GUESS I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THIS WAY. WHAT IF ALL BLACKS SUDDENLY LEFT AMERICA (THEY ARE 13% OF THE TOTAL POPULATION): All you PC police this is in the joke forum

The prison population would go down by 37%,

There would be 50% fewer gang members,

Obesity percentage would drop 30%,

Average IQ would go up 7 points putting us 3rd in the world tied with Japan,

Average Sat scores would go up almost 100 pts,

Average ACT scores would go up 5.5 pts,

Chlamydia cases would go down 50%,

Gonorrhea would go down 69%,

Syphilis would go down 58%,

The average income for Americans would go up over 20,000 dollars a year,

Amount of people in poverty would drop 30%,

Homelessness would go down 57%,

BABIES BORN TO UNMARRIED WOMEN AND LIVING IN HOUSEHOLDS

WITHOUT FATHERS WOULD GO DOWN BY 73 %,

Welfare recipients would go down by 40%,

DEMOCRATS WOULD LOSE 50% OF THEIR VOTING BASE,

And many criminal defense attorneys would have to find another line of work!

and, that is very sad.

My Grandfather said that democrat/socialists had the total degradation of the black race in America
in mind with welfare, and the idea of creating a permanent voter base.

sad, indeed...

Franklin D. Roosevelt said that bringing blacks to the US was one of the biggest mistakes we ever made.

What would happen to the NBA and the NFL?
Cal

Out of business.

I was told the American Dream was a million blacks, swimming back to Africa, with a Jew under each arm

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I was told the American Dream was a million blacks, swimming back to Africa, with a Jew under each arm

…or a Muslim.
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I was told the American Dream was a million blacks, swimming back to Africa, with a Jew under each arm

…or a Muslim.
Cal

Point.....counterpoint

Apparently, there is a view that this rating. But then it turns out that the IQ of African Americans - just 51, which is lower than that of their tribesmen in Equatorial Africa. What they were influenced by, the American education system or the TV?

107 - Hong Kong
106 - Korea, South
105 - Japan
104 - Taiwan, Singapore
102 - Austria, Germany, Italy, Netherlands
101 - Sweden, Switzerland
100 - Belgium, China, New Zealand, U. Kingdom
099 - Hungary, Poland,
098 - Australia, Denmark, France, Norway, USA
097 - Сanada, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Spain
096 - Argentina, Belarus, Russia, Slovakia, Ukraine, Uruguay
095 - Moldova, Portugal, Slovenia
094 - Israel, Romania
093 - Armenia, Bulgaria, Georgia, Ireland, Kazakhstan
092 - Greece, Malaysia
091 - Thailand
090 - Croatia, Peru, Turkey
089 - Colombia, Indonesia, Suriname
087 - Azerbaijan, Brazil, Iraq, Kyrgyzstan, Mexico, Samoa, Tajikistan, Tonga, Uzbekistan
086 - Lebanon, Philippines
085 - Cuba, Morocco
084 - Fiji, Iran, Marshall Islands, Puerto Rico
083 - Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen
081 - Bangladesh, India, Pakistan
080 - Ecuador
079 - Guatemala
078 - Barbados, Nepal, Qatar
077 - Zambia
073 - Congo (Brazz), Uganda
072 - Jamaica, Kenya, South Africa, Sudan, Tanzania
071 - Ghana
067 - Nigeria
066 - Guinea, Zimbabwe
065 - Congo (Zaire)
064 - Sierra Leone
063 - Ethiopia
059 - Guinea

Vashper....please cite a reference for your numbers. There are a number of extensively documented compendiums such as "Why Race Matters" by Michael Levin that present the average IQ of African Americans as about halfway between that of Americans of European extraction i.e. "White" and that of current sub saharan Africans. Other than that your numbers seem more or less in line with others I have seen. The sugested reason for the African American IQ is of course genetic mixing with Europeans over the last 200 plus years.

Another person's view on the topic.

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Yet without blacks, America:

Would be poorer – it got rich in part on the backs of black slaves and, later, through cheap black labour. This has helped to underwrite both industrialization and white middle-class comfort.

It would have far fewer people – it would be thinly populated like Canada or Australia. It would probably have only half as many people: without slave labour the country would have grown much more slowly.

It would be a weaker country – because it would be both smaller and poorer. And more divided:
There would be no melting pot – the main division in American society would no longer be race but class, religion and ethnicity. There would be no Them against which to create a common White American identity. Oddly, society would be more divided not less.

There would neither be rock music nor pizza – the music, language, food and fashion would be different. Not only because there would be no black culture to affect the mainstream but also because there would be no melting pot through which ethnic white cultures could affect it too. American mainstream culture would not just be less black, but, for example, less Jewish too. It would be much Waspier and have worse food and worse music.

Society would be more unjust, its people less free and equal – because America would have never been forced to live up to its liberal values of freedom and equality like it has. There would have been no civil war or civil rights movement. Equal rights even among white men might not have been achieved, much less any thought of equal rights for women, gays and so on. Think Northern Ireland writ large.

I say we keep the jews. They at least have their own money and work for a living.

ranb40,

none of what you say would have ever come about, so how would we know to miss it?

Blacks are not in the melting pot, and we would not have needed a civil rights movement or civil war. Western growth was not fueled by minorities. That was the free land thing.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Blacks are not in the melting pot,.....

You say that like "all blacks" are. When I see this kind of claim I think it's just as fucking stupid as when some people say all guns owners are just potential murders.

ranb40,trying to not be insulting but you are an idiot that does not understand the real world. I could expound on the civil rights movement,the fact that Lincoln wanted ALL the blacks removed from America but caved in to Frederick Douglas.Frankly ranb40 you need to go back to history 101.I must confess + without any racial negativity that with out the blacks on the dole our country wouldbe in a much better financial place. I don't begrudge them because they are black.I begrudge them because they steal the money that I work for while they sit on their dead asses.You may not want to steryotype but it is the truth.I am all for anyone who supports the American Dream. Remember that it is Life,Liberty.+ THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.It was not a guarantee.Every race has that option.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I was told the American Dream was a million blacks, swimming back to Africa, with a Jew under each arm

…or a Muslim.
Cal

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Yet without blacks, America: Would be poorer – it got rich in part on the backs of black slaves and, later, through cheap black labour. This has helped to underwrite both industrialization and white middle-class comfort. It would have far fewer people – it would be thinly populated like Canada or Australia. It would probably have only half as many people: without slave labour the country would have grown much more slowly. It would be a weaker country – because it would be both smaller and poorer. And more divided: There would be no melting pot – the main division in American society would no longer be race but class, religion and ethnicity. There would be no Them against which to create a common White American identity. Oddly, society would be more divided not less. There would neither be rock music nor pizza – the music, language, food and fashion would be different. Not only because there would be no black culture to affect the mainstream but also because there would be no melting pot through which ethnic white cultures could affect it too. American mainstream culture would not just be less black, but, for example, less Jewish too. It would be much Waspier and have worse food and worse music. Society would be more unjust, its people less free and equal – because America would have never been forced to live up to its liberal values of freedom and equality like it has. There would have been no civil war or civil rights movement. Equal rights even among white men might not have been achieved, much less any thought of equal rights for women, gays and so on. Think Northern Ireland writ large.

And he says this like this would be a bad thing!

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Originally posted by NormanConquest:
ranb40,trying to not be insulting but you are an idiot that does not understand the real world.

Exactly what statement of mine do you not agree with? The only place I took a stand was calling sharpshooter's claim stupid

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I could expound on the civil rights movement,the fact that Lincoln wanted ALL the blacks removed from America but caved in to Frederick Douglas.Frankly ranb40 you need to go back to history 101.

So what.

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I must confess + without any racial negativity that with out the blacks on the dole our country wouldbe in a much better financial place.

Based on other posts of your on this forum I'd have to say that you are a hard core racist.

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I don't begrudge them because they are black.I begrudge them because they steal the money that I work for while they sit on their dead asses.

Some blacks or all blacks? Sounds like it is all blacks coming from you. The behavior you speak of is not only related to black people.

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You may not want to steryotype but it is the truth.I am all for anyone who supports the American Dream. Remember that it is Life,Liberty.+ THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.It was not a guarantee.

Except black people I suppose?

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Every race has that option.

It's a bit harder when a county passed laws designed to keep certain groups down; or do you disagree?

Ranb

RanB,

You might want to reexamine your silly socialist statements.

If the country did not support the black community, the blacks might learn to support themselves.

There's a joke going around. What holiday is not celebrated in black communities?

Father's Day.

The sad part of the joke, is that in nearly 3/4ths of black families there is no married to the mother of his children Father.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
RanB,

You might want to reexamine your silly socialist statements.

Which statements? The one where I said your claim was stupid or the one where I claimed NormanConquest sounded like a hard core racist?

Did you mean to say; "nearly 3/4ths of black families there is no father married to the mother of his children"? Where did you find data to support this claim? I was able to find a few links that claimed 72% of African-American births are out of wedlock. This is obviously not the same as 72% (or 3/4 as you claim) of black families are without a married father as most families have more than one child. There are also unmarried fathers who live with their families or are a significant presence in their children's lives even though they don't live with them.

I was separated from my kids as a result of divorce; doesn't mean they grew up fatherless.

Ranb

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Originally posted by stubbleduck47:
Vashper....please cite a reference for your numbers. There are a number of extensively documented compendiums such as "Why Race Matters" by Michael Levin that present the average IQ of African Americans as about halfway between that of Americans of European extraction i.e. "White" and that of current sub saharan Africans. Other than that your numbers seem more or less in line with others I have seen. The sugested reason for the African American IQ is of course genetic mixing with Europeans over the last 200 plus years.

It was, so to speak, an arithmetic irony. To raise IQ by 7 points by removing only 13% of the population, it is necessary that these thirteen intelligence was very low, almost negative. A simple arithmetic calculation on the original data (was 98, became 105) just gives the same 51 point for dismissed 13%. I mean in the original text there is some kind of arithmetic error.
I actually didn't give much importance to such comparisons. The IQ test involves many tasks, some of which depend heavily on the language of the Respondent, for example, it is necessary to collect a word from the rearranged letters. How are these tasks in Chinese?
While the rating is known data:

http://www.sq.4mg.com/corrupt.htm

but its not the only one. There are other estimates, although in General they are similar. Intellectual peaks - East Asia and Upper Germany.

I just read through this whole thread.

Quite frankly I find it insulting.

Any time you judge a person by one word (in this case Black, Jew or Muslim); be it color or religion we show our own ignorance.

I realize some was an attempt at humor, I guess not a very good attempt.

Vashper....There are a number of validated IQ tests that are independent of language. Do a little homework starting with the text mentioned in my first note. IQ is indeed a measure of a number of things some of which can be measured individually. IQ as a single measurement does in fact, in all cultures and countries, correlate very highly with success in life as defined by wealth, status, and health.

ranb40,

I will need to take this slow for you.

First thing; when someone (like you) has to result to profanity, they have admitted that their entire argument is specious and not fact based.

Second thing; the Federal Government does not give women of any race ADC or its equivalent to married women, or women with a man in the house.
That fact is based on generations of payments to unwed mothers, not your silly opinions.

I would give you five or six other reasons, but I expect it will take you a week to digest this.

Rich

npd345,

you may find it insulting, but that does not invalidate it.

The Constitution guarantees you "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happines..." as specifically enumerated. It does NOT guarantee you the right not to be offended. That is the major issue in today's society.

Feel free, however, to go digging with Health&Welfare to find statistical evidence to rebut the original poster's statements.

regards,

Rich

Rich you know me well enough, over the last thirty years, to know my values.

When we label a group as a whole we demean ourselves.

Yes some of it is true for some of the group just don't blanket label the entire group.

How did this ever get in the humor forum?

Other than Cal's and Saeed's comments there is little to no humor here.
Move it to the political forum so Edmund can add to the bullshit.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I will need to take this slow for you.

Good idea, you should slow down and introduce some evidence to support your "facts" instead of lying to us.

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First thing; when someone (like you) has to result to profanity, they have admitted that their entire argument is specious and not fact based.

Ohh, "the I'm insulted by swearing card", good play. It might work on the people who are stupid enough to believe your claims.

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Second thing; the Federal Government does not give women of any race ADC or its equivalent to married women, or women with a man in the house.

Do you mean aid to dependent children? Like the programs described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...h_Dependent_Children

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The federal government authorized case workers, supervisors, and administrators with discretion to determine who received aid and how much. ADC was primarily created for white single mothers who were expected not to work. Black mothers who had always been in the labor force were not considered eligible to receive benefits.

Or did you mean something else? I don't know how factual this Wikipedia article is, but it seems to miles ahead of you so far.

Evidence to support your claim? From what I have read aid to children is not entirely based on whether or not daddy is home.

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That fact is based on generations of payments to unwed mothers, not your silly opinions.

Which silly opinions do you speak of? So far I've been limiting my opinions to attacks on your (and others) character. So far you have yet to present any facts, just your racist opinions.

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I would give you five or six other reasons, but I expect it will take you a week to digest this.

When you're done running away from your stupid claims for a week, please come back with some evidence to support them.

People like you are what makes it hard for people like to me to get the law changed in the USA to make it better for gun owners. As long as a person only need to point to a website like this to show everyone how racist American gun owners are, it's going to keep being that much harder to convince people that 2nd amendment rights should actually be a civil right instead of a privilege that can vanish in the wind.

The evidence is the opening post in this thread. Are you disputing any or all of it?

If you do not like it, take it up with him.

My wife retired last year after a career with H&W in the state of Idaho. She says the data I have posted is basically true.
1. you have a husband in the house, no ADC.
2. you have an income that amounts to diddly, no ADC.

Of course there are (very) rare exceptions to the rules, but the statutes in January when my wife went to the 2015 Seminars detailing the changes the Feds had made; brought the total documentation to nearly six thousand pages. It did NOT contain any rules changes to allow a husband/father to live in the home and still remain eligible for benefits.

I would suggest you contact the welfare office in your local community and ask them what the criteria are in WA.

The TRUTH is that thing, when you cease denying its' validity; does not change.

You are still not making any headway here in disproving the statements.

Roosevelt created the welfare system after Fathers left the home to find work during the Depression. They just never repealed it when WWII broke out.

The "so white mothers did not have to work..." is another specious statement you made up. Until the economy went south, most white mothers did not need to work outside the home.
My Father earned a good living, my Mother did not work outside the home until all of my brothers and I were grown and living outside the home on our own (after service in the US military) and got bored. The town I grew up in had steel mills, none of the Mothers in our part of town worked outside the home, except this one lady who worked at the bank. She liked a new Lincoln every other year, and her husband told her to get a job if she wanted that luxury.

Wikipedia? That's funny. Anyone can go there and post their opinion. That does not make it fact.

I understand you dislike the post. None of us are happy about it. If it bothers you so much, get up off your dead ass, walk away from the computer, and go volunteer at some facility that provides services to the disadvantaged. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

That is the course of action my wife and I have taken. We volunteer, we contribute far beyond our 10% tithe to our church, both in terms of time and resources. We have a sister church in Mexico we contribute to. In early June a large group is going down and build a school. Our money donated, our time volunteered. PM me your phone number and I will have somebody at church contact you the time and place to report for duty, and where to donate some money for supplies.

Stop yapping at my heels like a cur dog and do something positive...

And get a life, while you are at it.

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Originally posted by stubbleduck47:
Vashper.... IQ as a single measurement does in fact, in all cultures and countries, correlate very highly with success in life as defined by wealth, status, and health.

It's a good hypothesis, but it is not verified by practice. People with high IQ well solving crossword and puzzles and they're clever rather than stupid - but known absolute leader in this test - rather ordinary people.
But this is at least a formal and objective indicator, and the big problem is that different people and different populations are different. Indeed, how to live with it? To ban method? To classify the results?

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
The evidence is the opening post in this thread. Are you disputing any or all of it?

Actually there is zero evidence in the original post. It is merely a set of unsubstantiated claims made in the humor section of a forum. Do you really understand what evidence is?

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If you do not like it, take it up with him.

I've taken exception to your claims and you have yet to address them with anything rational.

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My wife retired last year after a career with H&W in the state of Idaho. She says the data I have posted is basically true.

I think she is wrong. Here is the criteria for assistance in Idaho; http://healthandwelfare.idaho....id/1556/Default.aspx

So when you claimed that;

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1. you have a husband in the house, no ADC.
2. you have an income that amounts to diddly, no ADC

You were wrong.

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I would suggest you contact the welfare office in your local community and ask them what the criteria are in WA.

You made the claim, you prove it.

Here is the statute for WA. http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=74.08.025 No mention of any requirement that the dad be present or not.

Here is some info on the federal requirements. http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/613 Notice that it doesn't even require that the recipient be a mother (just supporting a child) and doesn't mention martial (or partnership) status at all.

You're making reckless claims about what the law says, but you seem to be completely unaware of what the law actually says. And now you're dragging your wife into the argument instead of manning up and bring a bit of actual evidence to the discussion.

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The "so white mothers did not have to work..." is another specious statement you made up.

Wikipedia? That's funny. Anyone can go there and post their opinion. That does not make it fact.

I was very clear in my post that the statement was from Wikipedia, not me. I also said I didn't know if it was true.

You still need to post a link that has evidence to support your claim of; "nearly 3/4ths of black families there is no married to the mother of his children Father"

Ranb

it's in the post that has started this back and forth.

That said, my wife said it is basically true.

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Originally posted by npd345:
I just read through this whole thread.

Quite frankly I find it insulting.

Any time you judge a person by one word (in this case Black, Jew or Muslim); be it color or religion we show our own ignorance.

I realize some was an attempt at humor, I guess not a very good attempt.

This is the HUMOUR FORUM!

Here there are no rules. Everyone is a target and PC be damned

But I wonder what IQ the native Americans (Indeans) have and what would happen if all the white folks from the USA return back to Europe?

Saeed,

It is spelled HUMOR and I hope you find that humorous!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by npd345:
I just read through this whole thread.

Quite frankly I find it insulting.

Any time you judge a person by one word (in this case Black, Jew or Muslim); be it color or religion we show our own ignorance.

I realize some was an attempt at humor, I guess not a very good attempt.

This is the HUMOUR FORUM!

Here there are no rules. Everyone is a target and PC be damned

It was being spelt "humour" long before it was spelt "humor".

Saeed,

fix the header, it's spelled humor up top.

I guess Humour is the British commonwealth way of spelling it.

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Originally posted by vashper:
But I wonder what IQ the native Americans (Indeans) have and what would happen if all the white folks from the USA return back to Europe?

They would go back to killing each other.

Not using the resource available. They had all the recourses of the Americas available yet they were living in the stone age.

They would turn back to cannibalism.

Women would be treated as property.

Many thousands would starve to death each winter.

One could go on and on.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

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Originally posted by vashper:
But I wonder what IQ the native Americans (Indeans) have and what would happen if all the white folks from the USA return back to Europe?

They would go back to killing each other.

Not using the resource available. They had all the recourses of the Americas available yet they were living in the stone age.

They would turn back to cannibalism.

Women would be treated as property.

Many thousands would starve to death each winter.

One could go on and on.

Much like Africa: thousands and thousands of years and still no wheel, no written language.
What happened was the Indians wanted what the Europeans had. Iron pots, steel knives and hatchets, bright cloth, shiny beads and baubles and, of course, guns.

My Grandfather once told me: "you can take _______(fill in the blank) out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the ______."

Welfare will take the initiative out of any ethnicity, four generations from the start.

It is what it is, regardless of how you feel personally.

I like Saeed and cal pappas vision but let's add politicians and liberals to the underarm baggage.

Humor vs. humour

Humor and humour are different spellings of the same word. Humor is preferred in American English, and humour is preferred in all the other main varieties of English. The distinction extends to the derivative participles—humored/humoured and humoring/humouring—but in all varieties of English the second-syllable u is dropped from the adjective humorous.
Examples
U.S.

This is not to say that first-rate humor can’t be squeezed out of the spy game. [Washington Post]

But the level of humor—much of it distinctly of the bathroom variety—is aimed squarely at the under-13 set. [USA Today]

Alà¿s’s work is full of these humorous touches, which convert potentially cold conceptual pranks into warm, whimsical human experiences. [Boston Globe]

Outside the U.S.

With Ross’s keen editorial observations, his self-deprecating humour and his supporting cast of characters, Eyes is a welcome addition to my shelves of newspaper noir. [Calgary Herald]

It’s all very good humoured, in a British way, however much people worry that the civic character of the town is being eroded. [Telegraph]

Humorous

Hundreds of comments have also been left on the auction, ranging from humorous puns and questions to praise for Johnson’s initiative. [Stuff.co.nz]

The second play, Greek is a humorous twist on the Oedipus legend reflected in 1980s London culture. [BBC News]

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
They would go back to killing each other.

No shortage of people killing each other in Europe either.

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Not using the resource available. They had all the recourses of the Americas available yet they were living in the stone age.

Call it what you want, but these people built pyramids more massive than the ones in Egypt.

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Women would be treated as property.

And when did it become illegal for a husband to rape his wife in England? What about a dowry? Same thing as buying a wife yes? A married woman was her husband's property until recent laws were passed less than 200 years ago.

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Many thousands would starve to death each winter.

Right after the USA got done killing 3/4's of a million of it's own residents, hundreds of thousands of people died in the famine of 1866-1868 in Scandinavia. Prior to that a million (many Irish) died during a famine.

One could go on and on. Spew your hate somewhere else.

Ranb

Actually I can send that little ping pong ball back to you concerning ignorance + hatred.

To paraphrase your tag line, the best accessory you could put on is a silencer.

There's nothing wrong with a little ignorance, but you're making a career out of it here.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
npd345,

The Constitution guarantees you "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness..." as specifically enumerated. Rich

Uh, not to be a smartass, but . . . those desirable qualities are in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

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Originally posted by Nitro Express:

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
npd345,

The Constitution guarantees you "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness..." as specifically enumerated. Rich

Uh, not to be a smartass, but . . . those desirable qualities are in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

It's okay, though. Hillary said the same thing.

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Originally posted by JLarsson:
It's okay, though. Hillary said the same thing.

Idaho and Hillary sittin in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

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There's nothing wrong with a little ignorance, but you're making a career out of it here.

Coming from the person who refuses to learn even a little bit about the laws he talks about; I'd say you don't know the meaning of the word irony either.

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Originally posted by ranb40:

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Originally posted by JLarsson:
It's okay, though. Hillary said the same thing.

Idaho and Hillary sittin in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

Don't misunderstand me, sir. I am merely trying to turn this back to something related to humor, as that has been totally lost. In no way does that imply that I agree with you on any point.

i just read this for a laugh and got a headache...
kudos saeed for letting this roll, alot of forums regulate their content, i appreciate the openess on accuratereloading.com we should all be allowed to lift someone up or piss someone off with out a referee!

continue gentlemen....