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Hi Guys: From some one who owns both maybe.  What rifle/caliber do you think kicks more? Hornady factory fodder 458 Lott 500 grain bullet, 2300 FPS or say a Double Rifle 500 NE 570 grain bullet @ 2100 FPS.What do you guys say... Regards Jim P. The Hunters Hut Firearms Sales & Service PAHunter/ The Head Hunter DRSS,NRA,SCI,NAHC www.huntershut1.com | ||
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I'd agree......assuming both guns fit equally good.....or bad...the Lott will feel a little "sharper"...more abrupt. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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I have shot both at the range same day and my 9lb lott (2250fps) had more felt recoil than my 10.4 lb Heym 500 N.E (2115fps). Weight being equal, I believe the felt recoil would be equal. Yes, the Lott has more recoil velocity but again they would feel about the same because of the straighter comb of the stock of a bolt rifle. Dirk "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Of course one could calculate the recoil energy and velocity so one didn't have to "feel" one way or the other.  A lot of the "felt" recoil has to do with stock design, rifle weight, and fit. I "feel" it would be tough to transfer one guy's feeling of his rifles to another guy's feelings of his own rifles. It is why the 416 Rem and Taylor are kings. High energy, high penetration, and relatively little recoil. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Will you know those recoil charts are about useless, they can give one a vague idea of what to expect but I would bet your 7.5 pound 458 would hurt my recoil feelings for awhile. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Hi Guys: Thanks for the info. My custom AHR 458 Lott weighs in at 12 lbs, has two Mercury tubes in the stock and has a X break on it. It still kicks the hell out of me on the bench. Standing I am fine. If I do get a DR say in 500 NE, I just don't want it to be MORE than my Lott. I believe I am at my threshold. Regards... Jim P. The Hunters Hut Firearms Sales & Service PAHunter/ The Head Hunter DRSS,NRA,SCI,NAHC www.huntershut1.com | |||
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Don't shoot it off of the bench without a lead sled. Will, 416 Rem Mag has relatively little recoil?  | |||
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Before I made up my first 416 Taylor, I went through all the recoil energy and velocity calculations to see how different it might be, and indeed it "feels" the way it was predicted. It also predicts a lot more recoil for a 7.5 lb 458WM than the Taylor because of the greater bullet weight even though they both have the same muzzle energy. And indeed it does! An identical stock as my Taylors should be here soon for the 458 so I can eliminate any other variable. We'll see. But given the chance, you'll see that science trumps feelings every time! ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Hi Will: Check your charts for me please. What is the recoil velocity? is that what I am looking for? The 458 Lott at 12 lbs, muzzle break, 500 grain bullet, 2300 FPS. VS the 500 NE... say 10.5 lb. rifle 500 grain bullet at 2100 FPS... What does the calculated chart say kicks more? Regards... Jim P. PS... I want a copy of your book. The Hunters Hut Firearms Sales & Service PAHunter/ The Head Hunter DRSS,NRA,SCI,NAHC www.huntershut1.com | |||
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A 12 pound Lott with a break should be a real pussycat. A 10.5 pound 500 will have more recoil. My 500 Nitro weighs just over 11 lbs and is no problem to shoot. | |||
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You have reached a point of deminishing returns as the both leave me numb from the neck to my waist....Like Will I think I will just keep on loving my .416s and 404s, guess we're just old sissys!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Hi Guys: SWD: My 458 win Mag Ruger 77 is a pussycat no break factory 450 grain SAR. My 416 Rem Mag 400 grain bullet at 2475 fps is a pussycat and my 375 is sweeter yet, Model 70 270 grain SAR at 2600 FPS... My 458 Lott is no PUSSYCAT, it is a ass kicking fire breathing dragon. LOL Ray... you old pussy, what you need is a 600 OK to straighten out those old brittle bones, and stop pissing on your feet... LOL Regards.... Jim P. The Hunters Hut Firearms Sales & Service PAHunter/ The Head Hunter DRSS,NRA,SCI,NAHC www.huntershut1.com | |||
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All you need to do is go here: http://huntamerica.com/recoil_calculator/ ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Hi Will: Thanks, did it... 458 Lott 56 energy ft Lbs... 500 NE 53 energy ft lbs.. science says.. they are basically the same in recoil ft lbs. Thanks.. The Hunters Hut Firearms Sales & Service PAHunter/ The Head Hunter DRSS,NRA,SCI,NAHC www.huntershut1.com | |||
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From experience with both, a 9 1/4 lb Lott with 500 grain bullets at 2300 ft/sec will feel quite a bit sharper than a 10 1/2 500 nitro with 570 grain bullets at 2150 ft/sec. Its not even close. | |||
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Rifle specific, but of the ones I've shot - da Lott. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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I've never shot a 500NE that even came CLOSE to fitting me, so they beat the snot out of me. the lott in an RSM is pretty nice to shoot jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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