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Slick marketing of a good cartridge. Not being recoil sensitive, I'll stick with my 7mm WSM which is superior in every department. Loading the 6.5x55 to 55K, it will easily compete with the CM. The CM...Not revolutionary but thoroughly interesting. | |||
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This thread has become pointless, or perhaps it was pointless to start with...As to the creedmore, I don't have one so my experience is pointless it was pointed out, but  I have owned and shot the 260, the 6.5 sweede, and the 6.5/06 both standard and IMp.. Is that not experience suitably for the Creedmore?? I never said a bad word about the Creedmore, I think its a fine low recoiling suitable for deer and even elk when used properly, with proper bullets and at up to 150 yards give or take..and thats exactly what it is..Like all small to medium calibers your limited by range and if you ignore that you will wound elk IMO.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I was at a friends house last week and saw a program on the Outdoor Channel. It was a shooting competition using a variety of positions, but using a rest of various kinds. You had to shoot at a variety of ranges (up to 800 yards), but you were timed, so shooting fast was a factor. The rifles used were custom rifles but looked like bolt action, AR type rifles. Interestingly enough, all the rifles were in 6mm or 6.5mm! Not hunting I know, but hits on steel targets ("8") at 800 yards were quite common, so the guys knew they trajectories, and the accuracy of their rigs out to that range. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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I agree that it is a slick cartridge. As far as the marketing goes, it actually took a few years for it catch on. I’m not a long range target or big game shooter, so I’ll likely not bother to ever get one. The several older and less efficient I play with still work for me for the kind of shooting/hunting I would do with the Creedmoor. I don’t understand the hate, though. Seems to me like any rational person would have to see how very good a round it is, and it’s positive attributes are helping a lot of new hunters and shooters enjoy hunting and shooting. I have an irrational dislike for the 243 because of how it supplanted the 257 Roberts. However, I see the 243’s undeniable positives, and won’t try to steer anyone away from it. Folks get uptight about the dumbest things. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I agree Matt. In a world full of things worth being troubled about, digging in on a popular new(er) rifle cartridge is a waste of time. | |||
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I had no idea when I started this thread that it would cover 4 pages and over 8000 views. This is obviously hot topic. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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So can you make 6.5 Creedmore cases from .243 brass if so what steps are required?? My grandson has Creedmore and I have a lot of 243 brass..Might make him a handsome present.. I looked at a nice little wood stocked satin Stainless steel metal creedmore that was pretty fetching and can't get it out of my mind!! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Well MD, you have to realize that much of the commentary was about: bring back the good ol' 243 what about the good ol' 257R etc. etc. rather than actual experience with the cartridge. I had a Sako heavy barrel in 243 that I could never get to shoot. I had a Remington 700 in 6.5x55. Same result. I had a 257R. Can't remember the make. Ditto. In my case, I bought a factory gun for $299 that shoots factory ammo into sub MOA groups! That's Ok with me! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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I've read all 4 pages of this diatribe. It's gotten pretty windy....  By the way, it's "CREEDMOOR" ! Not Creedmore or Creedmor Maybe put a postem on your screen for future use.... Elk, it's what's for dinner..  | |||
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I dearly love the 6.5x55. I first taught my wife how to shoot with an M38 Swedish Mauser. The 257 Roberts and 7x57 are dear to me as well. All three can be very finicky, and often require judicious hand loading to get the most out of them. I, personally, don’t mind that, and find it fun. The 6.5 Creedmoor was designed, from the ground up, taking into consideration what we learned over the past 115 years (1893-2008) between the two. I’m sure there are some finicky 6.5 Creedmoor rifles out there, but much fewer and far between than any of the early Mauser rounds. If I were a new shooter/hunter the 6.5 CM would be a no brainer, just like the 308 and ‘06 are. It may not yet have a storied history or soul, but it works just as intended. Get over it, already! BTW: I have never owned a 6.5 creedmoor, and may never own one. Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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Not to flagellate the deceased equine, but the BC (G1) of a 175gr. 308 bullet is around .5, while the BC of a 140 gr 6.5 bullet is around .6. I believe that the velocity of the 140 gr. 6.5 Cm round is greater than the 175gr. 308 round as well. Not that it matters! I am thinking of getting an AR10 built in .308, but now I might seriously consider one in 6.5 Cm! Peter Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Peter, Recoil will be considerably less with the Creed too, making it that much more user friendly.... Elk, it's what's for dinner.. | |||
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To start with steel targets don't bleed, and they are shot at given ranges, not off hand or over a rock at unknow distances in various windy canyons. therefore like much of this conversation, it holds no water!.  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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BTW, I think the creedmoor would make a good coyote gun in that windy Owyhee desert of Idaho that blows the 22.s off target on a mid to bad day..I shoot my 6x45, but the 6.5 is long and stable would hold up better across those sage brush flats..MIght give the Creedmoor a try.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Here is my AR-10 companion.  | |||
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Richj' That dog'll hunt! Nice setup! I've killed two big cow elk with the 129 IL's and several big blacktails...good choice whether factory or by hand. Elk, it's what's for dinner.. | |||
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When I was a little boy, my uncles would sit around drinking beer, then someone mentioned what a POS a Chevy was..Yeah..Ford vs Chevy...darn near came to fisticuffs! | |||
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Yep, folks arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind..." Hosea 8:7 | |||
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You just summed up why I am not a fan of the 6.5 Needmore. Way too many koolaid drinkers think it is a long range elk cartridge, and that is a bad thing. It is an adequate cartridge for small to medium sized elk at reasonable ranges and nothing more. I love the 6.5 caliber, but I’ll stick with the .264WM, it’s significantly ‘more’ when it comes to that caliber. Still, the .264 is not a long range elk cartridge, especially when talking big, old bulls of 900+ lbs. If it isn’t, a Needmore sure as hell isn’t. The thing is like most about the 6.5 Needmore is the resurgence of interest it created in that caliber, and the resulting wealth of good .264 bullet choices we now have as a result. | |||
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