter increase of the 500NE over 470NE/450NE so much better than the latter for dangerous game? I think I'll have to agree with Michael458 that the ONLY caliber that should be used on dangerous game is the 375 . Apparently, anything more is just carrying a bit of extra weight for no advantage.Yep, the 375 is all we need! NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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A "scoped" 375! Because Harry Selby says so and all the PHs since said "Harumph, Harumph"!!  | |||
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Todd, I knew I could count on you to come around to the proper way of thinking! Ya gotta believe ... NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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CCMDoc. All them there numbers just plum confused me... | |||
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Maybe right about here. Cool, strong, but just a little heavy and a bit eccentric maybe.. (I'm really reaching here guys cut me some slack..)  | |||
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I was thinking the 577NE was more like George Foreman. No, not the lean and mean "revolutionary Uhuru" days,  but prior to the George Foreman Grill days of QVC.  You know, when he re-entered the ring after 20 or so years of rest ... back when he only had 4 sons named George, not 7!  | |||
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 Great, my future 577NE will nicely match my  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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and could still belt the fck out of most people Previously 500N with many thousands of posts ! | |||
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I agree even when Foreman had gained a bit of weight and was fighting professionally at age 50 FIFTY!! He could still belt the living CRAP out of just about anybody.. Kind of like a .577 a bit chunky but you wouldn't want to get hit by it! | |||
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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I thought that I should let you know I have just ordered the new Heym Jumbo Sidelock "Mark Sullivan" model in .577NE. He's made some very interesting changes to the Jumbo, specifically an H&H style stock design, very shallow V rear sight, very positive safety with a 12 to 12 1/2 lbs finished weight, amongst other things. With a 12 month lead time and a great price (compared to WR) the package was too good to refuse. I don't need it, and my .500 may get more use, but I want it and that's good enough for me | |||
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Yes you do Well done on choosing the 577NE! I also want a WR droplock, but may need to check out this Heym model! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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+1 NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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 BRILLIANT DECISION !!!!! BRILLIANT DECISION !!!!! D/R Hunter Correct bullet placement, combined with the required depth of bullet penetration, results in an anchored animal... | |||
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Max: As we say in the USA, you da man! A H&H 500, a Heym .375 flanged, and now a Heym Jumbo .577 one of which you went to pick up in your Italian sports car, Ferreri or Lamborghini? Will you adopt me and take me to Africa with you? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Yes Sir, it is!! | |||
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D R. Congratulations! What swayed you between a Heym vs V-C vs Merkel vs Searcy and what are you expecting it to cost? I m not sure if Docs V-C is still available. | |||
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Any of you guys that want a 500 or 577 I have my VCs for sale. I'll make you a good deal. Sam | |||
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