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Gents: Here is a new purchase I made a week ago--Jack Lott's .500 NE Watson Bros. double rifle. Now, I have a favor to ask of you: Can you help me locate any old articles of Lott that mention the .500 Watson and/or have a photo of Jack and the rifle? Cheers, and thanks for looking. Cal        _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | ||
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Cal, congrats! Paul Smith SCI Life Member NRA Life Member DSC Member Life Member of the "I Can't Wait to Get Back to Africa" Club DRSS I had the privilege to fire E. Hemingway's WR .577NE, E. Keith's WR .470NE, & F. Jamieson's WJJ .500 Jeffery I strongly recommend avoidance of "The Zambezi Safari & Travel Co., Ltd." and "Pisces Sportfishing-Cabo San Lucas" "A failed policy of national defense is its own punishment" Otto von Bismarck | |||
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Beautiful rifle Cal! I can't wait to shoot it! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Gents: Sights are 100-200-400 yards Non ejector 24-inch barrels Excellent bores File cut quarter rib Side clips Tight on the face Non automatic safety (I will change this to auto) Silver's pad (hard as a rock!) 100% engraving Weight is about 11 3/4 pounds (my scale may be off a bit). Enjoy, Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Cal, Congrats on the purchase, very nice indeed! Nick | |||
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Nice to look at but it is like garbage to me.Cal you are kinda like a garbage collector. | |||
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There you go again. Shocking.  | |||
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Do you have any progeny that lives? if not please do humanity a favor and cut your nuts off, we have enough assholes already. Cal: Beautiful find sir and a very interesting letter. I particularly liked the last sentence at the bottom....  USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Cool rifle! | |||
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Hell of a good looking rifle for sure. | |||
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Cal, Nice grab. I may have some old articles by and about Jack Lott. I'll check and PM you if I find something useful. Regards, Hollis | |||
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nice addition to your collection. I know where Pondoro's Wilkes live today. That is a neat one too! Bet the .500 is a ton of fun. | |||
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Shootaway You really take the cake with your comments. You wouldn't recognise a good gun if you saw one. And FYI, I have an identical Watson Bros 500 Nitro gun to Cals. Previously 500N with many thousands of posts ! | |||
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Awesome rifle, Cal! | |||
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Shootaway, what is the problem you seem to have with everyone! Son there is something seriously wrong in your skull. IMO, people like you shouldn't be allowed to be within 100 yards of a firearm, much less be in the company of a hunting party, carrying a rifle. Even the most ignorant person where firearms are concerned can easily see the excellence displayed in that Watson double rifle, not to mention the provenance supplied by being owned by a very well known figure in the firearms field. Son you need some help!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Larry: You and I should start a club for like-minded folks. You can be president of the folks that can't hunt and I the folks with shitty rifles. Seriously, I can't figure this guy out but I do hope to meet you someday. You seem like a fine gent. Your .500 brass will be well used here! Cal Mac, Hollis, and everyone: Thanks! _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Cal!. Please send your garbage across the pond..i`LL pay the shipping ofcouse... Oh well Shitaway is shitaway.. DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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Cal, what a great old rifle. Beautiful in every respect, possessing detail not typically seen in current offerings. One question for you however. Why would you convert the non-automatic safety to automatic. This seems counter to the intent of a dangerous game rifle? I know you already know this but shootaway isn't worthy of a seconds' thought. Both he and Trax are simple wastes of bandwidth and quite honestly, even though this site is known for a lack of moderation and censorship, I don't know why either of their presences is tolerated at this point. Again, it's a beautiful rifle! | |||
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What a farggin' moron. Why would you ever say something like that? What could you possibly gain by it? Mr. Pappas has never been anything but a gentleman on this forum. You have no class whatsoever. Many people here have tried to be kind to you, most I imagine feel sorry for you, and are trying to help you in your complete lack of people skills and just plain old general idiocy. George- You have absolutely NO redeeming qualities, you are a pitiful excuse for a human, and no kind of a man. While I am pro-life, if abortions could be retroactive I would sign your Mother up RIGHT NOW! Turd! . | |||
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That rifle is wonderful, a keeper for sure. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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Todd: Good day and a simple answer. Every one of my doubles (excepting, of course, exposed hammer Jones under lever rifles) have had an auto safety. It is now habit that when shouldering the rifle I slide the safe to off. Since it is the only thing I've ever done, when a non auto safety is in my hands, I forget to put the safety on as it is not a learned reflex. It's just the way I learned 20+ years ago. Cheers, mate. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Cal: Another question. Why do you think they have a 400 yard rear sight? Seems odd for a 500 NE. Love the rifle. | |||
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Great find on a gorgeous double. Congrats. | |||
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Hi Cal, Great piece. I as well am a fan of auto safeties. I was raised using SxS shotguns for dove and quail out in the Arizona deserts. Most or all of them were auto. My reasons are the same as Cal's. I slide the safety off as I raise the rifle. And George, I, went out of my way on several threads to defend you, I even "went to the wall" with a couple members here. At this time I must agree with the majority.  Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Todd this is one place where Cal and I disagree, but I can see why he does want to change it to match all his other double rifles. for the reason he states. His muscle memory is conditioned to a auto safety. I on the other hand have doubles fitted both ways, and seem to make the mistake on the auto safety, forgetting it on a fast reload and trying to fire shot three with the safety ON! Most double rifles that are chambered for dangerous game cartridges, are fitted with manual safeties unless requested by the buyer! ................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Beautiful rifle Cal! The best DR DG cal ever....500NE!!! Congrats! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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What a nice double this is Cal.....lovey engraving too...congrats.. Shootaway....you should be denied acces to a computer, I sincerely hope Saeed bans you soon...he is far to kind.. | |||
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I have never been a fan of banning folks, but I think in this case I must agree, George adds ZERO and causes nothing but angst. I now feel duped for defending him. If he added content and occasionally acted up I could understand. But to act with a complete lack of respect for two Gent's I personally know and would vouch for? He is just trouble. Regards, Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Carl ,congratulations this isn only a beautifull rifle ,this is PIECE OF HISTORY .Pondoro lead the way in African hunting ,and JACK LOTT was one of the greatest experts on DGR THAT EVER LIVED and a true adventurer ,lived a great life than many dreams but never did . Juan www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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Banned?????? Maybe I should leave.I have no friends here because everyone here is a loser and I dont like losers.You people make me not want to go hunting. | |||
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Larry all that is needed is to fire one shot from both barrels from a solid rest at a target a measured 400 yds, then 400 mtrs to see if one or both barrels will stay on a 1 foot diameter target. Many of the old double rifles had to o double duty, and some had one or both barrels targeted at very long range! It has often been printed in gun magazines that the multiple flip-ups on double rifles are simply gilding the lily, and are simply for decoration. Over the years I have found this to not be the case. This fallacy is simply because of the mistaken idea that all double rifles are regulated to cross at the distance on the standing rear sight, and that has been proven to not be the case either. I agree that it is rare on a 500NE double but it is not beyond it's capability if the shooter knows his rifle well and can judge range. If the rifle was mine I would set up a 4X8 sheet of plywood, with the aiming point being a line right down the middle of the board and hold on the top of the plywood at 400 yds, and standing rear sight (100 yd) fore one shot from each barrel, then flip up the next 200 yd sight and hold the same place fire one shot form each barrel, then the 400 yd sight holt the same place again and fire one shot from each barrel. This will establish the drop for each sight at 400 yds. And will also tell you if the 400 yd sight is a working sight. I'll bet the 400 yd sight will hit very close to the top of that target, with the 200 yd sight hitting lower, and the 100 hitting way low. Now, place w 4 foot square target at 400 yds and fire two well rested shots at it with the 400 yd sight up, holding on the top 1/4 of the target centered on a vertical ling trough the target center fire one shot from each barrel. and you will know exactly where to hold on a wounded buffalo that is fast leaving the country! .......................................................  ........400yds  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Don't let the door knob hit you in the ass on your way out. George, you bring all of this on yourself. | |||
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Mac: I love my 500 NE. I can't imagine me shooting it at 400 yards though. | |||
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Hey Cal, awesome score!! Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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I also doubt I would shoot at an unwounded animal at over two hundred yds with a big bore double either, but I simply like to know what my rifle will do over the sights fitted on it! I had an Army & Navy 450/400NE 3" double that I could hit a 300 yd one foot dia gong with every shot off a good rest. I killed a very nice 8 point Mule deer a a little over 180 yds with one shot from the right barrel using the 150yd flip up. So I guess it pays to know if the sights work or not. ......................I don't have a 500NE today, but that is my favorite big bore double, and Like Todd I finds after you pass the 500NE 3" the gain in effectiveness is less than the gain of the 500NE over the smaller chamberings! ..................................................................good hunting! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Cal, I'm jealous. Great looking rifle. Great provenance. Schizoidaway, I have reserved you a suite at 5300 Arsenal in St. Louis. They're waiting for you there, son. Don't be late. Dutch | |||
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Cal, Understood. Muscle memory is a hard thing to overcome. I just learned it a different way. But to be honest, I have a little Arietta SxS 28ga that has the auto safety and I can't remember ever attempting to fire it without first taking the safety off. In fact, it took me half a day on the sporting clays range to figure out that it HAS an auto safety. Stick with what you already know type of thing! | |||
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Don't like auto safety's, I have them disconnected. Previously 500N with many thousands of posts ! | |||
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I don't like them either Nigel, but if that's what Cal is familiar with, I understand sticking to what you know. However, with it being non-auto now, he isn't likely to get into trouble with it in a gun fight because it will already be in the off position after each reload. Going the other way would be a different story, ie having it be auto but not accustomed to switching it off each time you raise the rifle. Anyway, it's a damn fine rifle and in the absolute best chambering! 500NE ... the best of all worlds in a heavy double gun. | |||
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