.500 NE vs .577NE vs. 600NE - terminal performance

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15 April 2013, 04:09

PD999

.500 NE vs .577NE vs. 600NE - terminal performance

Oh dear; not again; sigh

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15 April 2013, 04:16

DoubleDon

surestrike, pay no attention to this dickweed piece of shit. He can't help himself. Wasn't given enough attention as a child. Place this total ass hole on your ignore list. It worked for me.

15 April 2013, 07:09

CCMDoc

In this shot on a big Botswana border tusker, the 900 grain CEB #13 from my V-C 600NE traversed from the right occiput trough the thickest part of the skull to left temple - but missed the brain. As you can see, the elephant crumbled despite my missing the brain.

Might have had the same reaction to a smaller caliber ... but then again maybe not.

600NE on Elephant

15 April 2013, 08:57

surestrike

quote:
.Remember when you were seeing ghosts(in the airport) on your last trip to Zim. rotflmo Hallucinatios-imagine what you see in the bush!! Have you reported any UFO`s?

Looks like somebody needs their "meds" readjusted. I think it's high time that his case workers find out that he is playing with guns. I guess I better put the crazy little prick on ignore or I might just start having some "Hallucinatios"..

BTW Shitface have you put anymore thought into apologizing to the AR community for being a crazy out of control little asshole?

15 April 2013, 09:32

surestrike

Now back to reality. The one and only caliber I've killed stuff with in DR is a .470 NE. However having seen a couple of big critters killed with a .500. It is my belief that the .500 NE is the top of the good stuff and that it is also the pinnacle of the advantages of a big bore and bigger is the beginning of the slide into diminishing returns all factors taken into account.

Just my humble opinion of course as I haven't spent anytime behind larger than .500 caliber doubles.

15 April 2013, 09:56

malek

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
In this shot on a big Botswana border tusker, the 900 grain CEB #13 from my V-C 600NE traversed from the right occiput trough the thickest part of the skull to left temple - but missed the brain. As you can see, the elephant crumbled despite my missing the brain.

Might have had the same reaction to a smaller caliber ... but then again maybe not.

600NE on Elephant

Wish that video clip was a bit longer to see the whole seen unfold, At any rate for sure it shows how your elephant crumbled at the shot. good stuff.

Best regards

Malek
Good shooting/hunting and God's best.

16 April 2013, 05:36

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
Now back to reality. The one and only caliber I've killed stuff with in DR is a .470 NE. However having seen a couple of big critters killed with a .500. It is my belief that the .500 NE is the top of the good stuff and that it is also the pinnacle of the advantages of a big bore and bigger is the beginning of the slide into diminishing returns all factors taken into account.

Just my humble opinion of course as I haven't spent anytime behind larger than .500 caliber doubles.

BINGO!! Spot on again my friend. Must be some of that pilot shit, Mav!!

16 April 2013, 07:22

surestrike

Todd,

My next double is going to be a .500.

16 April 2013, 23:03

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
Todd,

My next double is going to be a .500.

An excellent choice my friend.

The old saying is that the 500NE is what the smaller Nitro Express rounds hope to be once they grow up. A good saying for sure.

Because the 577 and 600 give similar performance on game as the 500, but the ammo and rifles are so much heavier, I like to add lately, that the 577NE and 600NE are Nitro Express rounds that not only grew up, but also developed a beer belly!!

They are all very COOL however and wanting one is all the reason a man needs to own one. That and of course the $jack$ required to make it your own!

17 April 2013, 04:26

LionHunter

quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
Now back to reality. The one and only caliber I've killed stuff with in DR is a .470 NE. However having seen a couple of big critters killed with a .500. It is my belief that the .500 NE is the top of the good stuff and that it is also the pinnacle of the advantages of a big bore and bigger is the beginning of the slide into diminishing returns all factors taken into account.

Just my humble opinion of course as I haven't spent anytime behind larger than .500 caliber doubles.

This was exactly the thought process I relied upon, after conducting vast research on the topic, when selecting the 500NE as my ideal caliber for Elephant hunting. I have since convinced at least two DR purchasers of the validity of my research. They both went with the 500NE after initially believing the 470NE should be their choice. No regrets in either case.

17 April 2013, 08:04

CCMDoc

I still think you boys are off by .110"

17 April 2013, 08:08

surestrike

CCM,

You've got to be compensating for something, right?

17 April 2013, 08:21

CCMDoc

quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
CCM,

You've got to be compensating for something, right?

Of course! My short stature.

Plus, unlike certain ginormous Texans, I don't whine about carrying an extra pound or two (excluding my belly, that is...).

17 April 2013, 08:36

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
CCM,

You've got to be compensating for something, right?

Of course! My short stature.

Plus, unlike certain ginormous Texans, I don't whine about carrying an extra pound or two (excluding my belly, that is...).

Ginormous Texans!! Ouch!! I'm wounded on that one. I'm going to go off and have a few sniffles until regaining my composure.

17 April 2013, 08:49

CCMDoc

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
CCM,

You've got to be compensating for something, right?

Of course! My short stature.

Plus, unlike certain ginormous Texans, I don't whine about carrying an extra pound or two (excluding my belly, that is...).

Ginormous Texans!! Ouch!! I'm wounded on that one. I'm going to go off and have a few sniffles until regaining my composure.

Ahh ...

Lets go have a beer and swap Africa safari stories instead ...

17 April 2013, 09:05

cal pappas

Quote from Todd:
An excellent choice my friend.

The old saying is that the 500NE is what the smaller Nitro Express rounds hope to be once they grow up. A good saying for sure.

Because the 577 and 600 give similar performance on game as the 500, but the ammo and rifles are so much heavier, I like to add lately, that the 577NE and 600NE are Nitro Express rounds that not only grew up, but also developed a beer belly!![/quote]

Gee, Todd, a beer belly. How about from a former weightlifter's point of view: ON STEROIDS!
Cheers, mate.
Cal

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17 April 2013, 09:16

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
CCM,

You've got to be compensating for something, right?

Of course! My short stature.

Plus, unlike certain ginormous Texans, I don't whine about carrying an extra pound or two (excluding my belly, that is...).

Ginormous Texans!! Ouch!! I'm wounded on that one. I'm going to go off and have a few sniffles until regaining my composure.

Ahh ...

Lets go have a beer and swap Africa safari stories instead ...

Any time my friend!

17 April 2013, 09:18

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Quote from Todd:
An excellent choice my friend.

The old saying is that the 500NE is what the smaller Nitro Express rounds hope to be once they grow up. A good saying for sure.

Because the 577 and 600 give similar performance on game as the 500, but the ammo and rifles are so much heavier, I like to add lately, that the 577NE and 600NE are Nitro Express rounds that not only grew up, but also developed a beer belly!!

Gee, Todd, a beer belly. How about from a former weightlifter's point of view: ON STEROIDS!
Cheers, mate.
Cal[/QUOTE]

18 April 2013, 09:47

surestrike

A pictorial example...

Both are super heavy weights.

The first weighing a bit more than the second.

Both are hard hitting.

One is carrying a "little" extra bulk and weight than is needed for the job.

The .600 NE of fighters...

The .500 NE of fighters....

Any questions?

18 April 2013, 12:48

PD999

But where does the 577NE fit in?

18 April 2013, 17:34

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:

I think I recognize that guy from one of the Africa hunt reports, he was wearing a hat and a shirt and shorts but the physique looks strikingly familiar . . .

18 April 2013, 18:05

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
A pictorial example...

Both are super heavy weights.

The first weighing a bit more than the second.

Both are hard hitting.

One is carrying a "little" extra bulk and weight than is needed for the job.

The .600 NE of fighters...

The .500 NE of fighters....

Any questions?

Now THAT'S funny right there!!

18 April 2013, 18:46

CCMDoc

quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:
A pictorial example...

Both are super heavy weights.

The first weighing a bit more than the second.

Both are hard hitting.

One is carrying a "little" extra bulk and weight than is needed for the job.

The .600 NE of fighters...

The .500 NE of fighters....

Any questions?

Sure,

Why is a 500NE "needed" at all?

I mean, if the 577/600 only give 16%/29% increase in ME and 13%/18% increase in diameter over the 500NE, what makes the 12%/16% ME and 7%/10% diameter increase of the 500NE over 470NE/450NE so much better than the latter for dangerous game?

I think I'll have to agree with Michael458 that the ONLY caliber that should be used on dangerous game is the 375

. Apparently, anything more is just carrying a bit of extra weight for no advantage.

Yep, the 375 is all we need!

18 April 2013, 18:56

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:

Yep, the 375 is all we need!

A "scoped" 375! Because Harry Selby says so and all the PHs since said "Harumph, Harumph"!!

18 April 2013, 18:59

CCMDoc

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:

Yep, the 375 is all we need!

A "scoped" 375! Because Harry Selby says so and all the PHs since said "Harumph, Harumph"!!

Todd,

I knew I could count on you to come around to the proper way of thinking! Ya gotta believe ...

18 April 2013, 20:37

surestrike

quote:
Originally posted by CCMDoc:
Sure,

Why is a 500NE "needed" at all?

I mean, if the 577/600 only give 16%/29% increase in ME and 13%/18% increase in diameter over the 500NE, what makes the 12%/16% ME and 7%/10% diameter increase of the 500NE over 470NE/450NE so much better than the latter for dangerous game?

I think I'll have to agree with Michael458 that the ONLY caliber that should be used on dangerous game is the 375 . Apparently, anything more is just carrying a bit of extra weight for no advantage.

Yep, the 375 is all we need!

CCMDoc.

All them there numbers just plum confused me...

18 April 2013, 20:49

surestrike

quote:
But where does the 577NE fit in?

Maybe right about here. Cool, strong, but just a little heavy and a bit eccentric maybe..

(I'm really reaching here guys cut me some slack..)

18 April 2013, 22:00

Todd Williams

I was thinking the 577NE was more like George Foreman. No, not the lean and mean "revolutionary Uhuru" days,

but prior to the George Foreman Grill days of QVC.

You know, when he re-entered the ring after 20 or so years of rest ... back when he only had 4 sons named George, not 7!

18 April 2013, 23:18

PD999

Great, my future 577NE will nicely match my ~~belly~~ puppy-fat!

19 April 2013, 01:09

505G

quote:
ou know, when he re-entered the ring after 20 or so years of rest ...

and could still belt the fck out of most people

19 April 2013, 02:27

surestrike

I agree even when Foreman had gained a bit of weight and was fighting professionally at age 50 FIFTY!! He could still belt the living CRAP out of just about anybody..

Kind of like a .577 a bit chunky but you wouldn't want to get hit by it!

19 April 2013, 05:03

PD999

quote:
Originally posted by surestrike:

Kind of like a .577 a bit chunky but you wouldn't want to get hit by it!

22 April 2013, 04:00

Maximus Brutus

I thought that I should let you know I have just ordered the new Heym Jumbo Sidelock "Mark Sullivan" model in .577NE.

He's made some very interesting changes to the Jumbo, specifically an H&H style stock design, very shallow V rear sight, very positive safety with a 12 to 12 1/2 lbs finished weight, amongst other things. With a 12 month lead time and a great price (compared to WR) the package was too good to refuse.

I don't need it, and my .500 may get more use, but I want it and that's good enough for me

22 April 2013, 04:16

PD999

quote:
Originally posted by Maximus Brutus:

I don't need it ...

Yes you do

Well done on choosing the 577NE! I also want a WR droplock, but may need to check out this Heym model!

22 April 2013, 04:54

CCMDoc

quote:
Originally posted by PD999:
quote:
Originally posted by Maximus Brutus:

I don't need it ...

Yes you do

22 April 2013, 05:59

D R Hunter

quote:
Originally posted by Maximus Brutus:

I have just ordered the new Heym Jumbo Sidelock "Mark Sullivan" model in .577NE.

He's made some very interesting changes to the Jumbo, specifically an H&H style stock
design, very shallow V rear sight, very positive safety with a 12 to 12 1/2 lbs finished
weight, amongst other things. With a 12 month lead time and a great price (compared to
WR) the package was too good to refuse.

...I want it and that's good enough for me

BRILLIANT DECISION !!!!!

22 April 2013, 06:18

Dave Bush

quote:
Originally posted by Maximus Brutus:
I thought that I should let you know I have just ordered the new Heym Jumbo Sidelock "Mark Sullivan" model in .577NE.

He's made some very interesting changes to the Jumbo, specifically an H&H style stock design, very shallow V rear sight, very positive safety with a 12 to 12 1/2 lbs finished weight, amongst other things. With a 12 month lead time and a great price (compared to WR) the package was too good to refuse.

I don't need it, and my .500 may get more use, but I want it and that's good enough for me

Max:

As we say in the USA, you da man! A H&H 500, a Heym .375 flanged, and now a Heym Jumbo .577 one of which you went to pick up in your Italian sports car, Ferreri or Lamborghini? Will you adopt me and take me to Africa with you?

Dave
DRSS
Chapuis 9.3X74
Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL
Krieghoff 500/.416 NE
Krieghoff 500 NE

"Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer"

"If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition).

22 April 2013, 07:20

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by Maximus Brutus:
I thought that I should let you know I have just ordered the new Heym Jumbo Sidelock "Mark Sullivan" model in .577NE.

He's made some very interesting changes to the Jumbo, specifically an H&H style stock design, very shallow V rear sight, very positive safety with a 12 to 12 1/2 lbs finished weight, amongst other things. With a 12 month lead time and a great price (compared to WR) the package was too good to refuse.

I don't need it, and my .500 may get more use, but I want it and that's good enough for me

Yes Sir, it is!!

28 May 2013, 01:43

LR3

D R. Congratulations! What swayed you between a Heym vs V-C vs Merkel vs Searcy and what are you expecting it to cost? I m not sure if Docs V-C is still available.