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Marlin Firearms closing, 265 laid off
North Haven plant closing in next 18 months

Updated: Thursday, 25 Mar 2010, 7:41 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 25 Mar 2010, 4:54 PM EDT

North Haven, Conn. (WTNH) - Employees at Marlin Firearms in North Haven just got word late this afternoon that they will be losing their jobs in the next 18 months.

265 people will be losing their jobs. The layoff will begin in May and the plant will be closed by June 2011. The company tells News Channel 8 that they are moving the work out of state.

Employees we spoke with say they feel blindsided.

"We had a meeting at 3:30pm. They gonna phase us out," said one employee who has worked at Marlin for 19 years.

Founded by John Marlin in New Haven in 1870, Marlin Firearms is now headquartered in Madison, North Carolina. In 2007, Marlin was sold to the Remington Arms Company.

The North Haven plant manufactures a variety of rifles.
 
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I hate to say this, but Connecticut is a very expensive state to live in. Personnel costs have got to be higher than in some of the Southern states. Any indication which state they are moving to?
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Wow, I never expected to see something like this. Feel bad for thos eemployee's and there families.

At least Marlin the name isnt going out of business. Remington will keep that name around...If they does le the name go I will be sure to keep my Marlin firearms forever.
 
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I feel for those families. It's a sad thing all-around.


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You can bet the investment firm which owns Remington, Marlin,etc., and numerous other firearm mfg.'s have studied the labor costs, union vs non union, plus the tax burden of a New England state and from a purely economical viewpoint made the choice. Most likely North Carolina for I believe it is a "right to work" state and they may be one of the states that has no sales tax and favorable tax structure overall. It definitely is a blow to the families involved and hope they can all find suitable employment. Job loss is not good for anyone, anywhere.
 
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North Haven, Conn.

The kiss of death to any manufactoring business is an address in the north east. Heavy taxes, massive regulation, silly union contracts ... and now add the silly costs of "cheap medical insurance".

NC is a right to work state but that's all we have going for us. Our state government has been dominatied by Democrats since before the War of Northern Agression and liberals dominate the Dem party so it's no paradise for industry. Sales tax is 7% most places, and high property taxes, and all levels of gov. have plans to raise/hide even more taxes soon, all "for the children" of course. AND a little for their own salaries and bennies and larger staffs and more offices, etc.

My bet would be Marlin relocates to SC, Ala. or Miss. Those states also have Dems in control but theirs aren't as "liberal" (aka "stupid") as ours.
 
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There's a new M-39-A down the street.....Me thinks it's time I glommed onto it!


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OK, did not know NC had such a tax structure. Since it is that way, you are most likely correct they will go even "deeper" in the South.
 
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My guess is that the new workforce making Marlin firearms won't be English speakers. Probably Russian, Turkish or some Asian country. Roll Eyes


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Probably Japan where the Brownings and many of the new Winchesters are made. The quality won't suffer and the prices likely will stay around the same. Rest assured the union bosses won't give a shit...thats for sure. Those assholes just don't get it....companies need to make a profit and they don't need the union mentality that hampers production and raises the cost of doing business. A real shame for those losing their jobs....it won't be easy to find that type of work for that kind of money. The New England states were well noted for zillions of machine shops both small and large.....almost all gone now. Unions and politicians working together.....to destroy an entire trade.
 
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Well, I would hope I am wrong, but I doubt Marlin will be around at all for more than maybe another 3-5 years. Being run by Remington beancounters is no positive omen.


Anyway, I'll bet we can kiss things like "American Walnut" stocks goodbye, and probably not expect ANY lever guns below $1,000 from the new plant.

Crap. I gotta go make an order for one I've been considering for the last couple of months. Got my taxes done today and the wife took the entire refund to go to a world horse championship in Lexington this coming Fall. But, as I didn't have to PAY any more taxes, have a few bits of "mad money" left squirreled away which I can break loose.
 
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If true, that sucks for Marlin and the people that work for them. I bought an XL7 in .30-06 not long ago and am looking forward to some sweet performance.

Come on down to Texas, we'll welcome them and their firearms manufacturing expertise!
 
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sorry to hear that the families will be impacted. Obama KILLED 13,500 jobs in houston 2 months ago with the stroke of a pen.. closing an army truck plany in sealy and is cutting back nasa, which will lay off 9,000 high paying jobs .. plus the 5:1 impat of that.. we are looking at loosing nearly 60K jobs in the houston area...

7% sales tax? and "high" property tax?
8.25 in most areas around houston, and about 2.65mil (0.265%) property tax as an average, and we are CHEAP state to work in.

Most people don't REMEMBER that corporations don't pay the same sales tax you do, nor the same property tax, nor the same income tax. Of course, they also pay 6X for electrics and other utilities.

So, marlin is of the latest to leave the deep left states that tax corporations to DEATH and strip them of the power to run their businesses for a profit.

I turned down a job in conn about 6 years ago, for DOUBLE my pay .. and I could NOT afford a house within 2 hours drive to work.. small states, and old states, tax the HE11 out of you


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BTW, the title should be marlin closes Conn plant


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Does anyone know for sure that they will be moving somewhere else? Or, will they be going out of business, forever?




 
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I probably shouldn't be saying anything because it's not always wise to repeat a rumor.

But........................I heard the Marlin was going to be relocating to the "Carolinas" with Hotsh#t as the chief engineer in charge of production. I know that sounds far off but the rumor mill is occasionally correct.

His selection to be the lead engineer was gathered from his comments on these threads and from them they learned of his credentials. No one that has been thought of for the job has near the number of whitetail kills.... with that number now approaching not just A thousand by MANY THOUSANDS.

His field work in the pressure signs of high velocity rifle loads was also recognized and even considered for a lifetime achievement award but the firearms industry.

His achievements in accuracy work (except for that embarrassing butt shooting episode) have also been noted by several bench rest shooting associations and the investors at Marlin took note of that also.

His secondary assignment in the new plant will be in the area of Human Relations and Marlin's Spokesman for Community Relations and we are all wishing him the best in both of those worthy pursuits.

His work here on these forums speaks for itself.
 
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I probably shouldn't be saying anything because it's not always wise ....
Other than changing "not always" to "never", teenScum got that portion right. rotflmo
 
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Well I need to send back a reciever that has a couple cracks in it. I don't know if I should send it back now or wait.

What do you guys think?

By the way it is a 22 auto with cracks around the stock mounting bolt hole.

I feel sorry for all the out of work people every where.

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Saeed, we should give prizes for posts like TEANCUM's!!!
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BTW, the title should be marlin closes Conn plant


Agree, if they have to move due to costs, and keep the plant in the US and keep quality, I dont think there is anything wrong with their move. Yes, the families will be impacted, but a couple hundred hard working US taxpaying families in another state will benefit.

high tax states have to learn their lessons,,,,, unfortunately, I live in NY and we are among the worst.


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Marlin Being Relocated; Military Brass Not Being Demilled and Taken Off Market
After 140 years, the Marlin plant located in North Haven, Connecticut will be closed by the middle of next year. According to Remington Arms sources, the facility is being decommissioned and the manufacturing relocated to Remington's Ilion, New York facilities, the Marlin lines are not moving offshore.

For the North Haven community, it's an economic hit, impacting not just the 265 Marlin plant workers, but the cottage industries that have sprung up over time to service the Marlin workforce. When Marlin was acquired by Remington in 2008, there were 345 employees in North Haven and another 225 workers at the Marlin facility in Gardner, Massachusetts. Today, only 265 remain, and they've been notified they're not going to be working beyond mid-2011.

For the industry, the news is yet another sign that business as usual is coming to an end. As corporations acquire smaller brands, corporate efficiencies, and economies of scale trump history and community standing. After all, if the brands didn't fit inside a corporate portfolio and meet criteria that include efficiencies, the buy wouldn't make much sense to begin with.

When larger companies acquire smaller ones, consolidation is inevitable.

The process is no different nor more surprising from Remington concerning its family of companies than Smith & Wesson integrating the Thompson/Center operations into its Springfield, Massachusetts headquarters. Stock analysts I've spoken with have made it abundantly clear they'd like S&W stock better if T/C's facilities went away altogether. Fortunately, the analysts don't run companies, they observe them.

If smaller companies were operating efficiently and/or profitably, they would most likely not be candidates for takeover. It is their inherent inefficiencies which make them candidates for acquisition, despite any historical standing. Ultimately, companies exist to make money for owners, whether they be private or public. If a new owner thinks they can change profit-and-loss statements with consolidation, consolidation is inevitable.

For the company founded by John M. Marlin in 1870, it's a change in the kind of ownership lineage that has remained tied to New Haven and Connecticut communities. After acquiring Marlin from its original owner, the Kenna family owned and operated the company for nearly eighty-five years. Remington is the first corporate owner.

At this writing, it seems Marlin, Harrington and Richardson, New England Firearms and L.C. Smith- all Marlin brands -are destined for absorption into Remington's existing manufacturing facilities in Ilion, New York. Such a move would maximize use of that facilities and consolidate manufacturing operations. Consolidation is another efficiency necessary to compete with imported products.

Although it's purely speculation on my part, a consolidation move makes perfect sense if you're demonstrating lean operating abilities as part of some sort of market capitalization move. Bankers and investors are quite fond of consolidated operations, especially if the company happens to represent numerous iconic brands.
 
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Marlin Being Relocated;

When larger companies acquire smaller ones, consolidation is inevitable.

Agreed. Not necessarily good business, but usually what happens.

The process is no different nor more surprising from Remington concerning its family of companies than Smith & Wesson integrating the Thompson/Center operations into its Springfield, Massachusetts headquarters. Stock analysts I've spoken with have made it abundantly clear they'd like S&W stock better if T/C's facilities went away altogether. Fortunately, the analysts don't run companies, they observe them.

To some extent that is true, but not wholly so. Stock analysts' views influence buy, hold, or sell ratings. Those in turn influence stock prices. And stock prices sometimes heavily affect internal corporate strategies. (To some degree, that may depend on how closely senior management compensation and bonuses are tied to stock performance.)

If smaller companies were operating efficiently and/or profitably, they would most likely not be candidates for takeover. It is their inherent inefficiencies which make them candidates for acquisition, despite any historical standing. Ultimately, companies exist to make money for owners, whether they be private or public. If a new owner thinks they can change profit-and-loss statements with consolidation, consolidation is inevitable.

Having worked on corporate acquisition teams, I'd say that is sometimes true, but often not. Other reasons for takeovers, particularly unfriendly takeovers, include the fact that the small company IS efficient and profitable, or that it has a large cash reserve which the a larger, purchasing, corporation wants or needs. Companies which do not have "poison pills" in existance to ward off unfriendly takeovers are prime targets for such action.


For the company founded by John M. Marlin in 1870, it's a change in the kind of ownership lineage that has remained tied to New Haven and Connecticut communities. After acquiring Marlin from its original owner, the Kenna family owned and operated the company for nearly eighty-five years. Remington is the first corporate owner.

And, does that indicate a belief by Remington that it can do a better job of positioning Marlin in the market than Marlin itself did? I sure hope it works better than Remington's brief, torrid, affairs with the Russian gunmakers.

Or is it an indicator that a new generation of Kennas was more interested in grabbing the money and running than tying themselves down to an old-line company which relied on dedicated close attention by the most senior levels of management? Perhaps the purchase was even partially prompted by a desire to eliminate a competitor?


At this writing, it seems Marlin, Harrington and Richardson, New England Firearms and L.C. Smith- all Marlin brands -are destined for absorption into Remington's existing manufacturing facilities in Ilion, New York. Such a move would maximize use of that facilities and consolidate manufacturing operations. Consolidation is another efficiency necessary to compete with imported products.

Although it's purely speculation on my part, a consolidation move makes perfect sense if you're demonstrating lean operating abilities as part of some sort of market capitalization move. Bankers and investors are quite fond of consolidated operations, especially if the company happens to represent numerous iconic brands.


Well, I hope it works out well for Marlin as a division of Remington. Only time will tell.


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special thanks to chris dodd....ct is almost as bad as ny and ca when it comes to anti business regulation. another one gone!
 
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CT is expensive, and anti-gun, they'll move out west and continue to produce, end of story.
 
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Obama KILLED 13,500 jobs in houston 2 months ago with the stroke of a pen.. closing an army truck plany in sealy


Obama had nothing to do with the Sealy job losses. They were underbid by another company, in Illinois I think. Actually an American company. The one in Sealy used to be owned by Stewart and Stevenson but they sold it to a French concern.

Truth be told I hate it that the Sealy jobs are lost BUT.....American money will all stay in the US this way.
 
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Rest assured the union bosses won't give a shit...thats for sure. Those assholes just don't get it....

That's sure true. Big nothing is the "working man's friend" and big unions are BIG business! Those at the top fo a business or a union get their's no matter what their actions do to the guys at the bottom.
 
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Do any of Hotsh#t's friends know if he has started to work yet for Marlin????

Wait a second........................Hotsh#t doesn't have any friends.
 
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