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Originally posted by Litespeed:
I recon this discussion could go on forever, and in the end there is no correct answer

I have owned three Krieghoffs so far, and for me there is three important reasons: I can carry it "loaded" but absolutely safe, the trigger pull is amazing compared to other doubles, and the stock on the Big Five model fits me like a glove! Like many other I dream of and old classic double from a famous English maker, but i recon my wallet is not that deep

As I said I would probably use Barnes if available, and the maker and dealer have both confirmed for me that it is OK. It might be foolish, but someone has to makes the mistakes that other learn from

I am looking forward to test the 500 myself. First chance are in september, but then only for PG. Someone might think 500NE is a bit much for most PG, but I think it must be perfect

Free 500grains

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Originally posted by JPK:
Barnes are not the bullet for doubles. There grooves are too far apart.

Swifts A Frames are questionalble as well. Some makers say go ahead, but few.

North Fork and GS Custom are driving band bullets with many thin driving bands spaced close, but sufficiently far apart that there is room between the bands to accomodate all displaced material. The shanks of both the NF and GSC are under land diameter, and so so not engrave - and do not cuase stress on the ither the barrels or the ribs.

Barnes shanks engrave, and this is the issue.

GS Custom garuntees to repair your rifle should their bullets damage it. That is quite a garuntee and reflects their confidence in their product, imo.

I think Woodleigh solids are harder on doubles than NF's or GSC's and Eoodlreigh softs the easiest on barrels.

JPK

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Ard:

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Litespeed:
I might bring old news to you, but I got a little lost in the discussion between JPK and Ard Anyway... I have owned a couple of doubles, but then mostly new ones. I am currently waiting for a Krieghoff in 500NE. I used to own one in 375H&H and asked Krieghoff aboutt using Barnes Banded Solids, since I had good experience with them in my bolt action. Part of their answer to me is listed below. For me that answer is good enough, and I will use the Barnes solids if they shoot well in my rifle.


"I would not hesitate to use them if you have good success and they are
grouping in your Double.
Best regards and I keep my fingers crossed for your Buff-Hunt.

Yours sincerely,


Michael Steinmetz for
H.Krieghoff GmbH

Finally, something from Krieghoff!

Regardless of what one employee of one rifle maker says, I personally would not use them in a rifle of mine. That employee may be in for some concern for his possition when someone sends them a rifle with the barrels seperated from the ribs, along with a copy of that letter from Mr. Steinmetz!

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Hi dave,

I throw myself upon my own sword regarding the wordiness. Guilty as charged. I'll try to keep a tight lid on it for awhile.

Regarding your .500 Kriegoff, I have always wanted to try that cartridge, as well as some others from the old ivory hunting years, just out of curiosity.
"Pondoro" Taylor wrote of the .500 Jeffery Mauser cartridge as having no appreciable recoil. I'd have to see that to believe it. By the way, my favorite PH likes the Kriegoff cocking feature, that way his so armed client can carry the rifle loaded and he does not have to worry quite as much about them stumbling along behind him. He tells me he is constantly amazed how many clients show up with little or no experience on the rifle they bring for their first trip to his neck of the woods. I guess some guys are just wanting to kill things and are not much interested in rifles and cartridges. I don't get that but, whatever.

Well any way,
Cheers.
Ard.

The combi-cocker on the Krieghoff rifle is fine, and is about as safe to carry fully loaded as any rifle can be, However, the fact is many believe the Blaser combi-cocking system is the same system, and it is definitely not!

The K-gun re-cocks it's self when broken open for a re-loading after the rifle has been fired. All one has to do is close the rifle and fire the next two. This is another safety feature that is absent on the Blaser. The Blaser must be re-cocked if the barrels are opened for any reason, and this feature is not correctable, without a total re-designing of the combi-cocking system on the Blaser.

As far as the mono-metal solids, or so-called X-bullet with solid shanks, and without the pressure rings, like those on the GS Customs, or North Fork CPS, or FPS, are not worth the risk with any double rifle, new or old! The benefit derived from a solid without properly designed pressure rings is simply not sufficient reason to take the risk, if any benefit exists at all. Too many good solids and good quality controlled expanding bullets are available, without the risk involved. Others may do as it suits them, but I simply do not see the thought process of someone risking a barrel set for one bullet type! You may get by with it till you don't get by with it, and that may be when you need the rifle the most.

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Originally posted by JPK:
Ard,

If you want the absolute minimum stress on your barrels, ribs joints, etc, then you would choose a North Fork cup point for buff.

But for elephants, you would want to use the North Fork flat nose.

Easier on your rifle than any other choice.

JPK

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Originally posted by JPK:
Ard,

There is no radial compression required of the North Forks. Or the GS Customs either. All other bullets require radial compression. With the requirement for radial compression comes radial expansion of the barrel. That is the mechanism by which jointing is flexed and may (will, eventually?) come loose.

Woodleigh softs and Hornaday softs are not unduly hard on barrels, but in my opinion, nothing is easier on a barrel or joints than a true driving band bullet, of which I am aware of only two NF's and GSC's.

BTW, the Hornaday softs Interlocks do not thave a steel jacket, only the fist generation Hornaday round nose solids have the steel jacket and a round nose. Te subsequent round nose, non steel jacketed solids are the ones you want to avoid. And the magnet check is the way to do that.

JPK