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Originally posted by Trapper Tom:
How many rib seperations can be attributed to the ammo and not the gun?

The one's (3 I know of) in Aus, none, they would have been using Woodleigh RN SN
because of the people involved.

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Originally posted by AK_Stick:
I disagree, and I do so, because so many other brands make doubles, that regulate both with, and without a scope installed.


As I said, amusing.

The amusing thing is your understanding of double rifles period!

Any respected maker will tell you exactly what I and others have already told you, be it H&H, Purdey, Jeffery, or Westley Richards et all.

If a double rifle will shoot with both irons and an added scope it was either regulated with both, or the owner who added the scope after the rifle was regulated is lucky as hell!

The addition of a scope after regulation will always effect the regulation to some extent, and in most cases very negatively! That, my fine friend, is the fault of the buyer, not the maker!

Now compare that to a double rifle that wasn't regulated properly by the maker, and it will not shoot properly with or without the scope, THAT is the FAULT of the MAKER, not the buyer!

I suggest you give JJ at Champlins a call and ask him if what I just said is true. JJ is the most respected double rifle smith in the USA,

If any of you guys want to buy a Sabatti the Cabelas store in Lone Tree CO had the following in stock as of an hour ago:

470 NE - $3,800
2 - 450/400 - $3,800
2 - 45/70 - $2,100 and change.

When I handled the 470 the sales person told me if I would buy one he would give me a "killer deal" on any of the Sabatti's which indicated to me they would lower the prices even further.

Mac, your the man! I learned a ton from reading your posts.

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Originally posted by MacD37:
The amusing thing is your MISunderstanding of double rifles period!

Mac

Sorry, I had to correct what you wrote.

I had an issue with my first Sabatti, a 500 NE. I gave a detailed report here. My Sabatti 450 NE has been fine. I am partway through load development. So far it likes Hornady 500 RNs (not DGX) best. Doesn't like any Hornady 350 grainers and doesn't like Speer 400s. I would like to try some 500 DGX but I can't find any. Though the rifle was okay with Hornady factory ammo, it didn't like my first effort with 480 DGX. I still need to try 350 and 450 grain TSX--just haven't got to it yet.

Horn 500 RN, H4831SC, 50 yds, iron sights:

UL: 86 grains/1816 fps (ES 140), crossed
LL: 88/1875 (57)
UR: 90/1924 (51)
LR: 92/1982 (48)

Nice looking set of targets.

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Originally posted by afp:
I had an issue with my first Sabatti, a 500 NE. I gave a detailed report here. My Sabatti 450 NE has been fine. I am partway through load development. So far it likes Hornady 500 RNs (not DGX) best. Doesn't like any Hornady 350 grainers and doesn't like Speer 400s. I would like to try some 500 DGX but I can't find any. Though the rifle was okay with Hornady factory ammo, it didn't like my first effort with 480 DGX. I still need to try 350 and 450 grain TSX--just haven't got to it yet.

Horn 500 RN, H4831SC, 50 yds, iron sights:

UL: 86 grains/1816 fps (ES 140), crossed
LL: 88/1875 (57)
UR: 90/1924 (51)
LR: 92/1982 (48)

I certainly looks as if you hit the jackpot with the 450NE Sabatti! Congratulations

Aren't they a nice set of targets.
You couldn't ask for much more, except
being able to shoot multiple bullet weights.

I have found if a gun is a stable shooter,
it often does allow playing around with success.

Thanks guys. I am still figuring all this out. I think loading for a double is as challenging as finding a good load for a 1000 yd BR rifle. After all, it's like taking two break action single shot rifles, then finding ONE load that both rifles shoot to the same POI with iron sights.

You got it in one.

Whatever issues you have with a bolt gun,
double it for a DR and some even say
quadruple it !!!

MV a bit on the low side?

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Originally posted by afp:
Thanks guys. I am still figuring all this out. I think loading for a double is as challenging as finding a good load for a 1000 yd BR rifle. After all, it's like taking two break action single shot rifles, then finding ONE load that both rifles shoot to the same POI with iron sights.

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You are exactly correct! You would not believe the number of good double rifles I've bought at dirt prices over the years because someone new to doubles thought they had bought a lemon that just wouldn't shoot with their hopped up loads!

In every case it just needed to be hand-loaded properly!

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Yeah I haven't finished working through this 500 gr Horn RN load. Right now it's in between. To fast for a light load but too slow for a full throttle load. At best, this will be a low cost practice load. This bullet isn't a DG bullet. It just happens to be the first load that shows promise.