My next project is going to build a 6mm. I would like to know which is best for hunting 6mm rem, 6mm ppc, 6mm ak imp, ect.. ?

While the .240 weatherby is a little faster and the 6-06 is a better yet round....IMO the 6MM Remington is a spectacular cartridge as is from the factory and you will not be short changed in any way with it.

No question in my mind....the 6 MM remington is king of the 6mms

The answer is in the thread title.....adding three little letters to it.....6mmREM!!! No fuss, no bother, accurrate, easy to load for and just plain fun!!! GHD

.243 win

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Originally posted by MajorCaliber:
.243 win

243Win., HUH! The best 6mm is the Remington. Jay

I was thinking the same thing a while back. I found this page really helpful. I was thinking more varmint hunting than anything else. I dont know what you have planned. Hope it helps.
http://www.6mmbr.com/6BRFAQ.html#23455

Big-un

Thanks guy's. I want a good all around gun to hunt for small game and anything else that POPS UP... THANKS.....

240 Rimless nitro express
244 Holland & Holland

Well, I think that the 6MM Rem. is probably the best of the .243/6MM clan, but the .243 Win. is the most popular. In a pinch, one can usually find .243 ammo at your local Wallyworld or K-Mart, but if you ask for 6MM Rem., you're probably gonna hear, Huh? What's that?"
Paul B.

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Originally posted by Paul B:
Well, I think that the 6MM Rem. is probably the best of the .243/6MM clan, but the .243 Win. is the most popular. In a pinch, one can usually find .243 ammo at your local Wallyworld or K-Mart, but if you ask for 6MM Rem., you're probably gonna hear, Huh? What's that?" Paul B.

Sadly what Paul says is true.It ,however,does not alter the fact that the design features of the .244 (6mm) yield a far more versitile cartridge than the .243. Disregarding special purpose useage, the 6mm Rem. is the most totally Adequate cartridge in that caliber.It shares that esteem with all the cartridges of 57mm length. roger

Add my vote for the 6mm Remington.

6mm Remington.

Had Winchester not paid off all the gun rag writers, and had Remington pushed the cartridge as a versatile hunting/target round, the 243 would not exist today.

Remington has a habit of following on the heels of Winchester and never quite gaining the popularity.

For example, Rem had the SAUM idea completely finished before the RUM. They just happened to choose to introduce the RUMs first. Then Winchester comes in with the WSMs and Rem counters with the SAUM. Well, today the WSMs are a million times more popular than the SAUM and the 243 beats 6mm in sales.

Doesnt necessarily mean the Win cartridges are better.

-Spencer

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Doesnt necessarily mean the Win cartridges are better

100% agreement here.....but try finding a box of 6MM Rem most places.....the .243 is available almost everywhere I look.....

Being the better cartridge don't mean it's what the folks buy.....

Unless you're a handloader we often times are better off buying the popular cartridge.

AMMO is not a problem. I reload and work part time for a gun shop to help pay for my habit of guns. It makes life at home with the wife easier.

Huh, just looked in my inventory database and Remington themselves only make one load for the 6mm.

Hornady offers more flavours than they do!

Funny.

-Spencer

Federal also loads it. I will load for it anyway. Thanks for all your information. I just put a order in for a remington.

My 240 Cobra was my most accurate (necked up 220 Swift). Of course that is nearly the old 6mm Lee Navy. I liked my 243 Rockchuker (virtual 6mm Rem), and 6mm Rem, and 243, 6MM Mashburn, etc. Most are virtually the same ballistically with just a few hot ones. They are all really fine.

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Originally posted by xtrema44:
My next project is going to build a 6mm. I would like to know which is best for hunting 6mm rem, 6mm ppc, 6mm ak imp, ect.. ?

Hands down......the 6mm Ackley Improved!

I concur with those that said the 6mm Remington...

I own 5 different 243s, and it is a good cartridge.... However a 6mm Remington, on a LONG action, is head and shoulders above it on velocity... and accuracy in my two are fantastic with H 414....or RL 19 with heavier match bullets...

If you are going for long range, I heavily recommend a 1 in 8 twist barrel, or even a one in 7....

And ONLY on a long action.. otherwise, you might as well go with the 243, unless you are just shooting, lightweight short bullets, like 70 grains and under.....

Xtrema44: The 6mm Remington is a splendid cartridge and the ones I have and did own were and are very accurate!
There is simply not much the 6mm Remington won't do well.
Presently I own many other 6mm Rifles including a wonderful 6mm Remington Bench Rest, a 6mm PPC, a 6mm Remington Ackley Improved, a custom 240 Weatherby, numerous 243 Winchesters and a couple of 6mm Remingtons!
Depending on your intended useages I would go with the 6mm Remington in your project Rifle if you want high performance and low rounds use per day (20 to 100) shooting and if you can get by with just blazing accuracy and moderate to good performance and have a need for shooting more than 100 rounds a day then be sure and investigate the 6mm Remington Bench Rest as that is what I would recommend for that latter scenario.
One of the posters above mentioned the Winchester folks "out innovating" Remington "Big Green"! Well as with most blanket statements there WILL be exceptions.
Indeed what ever happened to the 225 Winchester as opposed to the 22-250 Remington?
How about the 358 Winchester and the 350 Remington Magnum?
Etc etc etc!
Remington long ago left Winchester in the dust (for the most part!) with their wonderful cartridges and CONTINUING cartridge devleopment program i.e.: 280 Remington, 221 Remington Fireball, 17 Remington, 222 Remington, 223 Remington, 222 Remington Magnum, 260 Remington, 25/06 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum and I won't even get into the myriad of big bores that Remington has recently developed.
Remington in my opinion is doing a fine job (the best job of any factory!?) in cartridge development.
Long live Big Green!
Hold int the wind
VarmintGuy

VARMINTGUY..I would like to thank you for the info.I too love BIG GREEN all my rifles are Remingtons but the one Bushmaster.
THANKS XTREMA44

Did you order a new rifle or are you having one built?

Xtrem44: Others are more knowledgeable about this than I but if you are interested in building your project Rifle on a Remington 700 action then the length of the throat should be discussed with your gunsmith before you buy your action. Along with that another decision you might foresee needed to be answered before you go with a long or a short action is if you will have enough magazine box length for the bullets you intend on using.
Like I say others are more up to date on things in this regard but if you want to use some long VLD type bullets in your custom Rifle then maybe the long action Remington 700 than a short action 700 if you are going with the 6mm Remington?
I used the short action Remington 700 for my custom 6mm Remington Ackley Improved! It is fitted though with a permanent single shot fixture in the magazine well.
Good luck with your project Rifle what ever you choose!
More later
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I ordered a Remington 700 vls in 6mm.I'll send the action abd barrel to a smith friend.I think I'll have him true & blueprint the action and then put sako conversion on the bolt. I'll then put a remington pss stock on it and see how well it shoots. If it doesn't group well then I'll have a barrel put on.

I have 2 Rem 700 VS in 6mm, but I have not had a chance to shoot them much yet. I can tell you that one of my 6's did not like IMR 4895 with the 105gr A-max. I also have a 7mm08 in VLS configuration, it shoots quite well in stock form with a little trigger adjustment.
Good luck, I don't think you will be disappointed.

6mm-284 hands down can't go wrong!

I have both the .243Win. and the 6mm Rem. I prefer the 6mm Rem. but in truth there's not much difference between them. Both will do the job nicely. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

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CONTINUING cartridge devleopment program i.e.: 280 Remington, 221 Remington Fireball, 17 Remington, 222 Remington, 223 Remington, 222 Remington Magnum, 260 Remington, 25/06 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum and I won't even get into the myriad of big bores that Remington has recently developed.
Remington

Most of those were just wildcats, that Remington standardized!

Make sure u get an 8 twist in that barrel to shoot the most impressive 115 DTAC bullet from David Tubb-- IF u're trying to go long-range on varmints-- maybe small big game.

MajorCaliber: And your point is?

"Most of those were just wildcats, that Remington standardized"!

Are you saying Remington had no foresight in bringing these calibers out in factory available and factory priced Rifles?
Or are you saying it doesn't take lots of effort and expense to do the development, planning, designing, testing to get these calibers on line in a factory Rifle?
Let alone gearing up to do the same to make the ammunition!
And notice how popular these cartridges are with Rifle type gun-nuts of all intensities!
Yeah the 221 Fireball, the 6x47, the 6x45 and the 17 Remington were wildcats - and they are based on cartridges that Remington brainstormed, invented, designed, tested and developed - the 222, 223 and 222 Remington Magnum etc!
Which other arms company has brought out more new cartridges than Remington has - in the last 50 years?
Ruger?
Sako?
Weatherby?
Winchester?
Savage?
Marlin?
CZ?
Tikka?
Berreta?
Browning?
Cooper?
Kimber?
The answer IS - none have!
Step back and think about it and then give thanks to the folks at Big Green when you are done. And don't forget the wonderful 22-250 Remington by the way.
Long live Remington!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

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Had Winchester not paid off all the gun rag writers, and had Remington pushed the cartridge as a versatile hunting/target round, the 243 would not exist today.

The Winchester cartridge became a worldwide success only because of payola, and the Remington failed only because Marketing didn't get the word out? The introduction of both cartridges occured slightly before my time. Since you were there I'm wondering if Winchester "paid off all the gun rag writers" in cash, or with all expense paid trips to upscale hunting lodges where they tested new rifles, optics, and ammunition under the convivial supervision of the boys from marketing? If Remington didn't do the same then, when did they start?

Its the same story as the .270win and .280rem little diffrence but one is clearly more versitile. Only problem is remington didnt push thier cartridge as hard as winchester. But saying this i realize ima .270wsm fan uh irony anyone?

Were I to build another 6mm, I would have the 6mm-06 built. Slightly faster than a 240 wby mag, and fast and flat, hard hitting.

Excluding marketing, Winchester's successes were due to the sexy little featherweights those cartridges were chambered in, let alone the pre-64 model 70. Anyone remember the 722 Remington? About as handsome as a fence post, wasn't it?

VG, I had missed a couple days on the board due to being out of town trying to make a living(working!!) but when I scrolled down thru the topics I see that you had replied in good favor to the poster(MAJOR CALIBER) who has no historical knowledge of cartridge developement!!
I must intervene here now and say that "history repeats itself....(243Win vs 6mm, Remington had used the 12 twist instead of 9 or 10 twist in the 6mm and performance using the heavy bullets(100 grain is heavy in a 6mm!!!) .....if Remington had released their "SAUM's"(R&D was done and in the books!!!) instead of the "RUM's" first, then the "WSM's" would be looking at obsolescence instead of the SAUM's!!! A much more usable case design if wanting to dink with it!!! And performance is, with most powders and bullet weights of "not a significant differece"(mathematician and statistition term) in end result!!! Give me the SAUM's over the WSM's!! And neither of the "biggies" had the wherewithall to bring out SAUM 25's or 6.5's or 25WSM's or 6.5WSM's!!!
One of them brought out a version of ridicoulously short 257's that can't match the 25-06 and called it a "great thing"!!
I don't care if you don't think the REMINGTON chamberings are superior! I don't care if you think the .225 Winchester is head and shoulders above the 22-250 or the Swift!(it's not!!!) Look at who had the wherewithall to adopt to a new line of engineering and (Mr. Neidner did the deal around 1920.....do you know who Adolph Neidner was??? Or how about Ned Roberts? Or maybe even P.O. Ackley!!!)(None of the factorys offer anything by Mr.Ackley!!! He was truly ahead of his time in terms of engineering!!!)try to enhance their niche in the marketplace like Remington did!!!
It's a sad state of affairs that REMINGTON is in the financial straits they are in!! Winchester and Browning are only slightly better(questionably) than the BIG GREEN!!
But as far as bringing commercial chamberings out THAT A MAJORITY OF US CAN IDENTIFY WITH, "REMINGTON" bears second fiddle to no one!!!
GHD

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Originally posted by ShopCartRacing:
6mm Remington.

Had Winchester not paid off all the gun rag writers, and had Remington pushed the cartridge as a versatile hunting/target round, the 243 would not exist today.

Remington has a habit of following on the heels of Winchester and never quite gaining the popularity.

-Spencer

This is not the whole story. Now Winchester may have paid off gunwriters but don't you think Remington tried to also?

That's not what made the 244 Remington a flop. What made it a flop was the heavy 26" barrel on the cheezy 722 Remington rifle. Remington marketed the 244 as primarily a varminter and Winchester offered a heavier bullet and marketed the 243 as an all around round with the 100 gr bullet.

The other thing was the slow 1-12 twist Remington used with the 244. Today nobody sells 243 rifles with such slow twist.

The only cartridge to get in 6mm is the 243 Winchester unless you have some special purpose and then there are other choices.

Aggiedog, My friend had a 6.5x06 built and I've shot it . I think it will be a good deer gun out west here. I think it'll shoot better when he fine tunes a load but untill then I'm not blown away by it.

6mm Rem

I am not much of a 25/06 kind of guy.....

however, I do have to admit, it escapes me why someone would build a 6/06 when the 25/06 will do the same unless you want to shoot the 55 to 70 grain bullets with it..... then I see a lot of fast throat wear in your barrel's future.....

seafire

I keep hearing stories about the 243 having pressure spikes, but the 100's of 243s I've reloaded have never given me any headache.

That said, I still much perfere working with the 6mm/257 case. I have played with the Roberts for over a decade and have never found fault with it, only the Ruger MKII it was chambered in. Funny thing tho, the heavy barreled 6m/m Ruger isn't in the least finicky about what it's fed.