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I respectfully submit the only thing better than owning them is shooting them, hunting with them is better than shooting them. Thank you Mr. Cal for sharing with us. Do you plan on trying to pick a fight with a moose or bear with this 4 bore? | |||
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LHeym500: Doubt a moose as too much walkingin bad weather (a few years ago I took a moose with my .600 Wilkes). Bear over a stand, maybe. And, now that grizzly can be baited here in Alaska it's a strong possibility. Also, in a few days I depart for a month in Africa. I will ask an outfitter there what he thinks of the 4-bore Rodda for buffalo. Cheers, Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Me. Cal, I bet a PH would say,”Yeap, that is enough gun.” I imagine he would do so very deadpan. On a serious note, what do you make of the old literature/accounts of elephant and buffalo needing upteen bullets from the old bore rifles to bring down, or even Harris using multiple 10 bore rounds to bring down a Sable? My thoughts are the horse back hunting of riding in and blasting resulted in very poor shot placement, or the no one knew how to harden the bullet to ensure penetration even on lesser game like that Sable? | |||
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The only way any rifle, from a .22 to a 4-bore, that fails to put down the targeted game is poor shot placement. A dozen gut shots from the 4 won't kill immediately. From the old literature, the folks then many time just shot away. There were no laws or concequences and so much game. Ted Roosevelt shot poorly and often. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Awesome rifle, wish I could afford even a 8 bore like it ! I remember I posted the advert out of a old SCI magazine of the pair for sale many years back, loved those rifles ! If I was still in the NT, would be great to take you out for a big Bull ! | |||
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From Cal's book, pages 146-149 show the twin, in THE BRITISH BORE RIFLE, and this load data: "Modern working load: 75 grains of Blue Dot & 1700-grain conical lead bullet @ 1200 fps." 22#7oz Rifle: 80.9 ft-lbs free recoil KE and 15.23 fps recoil velocity. The magic of gun weight. But wait, if 330 grains of FFg does the same velocity: 182.4 ft-lbs & 22.9 fps. No wonder Selous developed a flinch. Well, 1750 grains of soft lead ball is a perfect 4-bore. Close enough! Soft lead ball of 1400 grains is a perfect 5-bore. Of course a hardened lead alloy ball would be lighter, to fit the bigger bore of a true 4-bore, for a working elephant load. Close enough! Might get the job done. Blue Dot ought to be easier on the stock wood, and easier on the shoulder of the peckerwood humping it around to hunt with.  Rip ... | |||
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That gun is in a class that I will never be part of. Thanks for sharing it’s story and those beautiful pictures. BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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Since I believe Rob will no longer be in state thus his fine array of full auto may not be present I suspect Joyce will be looking for a different distraction. Perhaps we can once again talk her into shooting the four bore. She's a 120 pounds of recoil sponge.  Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Always New Horizons, EH??!! HA, Ha....I will be there to watch...buying tickets now....if Cal sets the dates??!!...same weekend as the Great Alaska Aviation Gathering?? Cheers, 470EDDY | |||
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First Saturday in May, so should be May 2nd next year. DRSS "If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" "PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!" | |||
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And THAT is the same dates as the Great Alaska Aviation Gathering!!....Great match for the weekend!! Cheers, 470EDDY | |||
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Rob: I'm in Africa until August 20th. When I return I may ask for assistance in booking May 2. I've stopoped in twice and they can't help me and my emails are unanswered. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Cal, I sent you an email. Let's talk when your return. Best of luck on the remainder of your trip! DRSS "If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" "PS. To add a bit of Pappasonian philosophy: this single barrel stuff is just a passing fad. Bolt actions and single shots will fade away as did disco, the hula hoop, and bell-bottomed pants. Doubles will rule the world!" | |||
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