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How'd you know I was talking about you? Tell us about your load development and ballistic results with the Creedmoors you've owned. I can't wait for this..... | |||
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Because you and I have been talking to each other for three pages. I am also the only one you referred to earlier as a CDS. I am not mad about it. Take care. | |||
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First off let me say that I agree with LHeym500 in that the 6.5 Creedmoor is not magic. Just as with any cartridge is a complicated mixture of compromises that hinder it in some areas while allowing it to shine in others.....
This is incorrect. The 6.5 Creedmoor handles long, heavy for caliber bullets better than the 260 Rem. This allows it to retain more energy at longer ranges.
This is incorrect. The 260 Rem was marketed as a hunting cartridge for deer sized game. It's twist is suited for hunting bullets that cover this range of game. It was not intended for "VDL bullets". Over stabilized bullets are said to be less accurate, which is probably why Remington went with the 1 in 9 twist for the short 120 and 140 grain bullets it offered.
I guess what you are saying is that the 6.5 Creedmoor should be marketed honestly just like the 260 Remington was? Let's be honest, the 260 Remington was marketed as a deer hunting cartridge for sissies and eccentric old men. -I say this in jest(sort of), but that was how the gun writers pushed the 260: "My wife is loves the low recoil and I have been amazed at how well it has worked for her....", "It is a far better cartridge for young hunters than the 243..." That is a hell of a stigma to place on a new cartridge. How well did that work out? We know how it worked out: most folks bought a 270 or 30/06... And the great 260 was left to die a slow death. Honestly there is a lot to love in the milder cartridges(257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x55, 260 Rem, 7mm-08, 7x57). I have never fallen for short action cartridges but my daughter's 257 Roberts made me open my eyes to the possibilities of a mild cartridge in a short action, light weight rifle. So much so that I ran out and purchased a five pound 7mm-08 after I used her rifle to kill two caribou with one shot a piece at just under 300 yards. The Creedmoor offers nothing over the 260 as a hunting cartridge at normal hunting ranges. Nothing.... But it does have the acclaim of being "optimized for heavy for caliber VDL bullets that allow heavily muscled, bearded men to make hits at ultra long ranges". And lets be honest, that makes it a lot easier for the average guy to buy and used than "The 260 Remington: great cartridge for women and young boys(and recoil shy men....)" Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Good posts JBrown. I agree with you. You have to remember that LHeym offered up opinions and criticisms of a product he has never used and has no experience with. He's only read about it. The 30* shoulder of the Creed helps make it one of the least finicky cartridges in production. A very wide variety of bullets and powders can be combined to make very accurate loads without much fuss. | |||
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Bottom line is the Creedmoor is magic based only on a high dollar advertisement campaign, not new to the gun world, Happens everytime, sooner or later the caliber dies or meets with success..I think the Creedmoor will become a mainstay in that they killed off the250-3000 some years ago, and folks just didn't realize what they had done!  It is a good varmint and deer hunting caliber and not a mistake to own one an love it, it balistics are deer medicine..I prefer the 250-3000 to the Creedmoor, but for no other reason than loyality.  All in all its just another nice caliber, nothing more or less, nothing magic about any caliber, they is what they is!! and most of all it doesn't kill at both ends.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The Creedmoor needs no advertisement. The long range crowd took to it because it had merit and the hunting crowd has followed suit. There are somewhere around 25+ different loadings offered. Ammo can be bought almost anywhere. It doesn't suffer from slow twist rates that Remington gave the 260. It's home grown accuracy with components easy to get and it's easy to load for. Properly barreled and loaded the 260 and 6.5x55 can do well but if you want to purchase a decent accurate rifle at a modest price that you don't have to move heaven and earth to get to shoot and do it with factory ammo; get a Creedmoor. Comparing a 270 to a 6.5 Creedmoor is bogus at best. You're comparing a case that holds 60+grains of powder to one that holds 43+. I love my 270's and 30-06's but there's still a lot of praise for the Creedmoor. I shot mine to 1200 yards a few weeks back and I'll go back and shoot it further next trim if I have time. I don't think I'd want to try game at that distance but hitting a 10" steel plate at 1100 yards is, well just fun. | |||
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I opened this because I fitted a 6.5 CM barrel to a n FN mauser this afternoon; a Douglas, 8 inch twist, in my Rigby contour. Guess what it was before; 260. Guy wanted a 6.5. Yes they are magic. They work as advertised, unlike some others. Anyway, people like them; they work. Ok, it is new; so what? I do not know what a CDS is. Referenced above. Chronic Detail Syndrome? | |||
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Creedmore Derangement Syndrome. | |||
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I'm betting you have as much experience with the 6.5CM as LHeym does Ray. None. | |||
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Like I said, I do not own a Creedmore. I will not own a creedmore. I own a 6.5 x55 Swede which is the same size engine. On the other side, I have a 7mm/08 that I shoot below 6.5 Creedmore ballistics. The 7mm/08 load is a 140 grain bullet at 2770 FPS. The ballistics, the math, the deer does not care what the cartilage looks like. Neither of these 3 are 600 yard lasers which is how the Creedmore is marketed and why I hate its hype. It is a fine deer cartridge that can be pushed on elk best used 250 and in for elk, just like so many others of its class. | |||
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Oh my! I just realized I sound like the 375 HH Folks who hate the 375 Ruger. I will say I do not hate the Creedmore. I just do not like its push as more than. | |||
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I can accept the fact that you have no use for it. It's everyone's choice to make. Once again though, you have zero experience, but continue to offer baseless (what you read somewhere) opinions on a product you've never held in your hands, used, shot, etc. I have an acquaintance in NE MT that is a gov't animal control guy. He kills stuff everyday. He'd tell you your full of crap with your 6.5CM/elk analysis, and most everything else you've said about it quite frankly. Keep guessing though, it's quite entertaining. | |||
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Something else will come along tomorrow. Rifles are becoming like Bows, cell phones and computers a new whiz bang every year. I bet if 1/2 the folks just spent the time getting to know the firearm they have they would be happy. What happen to the 280AI? All the rage 5-6 years ago. I can tailor most my rifles with handloads to shoot 1/2"groups at 100. Good enough to hit a target at 400 yds. If I can hold my gun steady enough. It is not the gun, it is more than likely me being the variable. Beyond that I may need a 13 pound rifle with a very good rest on a calm cool day. | |||
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Sir, pointing out the ballistics of the cartidge is not baseless. What about the 6.5 Creedmore’s tragetory have I said that is false. I wonder if he would shoot elk at the distance of over 300 yards with a 6.5 Sweade or 260 Remington. He skill level would allow it, but what one expert does, does not change the fact it is not a 600 yard elk rifle. Ballistics is math, cartridge design is all about combustion space, the Creedmore has no more range than anything else (no more than the 6.5 Sweade and 260 Remington)and less than a 270 Win. We are just saying the same thing over and over again. Have a good and safe hunting season. There is no guess as to how flat any cartridge shoots or how much energy it has at a given range. | |||
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Really! Well I guess you haven’t read this article: https://gundigest.com/author/elwood-shelton According to the author the Creedmoor shoots “as flat as a midwestern prairie” or some such bullshit.... I mean really, the Creedmoor is great, it is an outstanding long range target cartridge, and it is a great hunting cartridge in the “mild” category. But let’s get real, it’s not a laser. There are tons of cartridge that shoot much flatter. And even the cartridges that are in the same class(260, 6.5x55, 6.5x284) will match or better the Creedmoor at hunting distances. But if you guys read the article that I linked above you will see exactly the hype that LHeym500 is talking about. I mean seriously, the author shows charts that show that the Creedmoor is not magic, and then in the next paragraph he tells you about the “magic” of the creedmoor. The author goes on and on talking about how the Creedmoor matches its competitors while burning less powder(which makes it so much easier on barrels, so much cheaper to shoot and so much less recoil) and then shows charts that show that it doesn’t even quite match its competition.  It’s a great cartridge(I can see myself owning one someday)but does it need this much BS? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I will own one when and if I find a used one at a decent price on the free market. The ones I have shot have been easy shooting firearms | |||
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I have most all the 6.5's: 6.5 Swede, 6.5x54 Manlicher, 6.5 Japanese, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 Grendel, and the 260 Remington. First up the 260 Rem. Most I've seen in factory cartridges are throated short for the 120 grain bullet. It's very true that the 6.5 Creedmoor won't do more then the 260 aside from the fact it has a faster twist and is throated for the longer bullets. One poster said he has the 6.5 Swede and it's the same engine as the 6.5 Creedmoor. Let's talk engines. Let's take two Chevy small block engines in the 327 cubic inch bracket. One is plain Jane stock. The other has bigger valves, bigger intake ports, it's also ported and polished, high compression pistons, big cam, big carb, and headers. Which one is going to race better? Well the 6.5 Creedmoor is like that racing engine. It's a shorter stockier case then the 308 case the 260 Rem or 6.5 Swede is on, and that has proven well in performance, it has a better shoulder angle, and that has been proven better preformance....in other words these enhancement burn the powder more efficient. With that shoulder, and longer necks on some similar cases, keep the powder burning in the case not the throat and bore. In addition the Creedmoor is operating at a slightly higher pressure. I'm not toting it as the wonder 6.5. In fact I had the 260 Rem first and always said if you throat it out, change the twist, and pump up the pressure it's right there or past the Creedmoor. The 6.5 Creedmoor also has a little brother...the 6mm Creedmoor. A statement was made the 260 Rem is better for deer hunting then the 243. I grew up with a 243. I've seen a LOT of deer taken with the 243 and it's no slouch for that job. I'd say comparing the 243 and 260 is like comparing the 30-30 and the 32 Win Special. Not much difference. A milder recoiling caliber/rifle does not necessarily make it a woman's or youngster's rifle ONLY!!! Last but not least over spinning a bullet more than what is needed does not necessarily destroy it's hunting accuracy. We're talking excessive here. | |||
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The best things about the 6.5 creedmoor is the availability of good factory match ammo. I can buy top quality 6.5 match ammo for between $1-1.15 a around. Cheaper than I can buy 308 match ammo. I bought a blaser match barrel in 6.5 - will build my target rig around it in the next few weeks. Mike | |||
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on my compass I went through a semi barrel break in and after a little trigger work and bedding. last four shots from 1st box of Federal non-typical was 3/4". then 1st 3 shots of Hornady American whitetail were .413. so I'm ok with it that's all I've shot it. just wanted to try a creedmoor. So I bought it as a rainy day/back up. I have shot some very expensive rifles that weren't nearly as accurate. No matter where you go or what you do there you are! Yes tis true and tis pity but pity tis, tis true. | |||
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I found the article written by Tom Beckstrand of SOCOM’s adoption of the 6.5 Creedmore. Guns and Ammo 2019 Annual pages 98-108. Page 104: “Testing showed the 260 Remington and 6.5 Creedmore to be identical. There was no measurable difference in trajectory or wind drift.” | |||
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I wasn't going to get in to this... but what the heck, I'm bored... I have a bunch of 6.5 rifles. Low and slow is a Italian 6.5 Carcano. Its not a bad rifle, but unless you want to modify the heck out of it to put a scope mount on it, it is restricted in that sense. I shoot it about as well as I shoot any military iron sight rifle 2-3" at 100. Recoil is pretty benign. Truth be told, I brought it because one of my office partners kept telling me that what Oswald did was impossible. It ain't. Next step up is a 6.5 x 55 Swede mauser. I suspect it is actually a better shooter than the Carcano, but I shoot them both the same, as they are both in unmodified military guise. Recoil is about the same as the carcano, but the rifle is substantially heavier. Next is a Remington 673 in 6.5 Rem Mag. This is actually quite accurate. I can get under 1" with it using 120's. It doesn't seem to do as well with 140's, but that may be me. Its not a true magnum as it has a short barrel, but I would be happy hunting up to elk with it as long as I would get a broadside shot at one. Then is the big/fast one, a Nosler M48 in .26 Nosler. Overbore as hell, fast as hell, impressive on modest sized animals (it treats lots of things like prairie dogs- up to coon.) My particular one isn't all that accurate, I suppose Nosler went and cherry picked the good ones for the gun writers, and they lost a LOT of goodwill from me with the answers I got from them while I was waiting about 2 years to get the damn thing. When I cut it down to .264 WM ballistics, I get right around 1 MOA for 3 shot groups. I know guys with other brands of rifles who state its an accurate round. The factory rounds don't meet up with advertised velocity, and look overpressure on the spent cases to me. I will admit that I have used it for pronghorn hunting, but didn't get a shot. The rifle is a bit heavy and long, but that's reasonable given what it is. The recoil is about what one would expect from a .30-06. The final one is my newest range toy, a SAKO TRG-22 in 6.5 Creedmoor. I haven't shot it a lot yet, but its a shooter. I attribute that to the rifle more than the cartridge, as the TRG's I have shot have all been very accurate. I got the rifle after playing with a friend's 6.5 Creed at the range, banging steel up to 600 yards away. I broke it in with Hornady American Gunner- not exactly match grade ammo, and the final two groups while doing that were both sub .5 MOA (the larger had a flyer that brought it to 0.6" edge to edge, the better was .4" edge to edge, with if my math is right means it should be about a 0.15 center to center group- which is about as good as anything I've ever done. I have a .308 that does that and a .375 H&H that will shoot groups like that occasionally. (I am talking 5 shot groups here...) The pros are obviously the accuracy in this gun, and the ammo was cheap. The cons- a $3K rifle with a $3K Nightforce scope is not exactly budget friendly. The rifle is also a heavy pig at about 17# all up with bipod on it. So, I think I have some experience with the round and the caliber. I am not sold on the innate superiority of the 6.5 bullet or the 6.5 Creedmoor as a cartridge. A .300 Ultra mag outshoots the Nosler both with my examples, and as far as paper ballistics- and that's a pre 64 Win 70... with a lower powered scope on it- a Z5) but it beats you up a bit if you shoot it much... not too much that it caused problems (I used that to shoot my Mountain Nyala as well as 15 other game animals.) As above, I have a .308 AR 10 that is every bit as accurate as the TRG (but its also every bit as much cash in it- a Baer.) The Creedmoor actually recoils more than the Baer given they weigh about the same and the Baer has a muzzle brake on it. The 6.5 Creed handles wind no better than the .308 (but its a 175 SMK worked up match load vs a 140 Hornady HPBT cheapie factory round from what I was shooting and comparing.) The creed has a lot less muzzle blast. If I put a suppressor on it, it probably will be like a .223 as far as recoil. IMO, the Creedmoor is not a superior round, but its execution is superior. I understand Hornady wrote the specs up with a lot less tolerance, and as such, a cheap Creed is a comparible to a higher dollar rifle. The ammo is cheap, the rifles are less expensive if you want to go that route, and you get high value per dollar. If you want to shoot the .260, you can do as well or better than the Creed, if you are willing to spend a lot of money, and get a customized rifle with a long bullet twist, a match type chamber, and usually a fancy custom barrel. The Creedmoor rifles are ready to go as far as a bunch of gunsmith work effectively being pre done, and at no real price to you. Fundamentally, the major part of superior accuracy is matching the barrel characteristics of twist to the desired bullet, and then consistency in rifle and ammo. The Creedmoor is no magic, but it is an affordable way to get into accuracy shooting without knowing a whole lot about rifles before you get there. As an aside, a good friend took a 6.5 creedmoor to Uganda to let his granddaughter hunt with him. He hates the round with a passion now. The reason, of course is that he used Hornady factory ammo with bullets that were not suited to the subject at hand, and had a bunch of blow ups. He doesn't want to believe to a better bullet would have behaved better- he's getting her a new rifle in 7x57, or so I was told... And I've had the same thing with Gunwriters. They were singing the praises of the .26 Nosler. You would have thought it was everything. Hypervelocity, and the Nosler rifles were supposed to be lasers. Same kind of hogwash as the Creedmoor fan club writers, except it does produce better accuracy (due to the tighter tolerances) compared to standard that the average guy can see. I expect that if you hand a fast twist .308 TRG to Joe Average and call it the .30 Wimbledon he will be convinced that it is some sort of magic as well...until he gets the price tag... | |||
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Well I did it too, said I wouldn't. Ran across a nice used Kimber Montana. Really liked the rifle and the dealer made me a better trade offer than I expected on a Sendero .300 mag. that I had not shot in 10 years. I would have traded if it had been a .260, 7-8 or .308 but it happened to be a 6.5 CM. With a VX6 scope it weighs 6lbs. 4 oz. and puts three 129 Accubonds in 3" at 400 yds. I'm trying hard not to like this rifle but I just can't. | |||
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Thanks. Your comments are a lot of help. I have a creedmore, it is seriously accurate and fun to shoot. Not sure about Africa with it yet, but will try with TSX's or similar. Should be good. | |||
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I don't have a dog in this fight but I don't see the Creedmoor as a elk cartridge, at long range!!! That's pure BS..try 200 yards, maybe 250 on a broadside shot, and I might buy off on that..That also applies to my 250-3000 and Ive used it on elk many times along with the 25-35, that's good on elk at 100 yards broadside.. The creedmoor is a nice caliber for sure, but lets cut the koolaide, its a good deer gun and that's about it, from a hunters standpoint. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Well put. Creedmoor sanity at last.  | |||
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Well, I just got my 6.5 back from the gunsmith. Had some work done on it and a new load worked up. I’m now settled on shooting the Barnes 127 grain LRX at 3,230 FPS. Just shot a 3-shot group of 3/8 inch. That should be ‘good enough’. BTW, my 6.5 is a .264 win mag. If I’m shooting a 6.5, I’m shooting one with some horsepower. | |||
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Now THAT'S a cartridge! Tied for my all-time favourite round. | |||
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Mine too. Paired with my .338 Win Mag, those Two are what I carry over 90% of the time. | |||
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The 120gr 6.5mm at 2900 drops 7 inches from 200 to 300 zeroed in at 200. | |||
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I am buying match 6.5 ammo for $20 a box and can probably sell the once fired brass for $7. $13 net I can shoot match quality ammo in a 6.5 creedmoor. I never seen 6.5 Swede in any gun store and rarely see 260 Remington. It’s tough to beat the 6.5 creedmoor and it is the number selling hunting caliber locally. This one will be around for a long time. Mike | |||
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I don't own a Creedmoor so I can't say from first hand experience. I do own a 6.5x55 in a modern action so I can load it to the more modern pressures. It does what I want it to do and it shoots to the same velocities as my nephews creedmoor. Two very good friend both have hunted with the Creedmoor and both have told me the same thing. The Creedmoor is good for deer sized game but it falls short on Elk out past 300yds. My one friend shot his big Bull at just shy of 400yds. He put 5 rounds into the Bull. All rounds were within the kill zone. Ammo used was the Hornady Precision Hunter with the 143gr ELD-X bullet. The bull managed to drop down a steep nasty ravine to make packing him out a miserable experience. My other buddy shot his Bull at slightly more than 300yds he said. Used the same ammo as the other buddy but shot it three times and his friend finished him off with a 300WSM. I'm not sure what his friend was using for ammo. All shots were in the lungs but the Bull wasn't going to go down. The 300WSM dropped him. Both of these friends do not know each other and yet when talking with them they told me the identical thing. Deer is where they will limit the Creedmoor. Both stated they will go back to their 300s for anything larger. If they were to use their Creedmoors again it would be on shots under 300yds and they would also consider using a mono metal or bonded bullet. | |||
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I have to disagree with some of the phrasing and conclusions in this post... 1st) there is about 50 fps between these two cartridges with equivalent bullet weights. That is the difference between a fast barrel and a slow barrel. 2nd) Cartridges aren't designed with a twist rate. They are more designed to push a certain weight bullet at a certain velocity and twist rate is defaulted to based on that. Rifles are barreled with a twist rate. There is no reason Remington couldn't have chosen to barrel at 1:8. 3) With respect to COAL, the 260 and the Creedmor are effectively identical. Three separate reloading manuals show either equal or no consistent pattern of the 6.5 creed being longer. The net is the two cartridges are ballistic twins. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The 6.5 Creedmoor case is shorter than the .260 Rem. The idea is that you can seat heavier bullets out to the lands without invading the powder space in a short action. They are both essentially very close with the .260 having a slight edge because it holds a little more powder. The .260 is better suited to a long action so you can take better advantage of the heavier bullets although it will work in a short action. As for hunting I wouldn't think the 6.5 Creedmoor would be any better than any cartridge with it's ballistics. Using good bullets it will do as well as many others out to where velocity and energy falls off. All cartridges have their place and some are better at doing some things than others. It's a big world and we have a lot more to choose from than we once did. It's up to us to make the best choice for what we're intending to do with it. | |||
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For HUNTING purposes that the majority of us will do, and mostly in our 50 states...... including all the common calibers from the 22 Hornet up to the big 450s.......... and assuming well made modern rifles.... Can anyone think of a particular hunting/shooting requirement that cant be met with the cartridges we already have??? | |||
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Joe, I don't understand your comment that the 260 is "better suited" for a long action when there is only ~50 fps difference between the two cartridges when the cartridges are loaded to 2.8 inches. One can always build a custom rifle however they want, but you would be going to a lot of expense building a custom 260 to maybe pick up ~ 50 fps. Nosler: 260 Rem COAL 140/142 2.8" velocity 2452-2830 6.5 Creed COAL 140/142 2.790-2.805 velocity 2268-2731 Hodgdon: 260 Rem COAL 142 2.78" velocity 2440-2747 6.5 Creed COAL 142 2.78 velocity 2399-2814 260 Rem COAL 147 2.8" velocity 2433-2718 6.5 Creed COAL 147 2.8 velocity 2367-2746 260 Rem COAL 150 2.8" velocity 2421-2697 6.5 Creed COAL 150 2.8 velocity 2419-2713 Barnes: 260 Rem COAL 140 2.8 2474-2852 6.5 Creed COAL 140 2.7 velocity 2392-2800 Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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"$13 net I can shoot match quality ammo in a 6.5 creedmoor. I never seen 6.5 Swede in any gun store and rarely see 260 Remington" It plenty of 6,5*55 match ammo in the stores here mostly Norma and Lapua, thouse match bullets were developed before 6,5cm existed. | |||
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Different countries. There was never 6.5x55 on shelf before 6.5 showed up in the us. If I start reloading I may buy a blaser match barrel In 6.5x47. But creedmoor does everything for me other than it’s Not Something that would be my first choice to hunt with. It is my backup rifle this year for early season. Mike | |||
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Mike, then you haven’t been shopping in the right places. 6.5 Swede ammo is rather commonly seen up here, if you stay out of Wally World. I haven’t seen match ammo except as surplus, but 120, 140, and 160 grain bullets from Federal, Remington, Winchester, and Norma are findable up here at times. It’s not common like some, but most gun stores have it in some common hunting bullet. Here, by options it is: 6.5 Creed 6.5 Grendel .26 Nosler .260 Remington 6.5 Swede .264 win mag 6.5 x 284 6.5 Rem Mag Then 6.5 Carcano And I have seen .264 LBC rarely. It’s really a Grendel by another name, but have seen it. In that order. Swede and .260 can flop back and forth here- depends on how much folks are buying. There seem to be a local enthusiast group for the 6.5 rem mag in my area- I see the ammo pretty often, even though officially it’s nonexistent... I got 200 rounds when I brought mine- haven’t needed to buy any since. I haven’t seen any 6.5 x47 here yet. | |||
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Never seen a 6.5x55 at any place in Florida on the shelf. Same with 9.3x62. https://www.grafs.com/retail/c...egoryId/168/inline/1 It’s also twice the price of 6.5 creedmoor. I shoot 200 rounds of 6.5 creedmoor every month. I would like a Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55. Mike | |||
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Recipe for a Creedmoor. Take a billion dollar add campaign, design a case like no other, duplicate a dozen like cartridges, keeping in mind the 100 gr. bullet like a .243, a 120 gr. bullet like a 257 Robts, a 130 like a 270, 140 like a 280, call it a first, and whatcha got? Bingo a koolaide enema!    Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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