Yeah...I know ...it does look cleaner without the moustaches. Not to mention easier to finish.

Keith, I am going to try to make it to the Houston shoot. I don't have a big bore, but will bring my 7x57R single and of course the 22 action.

BB, burn the mid-night oil and finish it. Should be a real kick in the pants(hahahaha).

Keith

Here are a few pics with the triggers installed and the monoblock fresh of the mill. I took one shot with the action in hand to show the size. I have large paws, but not huge by any means.

Also shows the double underbites and the forend hanger. This will essentialy free float the barrels from the forend.

Awesome, Bailey! Thanks for letting us see your progress!

Bailey: For some unknown reason I am unable to view the pics posted here on this site. I have tried to ask the webmaster several times to assist and never heard from them. I tried cleaning up the cookies and all other things that would bog this down. I am hoping you or some one on this board can help me get to view them and begin to enjoy this site. I have never been able to open them or view them. Thanks in advance. Robert Studen..Long Island New York Member aka" Rojovin.

Wow, what are you doing working on guns this close to Blade? Looks nice, are you going to bring it?

WOW....nice work!

Smoked in the monoblock this morning. It's a dirty, time consuming and ultra satisfying process.

PepeLp,

I have Blade show knives underway too. Just can't help myself at times :-)

Robert,

You might look into the filters on your browser settings. All of my pictures are hosted on Photobucket and linked intot he threads. If your browser doesn't allow this, they won't show for you.

I'm curious if the action you are making is a designated rimfire action, or will it be for shotgun/centerfire as well? The reason I ask is because the location and style of the firing pin would be different. A rimfire striking off center of the bore, with a squared off pin, versus a shotgun/centerfire pin that would be rounded and centered to the bore? I'm also curious how you align the barrels. Keep the parallel, or set them for the same impact point at a certain range. Also, do you weld the barrels in place, or just soldier?

Please make it around 10.5 lbs as I am recoil sensitive.

Will a mercury recoil reducer be an option?

quote:

Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
I have been working on designing a rimfire double rifle to go into production in late 09. I am VERY close to machining prototype parts and need to hear opinions from potential customers regarding barrel length for rimfires....primarily 22lr.

From what I have read, anything over 16" offers no benefit for velocity. That being said, 16" tubes don't look "right" on a double rifle. I am leaning towards using 20" barrels. Possibly 18"??

As a side note to "introduce" the gun. The action is sized the same as a 28ga, round action of Dickson/ McKay Brown influence with removable trigger group, double Purdey underbites and a few unique touches of my own.


Please let me hear your opinions on the barrel length!!

Thanks!!

Cool! 22"!

quote:

Please make it around 10.5 lbs as I am recoil sensitive.

Will a mercury recoil reducer be an option?

SB45,
Oh come on, now! You know it is going to be too heavy for it's caliber!

SB45,

Just for you, I will chisel out a cavity in the stock and cast a hunk of lead in it. Of course you need balance, so I can do the same thing on the forend :-)


Scott,

The firing pins will be threaded capsules. I am brainstorming the idea of making the firing pin with an adjustment to go from rimfire to centerfire, but I am not sure if I can pull that off. The barrels will be threaded into the monoblock, with a soldered on quarter rib. They will have a front sight block with regulating adjustment. The first run of rifles will all be rimfire, but centerfires are in the plan.

quote:

Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
The first run of rifles will all be rimfire.......

If you need anyone testers for these prototypes, you just let me know! I won't even charge for my services!

Well, in regards to the firing pin switching from rimfire to centerfire.....I have figured it out. Best of all, it will be easy and fast to switch from one to the other. Will spend the weekend proving the design and next week contacting a pattent attorney

quote:

Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
Jamie,

Thanks, glad you like it so far. I'm doing my best to keep the base price around 5,000.

Hey Rusty!!

Too rich for my blood.

You may want to check the ballance of your gun when you make the prototype. I have an Encore with 22lr barrel, it is a little nose heavy with a 16.25 inch barrel (but still my favorite 22lr). I think your double barrel will be very heavy with 22-28 inch barrels.

This is just an opinion but I think you'll find that long 22 barrels on such a small receiver will lead to a barrel heavy balance. A little of this is fine and may help the hold for aiming but you don't want the barrels to overwhelm the overall balance, both esthetic and actual. Given that maximum velocity in a .22 LR is achieved in about 18 inch barrels. meaning barrel length doesn't help in that regard as it would in a centerfire, on the prototype, I'd start with say, 24s and see how they feel/look. If they don't suit I'd whack off a bit and try again......

I agree with you that the gun needs to be balanced, and I assure you it will be balanced properly for a rifle.

The barrels will have a quarter rib of course, but not the full length of the barrels. The degree of taper of the barrels along with the thickness of the contour overall can be manipulated to help balance the longer barrels.

There will be a happy medium where both asthetics and balance are achieved. There always is.....and I will find it.

I think I have a cad program that will calculate the weight of objects in a given material. That will certainly help.

Bailey
The thing that worries me about your build is that it is a rim fire. You will be the subject to what ammo is available, Different lots of of the same brand often shoot quite different ( one lot of cci standard will shoot quite different in a bolt gun than the next lot. That is the same with all makes. With a double gun it will even be more complicated ) I hope you will make your barrel set adjustable for regulation.

For a plinking gun I would like a 22 hornet or a 357 mag.

JD

Just my opine. . .
It ought to be regulated for a standard 22 Long Rifle round such as Winchester Wildcat, Remington, or CCI. It should be regulated with 40 grain solid bullets.

And I don't care how much it weighs! I just want one of Bailey's doubles!

Bailey,

Just a thought here, but suggest you consider putting a folding top lever peep sight on the top lever screw of this double. Many of those interested are in or close to the visually challenged age and a top lever peep will keep them able to use iron sights. (You look through the peep, ensure that the bead is down in the vee of the back sight and are astonished that things are in focus as in the days of younger eyes.)

This would add a few hundred dollars at most to the cost of the double, but multiply the joy of using it.

Here's a pix of one that JJ Perodeau added to my .303 Brit.

Regards,
Tim

So I have a pretty close prediction on the barrel weight. Looks like they will weigh in at just over 3lbs together. The action weighs 1lbs 12 oz. So with the barrels, action, ribs and front sight base/regulation block, we are looking at 5lbs.

I calculated the barrel weight at an average diameter of .6" at 24" length. I think they will come in lighter than my calculation, but I like to err of the sid eof caution.

Either way, we are looking at a 7lbs rifle at the upper end.

Just ran across this:




$26,500 and up ......

I can see it now, aline of coon hunters, each with 30k to get one.

Keith

Taking nothing away from CSMC's little rifle, as it is definately an exceptionaly made piece. I handled one that was in the white at the DSC show. It's a little small and feels a little toy like for me.

All in all, I am after a different market based solely on my price point. At $26500, you could own 4 of mine and pay for a hunt for you and your three friends to use them ( CONUS vermin only) :-)

I really think keeping the rifles affordable to a larger demographic is the only way I will have suucess with this venture. ...That and my FFL......which is in process......

Bailey,
Great project. Here is a link to a 22lr/410 2 barrel set you might find interesting.
http://www.drake.net/wilkins410twobblset
I have handled this gun and it was very well done. Made back around 1992 give or take a year.

Michael J

Not greatly impressed by the Drake offering. No bushed strikers at that price and rifle barrels are too long...

Regards

Bailey-


I've been following this since it was outed on NE
If I didn't say it then, note this now -- I want in on your contact list for when this thing starts rolling to production.

The price point you note is actually within my reach, and if this venture works out for you I'll be looking at another period of culling and resourcefulness to fund the effort.

Sign me up.



Cheers
Tinker

I've been doing a little work here and there. Got my prototype barrels in, as unturned blanks, and set about machining one of them to the contour I want. It's totaly unrealistic for me to turn the barrels on my mill as it is a little small and it's basicly a waste of time. I just wanted to make sure the finished size was OK. I could only get 22.5" barrels with this method, but I am looking at 24" for the production rifles. Based on the weight of the barrel I have turned to size, the rifle will weigh 6 lbs..The barrels will be threaded into the monoblock.

BTW, had my ATF inspection last week and it went very well. Providing our zoning is as I stated ( which I am 99% sure it is), I should have my lisence by mid August.

OK, enough dialog, here are a few pics.

What a beauty! Very nice Bailey!

Bailey, it's great to see your project progress I'm very interested on getting in line for one of these little jewels. Are you going to have a straight stock thus again keeping price down? I'm Lt. handed and of course like to know some of the stock options that might be available.

quote:

Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
Been doing a little more work on this. I assembled the lockwork and have the trigger group fitted.

Jeez that looks nice. If Freda hits the lottery, I want one...

Mr. Bradshaw,
I am most impressed and would also like to be added to the list.

Please add me to your prospect list. I have a couple of your knives, so I know your standards, and look forward to an opportunity to buy a rifle. The prototype is coming along very nicely!

Thanks Terry,

Which knives of mine do you own? Will certainly add you name to my list of prospective double duce afficiandos :-)

Please put me on the list as well, Bailey. That is beauty!

The one that is close at hand is a San Francisco style bowie with high polish on the three pin bone handle, and just a fine line of scroll engraving on the spacer (prox 1/8" wide) at the hilt. Blade is 6".

I have specialized in the SF bowie for the past few years, so they are the only knives "on display" in my gun room. I have about 30, ranging from the antiques to contemporary makers.

Bailey: You are a wonderful machinist, and you have an ever better eye for line and aesthetics. Thanks for letting us watch your project unfold. Godspeed to you.

quote:

Originally posted by El Deguello:

quote:

Originally posted by Bailey Bradshaw:
I have been working on designing a rimfire double rifle to go into production in late 09. I am VERY close to machining prototype parts and need to hear opinions from potential customers regarding barrel length for rimfires....primarily 22lr.

From what I have read, anything over 16" offers no benefit for velocity. That being said, 16" tubes don't look "right" on a double rifle. I am leaning towards using 20" barrels. Possibly 18"??

As a side note to "introduce" the gun. The action is sized the same as a 28ga, round action of Dickson/ McKay Brown influence with removable trigger group, double Purdey underbites and a few unique touches of my own.


Please let me hear your opinions on the barrel length!!

Thanks!!

Cool! 22"!

Hallo friend! Would you allow me to correct your German? "Bitte nicht das Wasser trinken. Da haben die Kuehe reingeschissen"
PS: I hope you'll correct my English as well...

I want in on whatever list of people you call when you are ready to start selling these......