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I want to put a ghost ring aperature sight on my Merkel .500 NE. Quetions: 1) Would you do it for a DG rifle? 2) If so...do you change the front blade as well??? 3) Does anyone have any expereience doing it? a. if so...any suggestions on parts??? b. or...a gunsmith who has done it??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | ||
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Can only answer question #1 but Heck yeah, if that's what I wanted and it would help me shoot better.  | |||
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Lane, Check these out: Ghost on a Double 1 Ghost on a Double 2 NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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I have looked at those before and know Philip A personally...actually held that rifle. Was looking for some pics and ideas of parts from someone who has done it on a Merkel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Send JD an E-mail he did one on a 140-2 Merkel 470NE ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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I would do it if i needed to. Someone over here has a DR WITH A ghost ring and it works well. Yes, I would change the front sight if it is a blade to a post with a brass bead. . | |||
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philip and Steve also put a fiber optic front blade on there guns with the ghost ring it is great especially in low light | |||
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Would that be Mr. OZHUNTER???  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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No, it wasn't, but I know who you are talking about LOL !!! It was on an older English DR and worked really well. In fact, thinking about it, I have seen a modern DR with one on, just can't remember what it was. . | |||
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Mouse93 has been playing with one of recent and seems quite pleased with it. | |||
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Didn't Mouse93 post on the project with pics??? Been looking for it but can't find. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Mine works ok . it was a steel replacement for milatary style surplus. I can't remenber the co name. It was posted here before, do a search under my name. I had them send me one to my specs, I had them cut it short and drill two mounting holes. It was about 80 bucks for the sight and $50 to have the center rib of the rifle drilled and taped by a local smith. I would do what Rusty did for just a little more money and install a red dot instead of a peep. The peep is better than the Merkel's sights. A low powered scope or red dot is much faster. The disadvantage to hunting buff with a double is the lack of a scope to place your shots in low light or in heavy cover ( I have read that here several times so it must be true) The Nikon solves all those problems. The 30 mm nikon african in 1-5 with the illuminated retical (that is a dot in center of cross-hairs)is the one you want.. About $900 for the scope and what ever for the mounts. That would be the best of both worlds. You can shoot at 1 power both eye's open. It is faster than Irons with old eye's ( You have to send a few round down range to learn to be quick. If you are luckey the rifle will still regulate with the scope. I broke two dangerous game water jugs at last hoot and shoot in 1.5 seconds and was waiting for the second jug to hit the ground to fire my second. The set up is fast The first jug exploded nocking the second off the stand. 500gr woodleighs at 2150 are much to soft for dangerous game water jugs, I am useing solids next time! JD DRSS 9.3X74 tika 512 9.3X74 SXS Merkel 140 in 470 Nitro | |||
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Depends on how much cover. Last week I commented to my mate that I would have preferred open sighted DR or BA Rifle than the 4x Scoped Rifle I had. In all occasions but whacking a small pig from a mob on the run at 90 yards, I would have taken an open sighted gun anytime. I find scopes a hindrance under 100 yards except in the open plains. . | |||
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500N I did also,until I made up my mind to realy work on it. With my 57 year old eyes the 1x -4/ 5 power is the way to go. The stock has got to fit for everything to work. You shoot with both eyes open. The only thing that is faster is to shoot instinctive (looking over the sights)with a rifle that real does fit well, past 10 or so yards accuracy get sloppy. You have to shoot a lot to learn how and to maintain the skill. JD DRSS 9.3X74 tika 512 9.3X74 SXS Merkel 140 in 470 Nitro | |||
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500N not enough paractice with the scope. One who is good with the scope has no trouble getting on or hitting the target. I find it is much easier to hit with awell mounted low power scope then with a peep or iron sites. I also found that even at higher power it can still be fast. It is all in getting the scope mounted on the rifle at the right height and eye relief. Most people mount their scopes too high and with the wrong eye relief. Then they don't paractice enough I have no trouble getting on flushing birds. Once you have it down you'll find that it is fast and very accurate even at close range. Ran many tactical rifle courses with scopes not much differants in time or hits at 1.5 or at 9x. It all in a well fitting rifle and scope combo and lots of shoulder time. | |||
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No problems hitting the targets ! Everything I shot I killed. (On both Buff, one of the bullets went through the heart). It is just speed of aquisition etc - Yes, the 4x Leupy was not the best (I prefer 1.5's BUT I have used that gun before and like it (An old Brno 602 in 375H&H). I am just so much quicker with a DR. Might be getting older, just might have been me this year as opposed to the last 10 years doing the same thing. Anyway, I ended up taking my WR 465 DR for a walk in the light green but didn't connect with any animals - the angry old bull I was hunting didn't like being hunted !!! . | |||
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p dog shooter. I agree re "It is all in getting the scope mounted on the rifle at the right height and eye relief. Most people mount their scopes too high and with the wrong eye relief." All of my guns (that I use regularly) are set up like this (inc the Brno 602). . | |||
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By all means - faster and more accurate than express ones. Under good light condition and on clear target, those can hold out with 4x scope out to 100m (depends on your vision ofcourse). Some don't like them tho and prefer express ones.
It is entirely upon you and the rear sight. If you like the blade and are used to it keep it, however most of rear sights come with elevation adjustments only, therefore you need to take care of horizontal adjustment and I guess the only place to do it is on front sight, so probably some modifications will take place anyway. Pick your front sight upon your vision - smaller/thinner is more accurate. If you'll pick bead - file it.
Ozhunter has dug out my post and you can see I (my gunsmith)'ve done it the custom way. You may find some parts here (I like this one): http://www.skinnersights.com/lo-pro_sight_7.html and more here: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx...Products/Rear_Sights Anyway I'd find someone who knows how to do it first and then proceed upon his/hers ability and ideas on. | |||
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My uncles woodward 450/400 has one made and installed by Woodward (ordered with the rifle.) A two appeture flip sight similar in principal to those fitted 20 years later to the No 4 mk1*. Big Ghost ring was sighted in for 400grn bullets and zeroed at 50 yards - and when flipped over to the small peep- it is sighted in for 300grn bullets at 150 yards. I of course, being a VRB have simply fitted a leupold red dot sight to my Krieghoff...they say it is like mixing Jonny walker Blue label and fanta- but what the heck- it works | |||
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Thanks guys for all the answers. I don't live far from Enid, OK so I will probably drive up there and see what Champlin's has to offer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Didn't someone say that there is a "Slip-in" fine bead sight to replace the front blade? That Skinner looks to be just the ticket!  http://www.skinnersights.com/lo-pro_sight_7.htmlWith a "slip-in" front bead...it would just be a matter of dilling and tapping one hole. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Check NECG: http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/  Night Sight looks great - still you must solve direction adjustment! | |||
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Trying to decide whether to drill and tap in a ghost ring...or...to have a Weaver type base set and use a NECG rear aperature made to go on a Weaver base. Then...I could use a Trijicon red-dot if my eyes get worse. Thoughts??? Especially you Mr. Bradshaw as it will probably be you doing the smithing! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I would say to go with the my folding ghost ring. If you have something that removes so something else can be installed, it may never make it back on the rifle. I can make it so it will lock when up so brush won't effect it. Folds down flush when not needed. ddrhook spoke fondly of a fiber optic front sight with a ghost ring at the show last weekend. Nice and bright. Bailey Bradshaw www.bradshawgunandrifle.com I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin | |||
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Lane, The ones I have seen that are drilled and taped look good and for my old eyes they work (I can see through them ) great to. I was able to have hands on Philips Hyem in Uganda thats what got me hooked on them NO pun intended. | |||
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No! Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Chris at Heym talked me into a Docter red dot on my Heym 450/400. JJ at Champlin will make the very minor cuts to the rib and Heym has a base which is easily installed and removed. The Docter sight is very compact and is a miracle for my older eyes. You will wind up with about $700 in the project but it is very fast and provides a positive sight picture in low light. | |||
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>>>ddrhook spoke fondly of a fiber optic front sight with a ghost ring at the show last weekend. Nice and bright. Bailey Bradshaw<<< Bailey, I think I want the above sight for my front. I just can't get to where I like the fiber optic look. Even tho adding a ghost ring...still want a "traditional look". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Dave, Tell us why. ??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That Lo-Pro from skinner might be absolutely perfect to mount on my Sabatti since the center rib is already drilled for the weaver base that they sent with the rifle. I think it may be worth $40 to experiment. Worst case scenario the sight will end up on of my other rifles. Anybody know if those holes are 6-48 or 8-40? "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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Doc, big bore double are for close in work on large animals. You should be able to put a bullet on the shoulder of an aninmal at 50 meters or less with the open sights. You don't need any gimmicks, especaiily one that might slow down your target acquistion. If you have a double, you need to learn to use the open sights. Being quick on the target with two shots is the principal advantage of a double. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I find a ghost ring faster than open sights. Also more open so the target is more visable. Bailey Bradshaw www.bradshawgunandrifle.com I'm in the gun buildin bidness, and cousin....bidness is a boomin | |||
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I may change my mind about the fiber optic or just the th gun guy to build me what he dam well wants and I'll learn to love it  kinda like an ugly wife you have to learn to love them | |||
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Me too! And my over 45 eyes don't have to focus on the rear sight...just the front bead and target. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Well...I am gonna do it. My eyes just won't let shoot stadard express type sights with and consistency any more. Gonna take my .500 NE to Bailey and have him put on ghost ring peep. I was thinking of a Docter...but I spent some time shooting my Win 71 .348 with its Lyman peep and it works fine for me. Anyone want to talk me out of it before I take it??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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A mate has a doctor on a 9.3, works and looks great. I think it will open up great opportunities for you with the gun. . | |||
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There was a post a while back on a ghost ring on a Merkel. I think the title of the thread was "Seeing ghosts everywhere". Looked pretty interesting. | |||
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IIRC Finn Aagaard is reported(by Craig Boddington who participated)to have run timed trials, optical sights (incl aperatures)vs open sights. EVERYONE is said to have been faster with optical sights. I don't know if Aagaard's results were ever published though. Dean ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, Duke of York | |||
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Dave, You have obviously never used a large aperture ghost ring. It is so much faster and more easily acquired than shallow V express sights that they are not even in the same category. Especially when used with a square post white line front blade. No gimmick here just iron sights that are built for speed. The late great Finn Aggard in conjunction with Ashley Emerson did extensive testing with large aperture ghost rings and have proven that for a fast moving close range target that set up is the fastest iron sight there is. No two ways about it. I've shot both shallow vee and ghost rings extensively in the field and on the range. After you've spent some time behind a ghost ring you'll find a vee sight to be slow and cumbersome. Not to mention that the ghost ring with a proper front white lined square post installed negates all of the issues with poor eye sight making them useable for even the most geriatric sighted big game hunters. | |||
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