How do you hold your doubles when you shoot them..?

I have ended up shooting Elmer Keith style ie a good grip around the barrels in front of the fore-end..seems to give me the most steady grip..

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Yep, I reckon if it was good enough for Elmer Keith, it's good enough for me. My Jeffery has a pretty small splinter fore end so I can hold it that way.

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Originally posted by Pondoro:
How do you hold your doubles when you shoot them..?

I have ended up shooting Elmer Keith style ie a good grip around the barrels in front of the fore-end..seems to give me the most steady grip..

Comments..?

.......and that is the proper way it is done!

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As Mac points out, that is the traditional and "right" way and why splinter fore ends are a must. Works for me.

JPK

Yes, grab those barrels around the fore-end; again, why beavertails should be banned.

Is there another way?

I use my hands.
Cal

Butch handed me a rifle in his shop and I shouldered it with my fingers only on the wood. He told me right then to wrap my fingers around the barrels. I told him that I didn't want to get my dirty fingerprints on the steel and he just laughed at me and told me that that was the correct way.

Most everyone with experience will tell you to get a good grasp of the barrels on a double and I think that was the origin of the splinter forend which in a way makes holding the barrels a natural method. This is especially proper for DG rifles with greater recoil so maintaining composure while shooting and quickly regaining your sight picture is the norm.
That said, most will also tell you that your hold will have an effect to some extent on how your double rifle shoots. I agree to some point, but think that the type of hold is almost negligible as applied to accuracy. Reference the fine H&H video in this thread and see the hold employed when regulating their doubles. By most accounts, this is the WRONG way to shoot a double rifle. http://forums.accuratereloadin...0101804/m/5431037502

My natural hold is not as far forward as some of my taller mates but I do grip the barrels particularly with my thumb.

I am sure many here will not agree with me but the forearm piece or the barrels in front of it on a big bore double or bolt rifle is not something that must be gripped tightly.Similar to when shooting off a bench you don't need to hold anywhere near the front-see 11:26 in the H&H video.Just like a professional who climbs ladders for a living,he can easily climb the ladder without him holding on to everywhere like someone inexperienced.The body muscles have learned the trick(if you know what I am saying).Only someone who is NOT used to shooting offhand grasps way out there in the front.

Your shtick is beyond tiresome.

Don't you find that when someone loses in a discussion they try and change the subject.

Remarkably, Shootaway is, this time, not completely offbase. But he confuses offhand, static target shooting with the dynamic shooting that hunting involves.

I am sure members can conjure up images of Olympic target shooters with shoulders back, hips forward and an elbow planted on their hip with the specially made rifle stock resting on the palm of their hand not far forward of the trigger guard.

But then there are hunting rifles and hunting...

I would suggest you shoot the way you feel is most comfortable.However I am sure you will find that after shouldering the rifle every day for years your body and mind will take over everything and do things without you giving any effort or thought.

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I use my hands.
Cal

Me too ,as for my double gun 16/70 !

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I guess you wanted to move the topic to shooting bolt action rifles from the KNEELING POSITION rather than stick with shooting double rifles offhand, eh?

I grip the barrels. They get hot. I do the Michael Jackson one glove thing. Mine isn't lace.

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I grip the barrels. They get hot. I do the Michael Jackson one glove thing. Mine isn't lace.

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A shooting glove is a handy thing to have in your hip pocket if shooting shotgun, and I sometimes use one in very hot climates with my double rifles as well. In most cases however, a double rifle is usually shot a max of four rounds in a short time span in hunting conditions, and the barrels never get hot enough to worry me enough to use a glove. Those facts are the main reason the beavertail and the use of shooting gloves were invented by competition shotgun shooting where very long strings of shots are the norm. The only place where those longer strings of shots are fired from a double rifle is in range competition, in speed stopping contests, or in a multiple charge where you shoot till the danger stops. In the last case one doesn't worry much about the hot barrels.

With a double rifle I grip the barrels at the front of the forearm wood, and I will not have a beavertail on a shotgun or double rifle.

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Mac, I don't want to start another beavertail vs. splinter deal, but...

What do you think about the typical forearm on a Winchester Model 21. It's obviously larger than a Parker, but smaller than the modern Browning BSS. I actually like mine. Functionally and esthetically.

I've got two of the Parkers and had still others. One of them's a neat little 30 WCF double rifle. I just sort of ignore the forearms on them. And never really liked that feature. The Brownings though, no question what forearms on those.

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Mac, I don't want to start another beavertail vs. splinter deal, but...

What do you think about the typical forearm on a Winchester Model 21. It's obviously larger than a Parker, but smaller than the modern Browning BSS. I actually like mine. Functionally and esthetically.

I've got two of the Parkers and had still others. One of them's a neat little 30 WCF double rifle. I just sort of ignore the forearms on them. And never really liked that feature. The Brownings though, no question what forearms on those.

Shack, in all fairness, the choice of a beavertail fore-end is a matter of choice on a shotgun much like the English straight stock. It is a personal choice for me to have a splinter on my shotguns and they couldn't pay me to use a shotgun with a Brit straight stock.

On a double rifle, especially on a large bore double, it is a matter of which works best for the long run on a rifle with heavy recoil and one that requires the proper muzzle flip to regulated properly, and that depends on how you mount, and hold the rifle for the best results. The beavertail fore-end on shotguns were first invented for shotgun competition where the barrels get hot because of long strings of shots. In my experience the only fat fore-end wood found on a double rifle will also have a anson fore-end latch. On a double rifle that will usually just be thicker top to bottom, rather than wide like the beavertail.

It seems the majority of double rifle people think the best designed double rifles were made by UK makers, and the splinter is the style they build.

I really makes no difference to me how others have their rifles built, but if I bought one with a beavertail fore-end, I would promptly re-shape it to a splinter. That, however is just my preference!

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No wonder you can't shoot a double worth a shit. Do you really hold a double like this you scrawny little pipsqueak?
Cal

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How do you keep your right thumb from breaking your nose?

Shootaway - that was bloody funny.

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How do you keep your right thumb from breaking your nose?

I don't know,my body and mind just take over everything and do the work for me.

Shootaway. You almost have the olympic free rifle grip right... But to get it perfect you should not grip the foreend with your hand. You have to rest the foreend on the middle of your fist reversed with pointing and pinky finger supporting the sides of the foreend. Remember to relax and not to involve any muscles keeping an even tighter bone-to-bone angle. Elbow resting on hip, squeeze the trigger like a rubber band while you slowly exhale and align sights to target. Remeber to keep the posture real tight and 100% relaxed. Hell a .500 or a .22, rifles are rifles right?.. Would be super if you let a mate upload a film of it to show all those amatours how it is done...by real professionals! I would download an save the video for future educational material...

My body and mind will not listen to any advice they only work on real life based experience.

Shootaway, whoever is in those pictures, I think that the LOP is too short. If you have measured it, what is it and what is your height? Butch Searcy has some physical measurements that you can take, that will give some idea of LOP etc.
Peter.

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I don't know,my body and mind just take over everything and do the work for me.

From past posts, and now the photos, there is not much mind nor body to work with.
Cal

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I don't know,my body and mind just take over everything and do the work for me.

But how's the results at the other end?

Oh Wait... I remember...

Dead Eye Dickhead!

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Originally posted by lavaca:
I grip the barrels. They get hot. I do the Michael Jackson one glove thing. Mine isn't lace.

I do the same.

Jens, shooting at that target would be way too much fun. Priceless.

Jens, that is the classic Texas heart shot...

I don't know,my body and mind just take over everything and do the work for me.



GREAT.
If it is okay for you, I use your statement and pictures (of the "correct shooting positing", in witch your mind and your rifle becomes one) for my shooting classes.
As an example.
As an role model.

Sure go ahead.I will one day write a short and simple book on off hand open sight rifle shooting.Maybe Cal can help me get started with it sometime.

BTW you can see by the way I hold my rifle that the forearm wood piece is of little importance to me at least as far as a shooting offhand holding style goes.