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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
It makes little difference what you pay for a double rifle today because when Biden and his vice get their gun crusher making scrap iron out of them! Their target is the abolishment of the second amendment to the constitution of the USA. That means all firearms will be illegal and confiscated. Then the only people who will have guns will be criminals.
Even if they pay people for their firearms being confiscated, does anyone here expect to be paid what you payed for a new double rifle, or even a Saturday night special junk pistol?

Gentlemen I will cut mine up with a cutting torch before I will let the gov take them.

........................ :thumbs down: MacD37

From experience in a country without any guarantee of gun ownership, Mac, where there was a real attack on shooters' rights after the Port Arthur massacre, I'd say you might be getting a little over-excited.

We can still have repeaters and double guns and rifles here and 'automatic' pistols, too. It does worry me, though, that American friends of mine who would once not allow a gun of any kind in their house now feel the need to have their own ARs.

[While I don't know what surrender compensation you see for guns over there, I know some guys here did ok from tarting up old self-loaders, getting the near-new price.]

Compensation??? I don't want compensation, I want to keep my firearms, but the new group wants to get rid of the second amendment to our constitution, ( THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS SHALE NOT BE ENFRENGED ) Armed we are citizens, disarmed we will become slaves to the government and at the mercy of criminals who do not abide by the law.
............................... MacD37

Mac, do you really think that brain dead Biden, who accomplished nothing in four decades in office, will be able to get anything done in 4 years as president??? To quote that old fool "C'mon man!"

Really, even effective presidents can't get much done in the way of gun control.

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Mac, do you really think that brain dead Biden, who accomplished nothing in four decades in office, will be able to get anything done in 4 years as president??? To quote that old fool "C'mon man!"

Really, even effective presidents can't get much done in the way of gun control.

The make up of Congress is a lot more leftist now though.

A lot rides on the Senate races in Georgia... just sayin'.

ALSO.... THE NRA IS NO 900LB GORILLA WITH THE NY LAWSUIT GOING AND WAYNE LAPIERRE FULLY DISTRACTED DEFENDING HIS OWN SKIN.... NOT TENDING NRA??

This is a serious weakness!!

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
It makes little difference what you pay for a double rifle today because when Biden and his vice get their gun crusher making scrap iron out of them! Their target is the abolishment of the second amendment to the constitution of the USA. That means all firearms will be illegal and confiscated. Then the only people who will have guns will be criminals.
Even if they pay people for their firearms being confiscated, does anyone here expect to be paid what you payed for a new double rifle, or even a Saturday night special junk pistol?

Gentlemen I will cut mine up with a cutting torch before I will let the gov take them.

........................ :thumbs down: MacD37

From experience in a country without any guarantee of gun ownership, Mac, where there was a real attack on shooters' rights after the Port Arthur massacre, I'd say you might be getting a little over-excited.

We can still have repeaters and double guns and rifles here and 'automatic' pistols, too. It does worry me, though, that American friends of mine who would once not allow a gun of any kind in their house now feel the need to have their own ARs.

[While I don't know what surrender compensation you see for guns over there, I know some guys here did ok from tarting up old self-loaders, getting the near-new price.]

Compensation??? I don't want compensation, I want to keep my firearms, but the new group wants to get rid of the second amendment to our constitution, ( THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS SHALE NOT BE ENFRENGED ) Armed we are citizens, disarmed we will become slaves to the government and at the mercy of criminals who do not abide by the law.
............................... MacD37

Mac, do you really think that brain dead Biden, who accomplished nothing in four decades in office, will be able to get anything done in 4 years as president??? To quote that old fool "C'mon man!"

Really, even effective presidents can't get much done in the way of gun control.

Mr. Brown,

With all do respect the worm is turning in our education systems and in our court system. The media is their voice.

Sadly, I'm not optimistic about our republic.

Sadly, Anchorage and the unelected acting mayor and a very socialist assembly are using COVID to quickly destroy the economy of the Municipality that holds almost half the population of the State.

We now have our Hockey Arena housing vagrant/homeless. They put quonset huts up in the parking lot. They are rapidly growing the vagrant/homeless industrial complex and we will be Portland/Seattle sooner than you think.

Joyce and I left Pennsylvania in 1984 looking for somewhere that wouldn't outgrow us in our lifetime. Alaska certainly looked like the spot when we first visited in 1989 and moved here permanently in 1992.

Beginning to look like we failed in that endeavor.

Sadly
Jim

The world is changing, not for the better. On the original subject, I doubt the I will break even when sold. I'm not to bothered by that because I bought for enjoyment. I had a choice in life, guns or golf, guns won.

Dave

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Sadly, Anchorage and the unelected acting mayor and a very socialist assembly are using COVID to quickly destroy the economy of the Municipality that holds almost half the population of the State.

We now have our Hockey Arena housing vagrant/homeless. They put quonset huts up in the parking lot. They are rapidly growing the vagrant/homeless industrial complex and we will be Portland/Seattle sooner than you think.

Jim: You're so right. Our youngest daughter, husband and four boys live in Eagle River. Everytime I have visited and stayed in Alaska and gone into Anchorage I can't believe how much that it has reminded me of the earlier days of Seattle, where I attended law school. The attitudes, policies and direction of the government officials seem to closely mirror those of the lower 48's Pacific Northwest. It's as if an unseen liberal political virus found its way onto the Delta flight from Seattle to Anchorage.

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Sadly, Anchorage and the unelected acting mayor and a very socialist assembly are using COVID to quickly destroy the economy of the Municipality that holds almost half the population of the State.

We now have our Hockey Arena housing vagrant/homeless. They put quonset huts up in the parking lot. They are rapidly growing the vagrant/homeless industrial complex and we will be Portland/Seattle sooner than you think.

Jim: You're so right. Our youngest daughter, husband and four boys live in Eagle River. Everytime I have visited and stayed in Alaska and gone into Anchorage I can't believe how much that it has reminded me of the earlier days of Seattle, where I attended law school. The attitudes, policies and direction of the government officials seem to closely mirror those of the lower 48's Pacific Northwest. It's as if an unseen liberal political virus found its way onto the Delta flight from Seattle to Anchorage.

Actually the flight was from California. Our unelected acting mayor is from CA. 7 of nine assembly members are either extreme left or socialist.

The two assembly people that have our backs are from Eagle River. Jamie Allard is a rock star.

I will be speaking at the assembly meeting tomorrow night again. It's all I can do at present.

If you fast forward to 34:00 on this clip you will see my thoughts presented two weeks ago.

https://youtu.be/oT4YQjBSzFQ

To the OP, sorry for derailing your thread.

We lived in Eagle River from 1987 till 2013. Fantastic place to live and raise our son who was born in Alaska. Like most people who leave Alaska we often had regrets of moving out. Our son usually goes back every summer to sport fish and he told us we made the right choice. He said Anchorage has changed drastically in the last few years and not for the better. He even went as far as telling us not to regret the move out.
Its sad to see how far Anchorage has deteriorated. I probably get questions about moving to TN once a week from our Alaska friends who still live there.

We still have thoughts of traveling back for 2 months in the summer to enjoy the fishing. But if we do, we will reside on the Kenai.

I think I have some insight into the double rifle prices, it follows the Safari biz and Safari prices. Safari prices have gotten higher than a cats back, but nobodys going except a wealthy few and even those are shy because of covid 19 and its problems, such as quarentein, so double rifles are going down and down, for the most part they only fit in Africa anyway and when times are good, those middle class folks that didn,t buy a new car or house ever year saved their money and hunted could afford a safari every year or so will return IMO and they were the bread and butter of the safari business as a matter of fact..It was easy to fill a concession to the gills with those $6500 hunts, and then add to that two or three $30,000 21 day safaris..

Just yesterday I picked up an old hunting magazine, Man Magnum? and was reading about the old timers that used the 375s all but exclusively, and they were many and read like the haul of fame. Harry Manners, John Taylor, Gregor Woods, Brian Marsh and a host of others were referred to..August 1996, not all that long ago.

Low and behold I noticed a rather small add that read, Atkinson Hunting Adventures, Zimbabwe or Tanzania 10 day 2 bufflo hunts with 5 head of big game, includes trophy fees, etc, the works, $6500.00, and I owned "Sweet Thang" my 450-400 Jefferys double and as I recall, I paid $6500 for that gun, and 3 years later sold it for $10,00, and it shot 4 shoots into 1.5 inches, right left, right left and was in great shape OAL...That was the story on every double rifle I own. I kept it until the price I paid doubled and sold them.. Im bett'n history will repeat itself, Lots of the African clan still like the two shooter wood and blue and Mausers all decked out, they are just waiting in the shadows. The guns had nostalgia and brought back memorys from days gone by and the old hunters and their guns that walked the same trail that they were on for that 10 or 21 days..never discount nostalgia when it comes to hunting Africa, to do so is an injustice to yourself, and I pity those that do.

Moral to this story, when the covid 19 passes, Safaris come back, Africas indigenous come to thier sinces and allow the safari prices to get real, by inducing trade by comming down on their high pricing, then and only then will the double again and make a comeback. Maybe now is the time to buy, not whine?? Just another approach to the existing problem.

Well a nice Westley Richards boxlock, ejector"375 Flanged Nitro Express" just closed at $8600+ fee of 15%.... Lincous Auction, PA!! Now that said, barrels are marked 56gr Cordite 300gr MAX... that says Flanged Mag to me.... but I think this is a rebore from the 2.5" Express ?? They measured the case length in chamber for me at 3".
I didn't bid because of the potential of a rechamber... not recommended by most gunsmiths.
Another price point following the real price of British Doubles!!

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by sambarman338:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
It makes little difference what you pay for a double rifle today because when Biden and his vice get their gun crusher making scrap iron out of them! Their target is the abolishment of the second amendment to the constitution of the USA. That means all firearms will be illegal and confiscated. Then the only people who will have guns will be criminals.
Even if they pay people for their firearms being confiscated, does anyone here expect to be paid what you payed for a new double rifle, or even a Saturday night special junk pistol?

Gentlemen I will cut mine up with a cutting torch before I will let the gov take them.

........................ :thumbs down: MacD37

From experience in a country without any guarantee of gun ownership, Mac, where there was a real attack on shooters' rights after the Port Arthur massacre, I'd say you might be getting a little over-excited.

We can still have repeaters and double guns and rifles here and 'automatic' pistols, too. It does worry me, though, that American friends of mine who would once not allow a gun of any kind in their house now feel the need to have their own ARs.

[While I don't know what surrender compensation you see for guns over there, I know some guys here did ok from tarting up old self-loaders, getting the near-new price.]

Compensation??? I don't want compensation, I want to keep my firearms, but the new group wants to get rid of the second amendment to our constitution, ( THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS SHALE NOT BE ENFRENGED ) Armed we are citizens, disarmed we will become slaves to the government and at the mercy of criminals who do not abide by the law.
............................... MacD37

Serf or Citizen?

One owns firearms, one doesn't!

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Mac, stick to being a double rifle expert. I imagine it will be like the Obama years. Record high gun and ammo sales and never once did Obama come for our guns.

Oh, I would like to own a DR some day.

Obama and both houses then versus Biden and both houses today are not the same.

Obama's more extreme initiatives were tempered by some Republican control. Biden does not have the same tempering influence in Congress today and, there is a much different contingent in Democratic ranks when you consider AOC and others from then "freshman" squad.

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Originally posted by JBrown:


Mac, do you really think that brain dead Biden, who accomplished nothing in four decades in office, will be able to get anything done in 4 years as president??? To quote that old fool "C'mon man!"

Really, even effective presidents can't get much done in the way of gun control.

The make up of Congress is a lot more leftist now though.

EXACTLY!

Look at the make up of Congress today versus during the Obama administration. With a somewhat balanced legislative branch, Obama was limited in his ability to fulfill the more extreme liberal campaign promises.

With the Democratic freshman squad and outright hostility towards previously mainstream groups and policies, I'm concerned the Biden administration will implement policies that will fundamentally alter our society in wide-ranging ways including more extreme intolerance to views that don't agree with the far left delusions of the "WOKE" who refuse to let people even speak in many cases.

Now add BIG TECH banning speech and people that don't agree with a delusional eutopia and you end up with situations similar to what we see in China and former Soviet satellite states.

Those who did not learn their history lesson, or learned a distorted history promoted by a delusional WOKE person or group, is destined to prove very similar lessons are still true in modern society today.

How do I learn about these double rifle auctions or other good places to shop?

While I really like my French beauties, it might be a good time to try a new girl from the other side of the channel, though a Frauline might be a nice change too!

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My 2 cents .....

In Europe double prices are holding up new and used with Heyms, Krieghoffs, Merkels et cetera all getting good prices and selling. Both big bore and mediums. As an example eGun recently saw a Merkel 500 sell well over the asking of EUR 12.000,-. The 7 mm 8 mm and 9 mm calibers are also selling well and often seen on driven hunts.

Where I see a dark cloud on the horizon is classic shotguns. When lead is banned (and it will be sooner rather than later, just look at Denmark) then there will be thousands and thousands of old and classic shotguns that will be obsolete as hunting / shooting weapons in Europe. Watch what happens to the prices of classic shotguns then !

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I use an old Rigby 12bore. That thing eats it all. We can buy cartridges that are made for vintage shotguns.
I bought my Rigby from Wayne Hurt for £3800 back then and the gun is stout and solid. Made in 1903 it will from today work my lifetime out.

UK is lad free in 5 years time and we have 65mm steel 4 for Pheasant hunting produced already

to top it off, the NRA is under the gun for violation of Federal law, apparantly they have been misspending our hard earned money..Liveing the good life on our buck...Just another "organization" by a bunch of thugs..It appears the Mafia is the cleanest organization in Washington these days..

BISMUTH is working just fine where we can't use lead. It is more expensive!!

It is a good thing when a small rifle builder can offer a special, on a high quality double from time to time and give a chance to people who can less afford to buy one.Searcy comes to mind.

My focus is ONLY BRITISH DOUBLES!!

The Continental doubles and a few US build doubles serve as entry level and introductory pieces to start your motor for all fine doubles.

Frankly, I am also very keen on fine Austrian doubles with their exquisite deep chisel engraving and artistry... generally great prices too!!

CheerZ,

Interesting price point...

One of the major gun retailers has had a very nice H&H ROYAL, 375EX 2.5".... $20,000!!

When was the last time you saw a H&H ROYAL at that kind of price??

I just had a well known UK Gunmaker offer me "a deal" on a H&H ROYAL 375FlMag, reinforced frame, 1927-30 vintage, #2 of a pair at UKP 28,000. Probably is in UK if you have the currency??

If one was to import that, the exchange is 30%, so puts it at $40k.... then shipping, insurance, import brokerage (and maybe an ugly stamp??), and 10% duty and 3% FedExcise... that puts at $50k.... that's probably well over the US Market.... with several pre-war Royals selling in high$30s to mid-$40s....??

Interesting times!!

CheerZ,

I am afraid with safaris almost shutdown due to the pandemic, an Administration that will probably reverse any tiny gains we had in importing elephant and lion and the aging of the Boomer generation that had a fascination with them, double gun prices are due for a continued correction to the downside. They are relegated for now as well built, classy boat anchors. If you look at GI there are probably 250 for sale... and the number grows. Sad but the industry has been here before. Maybe it will turn around but I certainly don't see it anytime soon. In the meantime, if DG's are your thing, great deals will abound!

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Interesting price point...

One of the major gun retailers has had a very nice H&H ROYAL, 375EX 2.5".... $20,000!!

When was the last time you saw a H&H ROYAL at that kind of price??

I just had a well known UK Gunmaker offer me "a deal" on a H&H ROYAL 375FlMag, reinforced frame, 1927-30 vintage, #2 of a pair at UKP 28,000. Probably is in UK if you have the currency??

If one was to import that, the exchange is 30%, so puts it at $40k.... then shipping, insurance, import brokerage (and maybe an ugly stamp??), and 10% duty and 3% FedExcise... that puts at $50k.... that's probably well over the US Market.... with several pre-war Royals selling in high$30s to mid-$40s....??

Interesting times!!

CheerZ,

The $20K H&H is a 2-1/2” .375, not a magnum.
There is a big difference in desirability and value although at $20K, very attractive.
The 2-1/2” is very capable for about everything in NA.
Getting scope rings made to fit then original mounts is a pricey proposition though.

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Getting scope rings made to fit then original mounts is a pricey proposition though.

Yes, I hate seeing nice rifles for sale with claw bases but no rings. Having rings fitted by NECG is a pricey consideration to the overall price to get it up and running.